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#1 Axgrinder

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Posted 22 December 2010 - 09:20:09 AM

Well it looks like the developers got their wish! Posted ImageTheir disinterest in supporting the multiplayer aspect of OFF has finally paid off and everyone that worked their asses off to fix what they could and those I used to fly with have all moved on to other Flight Sims.

So to everyone I ever met in the virtual skies of OFF, Salute! I'm done with multiplayerPosted Image. I will still fly OFF offline from time to time though because I still like the game. Posted Image
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#2 von Baur

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Posted 22 December 2010 - 08:00:41 PM

Don't ya just hate it when someone pushes the issue and ruins the surprise?:dntknw:


It started a couple of months ago, wanting to run a full bombing raid on London. I modified the "Gothas Over the Thames" mission to start at an airfield in German occupied Belgium and return there. It has blossomed to include 15 Gothas taking off from three different airfields at night, rendezvousing over a fourth, flying to and bombing different targets in and around London, reforming and returning to the rendvous field together before heading to their original bases. I've done a test flight (5 hours and 15 minutes total flying time, but I was at max power all the way...I'll have to refly at 85% to prevent flight leader separation) and recorded headings for all legs except bombing runs. I've also taken recon photos of the airfield approaches and final approach ip's (it takes alot of work to bring those beasts in but it can be done easily with the right information). I start a run of 13 days straight off work on Friday and I've already informed my wife that I will be using whatever of it I need to place more targets of a military nature (I'm thinking some shipyards around the mouth of the Thames, a railyard or two inland and maybe even the Sopwith aircraft factory if it was located nearby) and include searchlight and AAA batteries farther out, as well as some recon photos of the targets.

My intent was to arrange everything just as a real mission would have been, from briefing to landing, and seek interest from both the multi-palyer and single-player communities. I expected a decent response from Vasco's Volunteers and I was hoping that a good number of the DiD crew would pick up the gauntlet. I wanted to have everything organized prior to letting the cat out of the bag, but now I feel compelled to make a pre-announcement announcement just to keep people like you from being lost .


There it is...a teaser. I'll toss up a couple of the friendly airfield recon photos this weekend, but I'm a little pressed for time right this instant.
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#3 Axgrinder

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Posted 23 December 2010 - 07:19:48 AM

VB,
You are one of the people I mentioned that work on the game to make it better and are really under appreciated for you efforts. I hope your new mission is a success.
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#4 Winston DoRight

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Posted 25 December 2010 - 10:05:32 PM

There's nobody to blame except ourselves, we all let this fine Brotherhood of exceptional multiplayer pilots die out of our own disinterest. In the summer months many found other things to do and never returned. Vasco got a new job and honestly, I just forgot to check and see if there was ever a game up. After all, very few if any were flying anymore anyway. I know many were lost to RoF, but there's people like me who won't buy it. I just can't support that kind of DRM and money-hungry marketing. Is that a $200 sim yet?

It could all return as easily as it ended, if enough interest were pledged again. I for one am tired of making missions and mini-campaigns and having no one show up to fly them. Maybe Phase 4 will stir up some new interest (if MP works in the new product).

So if anyone wants to revive OFF multiplayer, just add your pledge here. If there's an interest of six players or more, I'll start up a Saturday session again.

If not... well Ax, I'll see you in the WW2 skies of IL-2 with the Boys of 60! Don't miss the New Years Day MP Marathon!


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#5 Axgrinder

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Posted 26 December 2010 - 04:53:17 PM

Winston you definately are persistant! A buddy of mine is ordering OFF as I send you this. He finally got a computer that will handle the game. I will help him get set up once he gets his disks. Heck, you might even see me back on for a while to get him sorted out! I also just ordered Track IR for myself and need an easier game than ROF to learn to fly with it!

I have plans of being on IL2 New Years day for a little bit. Going to a party later in the evening though!

Cheers buddy!
Keep up the good work and the persistance!
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#6 themightysrc

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Posted 28 December 2010 - 03:35:05 PM

I'm more than happy to indulge in MP OFF - it didn't happen this Summer because my wife's mum has been diagnosed with Loius-Body Syndrome and we've been spending what little spare time we have either at the hospital or else visiting my aunt who apparently is in the first throes of terminal pelvic cancer.

I quite understand the frustration of MPers who've gone to all the trouble of setting games up, and I guess I should apologise for not having said anything about my absences. Sorry gents.

It looks like I may well now have more time on my hands, due to being turfed out of a job that I loved, so MP is again more likely, so please keep me posted as to where and when, and I'll do my best to attend.

