loadout behaviour

[UllyB 1,204]

I ran into a problem with loadout for planes. The loadout.ini file works, the preloads appear correctly for each type a mission, BUT...and that I discovered it completely by accident, for instance, for anti-ship preload, I get...the preload for armed-recon ! And I don't know why or what I am doing wrong here. I checked then for all other planes I've got and for some this thing works correctly, but for others it's the same problem. What am I doing wrong and what should I check and I missed ?

[UllyB 1,204]

I want to correct an error: the SEAD preload is the same for antiship.

[UllyB 1,204]

No one knows ? No one encountered that ever ?

[UllyB 1,204]

After a week searching and exploring I discovered, I think, the reason. I guess that the aircraft models have already fixed what kind of role it has (CAS, Antiship etc). Having in aircraft folder a loadout.ini file, I guess it means that it overrides any other settings, if there areany  in the CAT file concerning the loadout.ini so, through elimination I think that I found the reason why I get for antiship or any other role that is not supposed to be for that aircraft, the CAS settings etc. Can anyone confirm that or I am wrong ?

[Wrench 9,460]

or not supported on that TERRAIN

usually, defaults to the RECON loadout

[UllyB 1,204]

Thank you for the help. So that means that a specific file into terrain CAT file has those settings (what loadout is allowed and what is not) ? Is it hardcoded or can be modified ?

[Wrench 9,460]

no, the files are specific to each terrain.

if there's no shipping routes, you can't load anti-shipping weapons (or use the A-S loadout specs), as there's nothing to drop it on.

 

to be blunt, you really aren't giving us much of anything to go on to assist you.

We'd need all the information .. what plane, what year, what terrain, etc and so forth. Otherwise, we're just guessing.

[UllyB 1,204]

alright,alright...If presence of a see is request, that condition is fullfilled, cause I play in WOI. I just play missions in WOI, where there is see and should be virtual ship targets random generated, of course. The type of plane shouldn't matter (with a few obvious exceptions, of course, I won't be making a loadout for transport planes, for instance etc, I am talking about usually multirole fighters here), should it ? They are add on-ed planes, all kind of (F5s, F4s, Ja-37 etc). I noticed that if I add antiship loadout to one which INITIALLY didn't have that in dataini.file declared, when I when I enter the game and look to loadouts, they look like the recon one as you pointed out. So, bottom line, following your logic, it shouldn't be problems here (there is a sea in this map and plenty of virtual ship targets), BUT there are. So it means , that this is not it, it has to be the terrain restrictions or something else. That's why I asked if there is a setting which it can be modified. Long story short, if you wanna test what I said, and that won't work on WOI map , try the F4-E Iran add-on plane (it's just one made) and you will see that if you add/declare in its datini file that can make antiship missions and you specifiy its load in loadout.ini, when entering game , it will show the recon load no matter what. I hope I gave you as much info I could think of.

 

PS- all other add -on multirole fighters I tested so far (except the F-4e Iran) which have declared in their dataini file that can make antiship missions, are working (antiship loadouts appear correct in the loading window)

Edited July 16, 2016 by UllyB

[Wrench 9,460]

you're talking to THE terrain guru, one of the loadout gurus, so this is all old news. 

 

when adding a loadout, one must also add the mission type tasking to the data ini, does one not? :). Make sure the aircraft carries BOTH. 

 

btw, are you forgetting that even in 1stGen WoI, the IsrealME map has limited nations = TRUE on it??? If it ain't Arab or Israeli (as defined by the "local" map) additional nations may not work, or work properly. You'll have to check the decelrations in the IsrealME_Nations.ini. Even in single missions

[UllyB 1,204]

The mission type (antiship) was there added to the plane data.ini, of course, I learned that long ago. You are right, that was the kind of thing I was searching for, the IsraelME (I checked few minutes ago, when you told me about it) hasn't Iran in the list. So that was the limitation...Anyway it's strange, cause everything else , except Antiship works well, as loadout, but as you mentioned , maybe they won't work correctly. Thank for clearing this up for me. It really was bugging me not finding out.

 

PS - I know who you are. Ten years ago I took notes from your wisdom & work and learned many things along the way and I also thank you for that. You have my deeply respect Sir.