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#7 Winston DoRight

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Posted 30 December 2010 - 02:04:33 AM

OK Simon. I will count us both in for the return. That makes two. Four more to go!
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#8 Vasco

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Posted 30 December 2010 - 06:43:33 AM

Count me in also.

I'm afraid that when no one turned up for Vasco's Volunteers two weeks on the trot, I gave up and headed off to RoF where a few of the old regulars had migrated. But I'll come back if we get the numbers.

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#9 Winston DoRight

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Posted 30 December 2010 - 12:29:53 PM

Tks Vasco. Three down and three more to go!
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#10 Herr Prop-Wasche

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Posted 30 December 2010 - 01:08:51 PM

Guys, I am interested in MP but I'm afraid I would be unable to participate on a regular enough basis on Sundays. Both of my parents are in a quasi-nursing home facility near my home, and I frequently go over to visit and check-in on them late Sunday mornings for a few hours.

I also prefer to fly using my mods (naturally), but I don't want to force everyone else to also use my mods in order to keep away from game mis-match errors. If necessary, however, I can disable my mods in order to join the rest of the gang.

My largest concern is the scheduling problem. How much flexibility do you have in your flight schedule? Can I join in in the middle of a mission?
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#11 Winston DoRight

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Posted 30 December 2010 - 03:41:22 PM

Herr Prop-Wasche, it would be good to have you in MP. We only use the standard damage model however and this is not flexible. We used yours at one point, but that proved to be a hassle because you were always changing it and we were spending more time sorting out mismatches than we were flying. If we get this going again you're welcome to give it a try if you can return your install to original and put in the required extras (none of which affect single player functioning). We have a slightly modded version we fly but it's pretty easy to get up to our install IF you install, patch and add-on in a certain order. Getting a new player sorted is sometimes a challenge but so far we have an excellent record of success.

You can always join a session or a flight in progress. If we get the requisite number of firm pledges to restart this, I'll again post the install procedure and required downloads for our game.

Edited by Winston DoRight, 30 December 2010 - 03:42:04 PM.

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#12 Herr Prop-Wasche

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Posted 31 December 2010 - 02:20:47 PM

Hee, hee.

Mercifily, I think I am just about finished patching my DM. I'm close to getting burned out over fixing the DM as it is! At most, I may have one more patch, but I don't forsee releasing it any time soon.

I understand about sticking to the standard DM in order to avoid mis-matches, so that is not a problem for me. What I should have mentioned, but forgot, is that I am currently without high-speed internet connectivity. I hope to remedy this within a few weeks, but I am probably excluded from on-line play until then. In the meantime, I'll keep abreast of your plans for MP on the forum.
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#13 von Baur

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Posted 31 December 2010 - 05:52:12 PM

Update to Gotha mission:

I was hoping to make more progress, but my son leaves for the Army on the 4th and I've spent most of my vacation doing family things. Not complaining, mind you...if I had the week to do over I wouldn't change a thing (well, maybe rousted him out of bed earlier every day...I'd love to see his first week. lol). I've added two large ports with adjacent railyards as targets. One is northeast of Shoeburyness and the other is on the south shoreline of the peninsula across the River Medway from Sheerness (look them up on Yahoo or Google maps). The third set of targets will be the bridges spanning the Thames. Should be fun and significant damage can be inflicted. I've also put a searchlight/AAA battery near each of the rail/port facilities for atmosphere. I've taken reconnaisance photos of the targets as well as the airfields so everyone can be familiar with the areas. We will need someone to host and we'll have to make sure any DiD folks who want to join have all the necessary files.


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#14 Winston DoRight

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Posted 01 January 2011 - 03:10:05 PM

Once we get 6 firm committments to join, I'll post the necessary files and install sequence. There will then be a "test" session to see that everyone can connect before flight day. This is to insure that on flight day we can jump right in to flying and not have to waste time sorting out mismatches when we all just want to fly. Here's hoping we get the turnout for this to happen.
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#15 Burning Beard

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Posted 02 January 2011 - 12:51:20 AM

I will try to make it. Of course, I now have the new DM for the N28 loaded and some other effects. I hope they come out gracefully, lol.

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#16 Herr Prop-Wasche

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Posted 02 January 2011 - 01:47:56 PM

Just so everyone is on the right page...

The DM includes changes to ALL of the aircraft currently available in BHaH and has had several versions. The latest, and recommended version is 2.5, which includes the "pilot never dies" fix.

The FM changes, however, only include changes to the N28 so far, and I have only released two versions of the FM: a beta version sent out to a few posters for testing, and a release version for use by the general public. I am currently testing some FM changes to a few other planes, but no other FM changes have been released yet.

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Posted 03 May 2011 - 06:07:58 PM

Just for the record it's not "our wish" . Microsoft started the problem by turning off their MP servers so now people have to arrange games themselves more, plus we are a very very small team we do not have the hours in the day to revamp MP - our core has always been single player and we have always stated that's where our time is mostly spent. We do appreciate everyone who contributes to OFF in whatever way.

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#18 Winston DoRight

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Posted 04 May 2011 - 08:31:35 AM

Just for the record it's not "our wish" . Microsoft started the problem by turning off their MP servers so now people have to arrange games themselves more, plus we are a very very small team we do not have the hours in the day to revamp MP - our core has always been single player and we have always stated that's where our time is mostly spent. We do appreciate everyone who contributes to OFF in whatever way.


It's not a problem Polovski. We had Phase 3 working quite well at one point and I believe multiplayer has just run it's course. It was a great ride while it lasted and good times were had by all. I asked for 6 firm comittments and I would begin holding sessions again, but got only 4 people interested. Maybe interest will perk up again when Phase 4 is finally released. That's assuming multiplayer issues aren't present on the new release.

I'm still undecided on a Phase 4 purchase as single player doesn't interest me much anymore. I'm flying WW2 in a highly modded version of IL-2 1946 with the Boys of 60. We are looking for a few good men to join us for coop allied missions. Anyone interested?
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#19 themightysrc

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Posted 16 May 2011 - 01:48:16 PM

"It could all return as easily as it ended, if enough interest were pledged again. I for one am tired of making missions and mini-campaigns and having no one show up to fly them. Maybe Phase 4 will stir up some new interest (if MP works in the new product)."

I'm still willing to bump this and encourage people to try MP - it's a riot. And now, to help encourage the little flower of MP to grow, here's a little anecdote - which you may find puzzling or odd - but which I think is apposite and worth telling.

I'm the secretary for local Labour party in my constituency. There: outed myself. Our local council has been run for the last 4 years by the Conservatives - boo, hiss (obviously) - aided and abetted by the Liberal Democrats - again, boo, hiss, etc.

That's the end of the political minefield.

Last September, after the defeat nationally of Labour in the 2010 election, we gained a lot of new members in a ward (electoral voting area for non-Brits) called Ramsbottom, which, in the past had returned Labour councillors. The ward membership aged, died, or gave up bored over a period of years, and the Tories took all the seats in the ward, and, with them and others gained elsewhere, control of the council.

So, I arranged a meeting of the members, new and old, in this ward (and in a pub, naturally!) to see if their moribund branch which hadn't met for probably 3-4-5 years couldn't be kickstarted again. In short order, the meeting went ahead, they elected a chair, secretary and other worthies and reorganised themselves towards Xmas.

Come this year, we had local elections in the borough in May, and needed to win 6 seats to return the council to Labour control.

The newly reformed Ramsbottom branch worked their collective bollocks off to get their candidate elected, and, after all the votes in the wards were declared, the fate of the council came down to the result in Ramsbottom, which the Tories had held comfortably in 2010. In 2011, the result was a tie - 1822 votes for the Tory and Labour candidates.

The result was then determined by the drawing of straws, and the Labour candidate drew the long straw, thereby gaining the seat and ensuring that the Labour party would be the majority - ruling - party in council.

For the want of a nail, etc.

What did I draw from this event?

It's only the efforts of dedicated people - usually in small numbers - that change the world.
If you keep trying, you can make a difference.
Even if you think you don't stand a chance - do it: you might be very surprised (Joanne the new councillor, certainly was!).
Hard work is usually rewarded, and was in this case.

I pledge myself to fly in MP: my poor old mother in law died the day of the election in Ramsbottom (and nationally), which is quite ironic in a way, so I've more free time. If you fly OFF solo and have free time on a Sunday, you should seriously consider it, and pledge here too.

Cheers,
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PS - if you go to Youtube and type in 'ramsbottom election 2011' the top hit is the historic drawing of straws, as mentioned above. And I think I'm on that vid somewhere too!

#20 Herr Prop-Wasche

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Posted 17 May 2011 - 04:15:00 PM

Congratulations that all your hard work paid off! My condolences for your mother-in-law.

I too, make a pledge to support MP. Although Sunday's are a little difficult for me at times, I think I can swing it! I still have the equipment--mic, earphones, etc.
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