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#1 Stephen1918

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Posted 14 March 2017 - 04:39:53 PM

In another thread, Whiteknight06604 suggested an "eye-candy" observer carrying a gun. I uploaded some today. I made the skins using the stock FE pilot skins, so their uniforms should match. I also made versions with helmets to go with the helmeted pilots I made before.

 

We don't have many unarmed planes, but I enjoy flying an unarmed recon mission occasionally. Dodging and weaving your way back to base must have been something a lot of pilots did in the early years of the war.

 

My thanks to Whiteknight for making the suggestion and for beta-testing the observers.

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Posted 14 March 2017 - 05:56:34 PM

Very nice, Stephen1918 - thank you!  For your interest, below are two shots of an unarmed Bleriot (replica) with a pair of fuselage attachment brackets for securing a rifle so the observer doesn't have to maintain "Port Arms" during the duration of a flight!

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Posted 14 March 2017 - 07:45:52 PM

ahhh sweeeet.....it would be nice to be able to get the obs to fire single pot shots , or another nice touch would be the ability to fire a Verey flare , a pipe dream I know, but still......one can dweam ......maybe one day if we get this all ported over onto SF's engine it could happen......yeah yeah....I know....I'm a delusional loonie  hahahaha  :fool:  :fool:  :fool:


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Posted 15 March 2017 - 03:22:10 AM

Ok, now we need definitely an Etrich Taube or a Bleriot XI 'Militaire'

 

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Posted 15 March 2017 - 08:52:30 AM

For sure we do !! we have needed these early types for a long time now, along with more 2 seater Albatri variants and numerous other 2 seater scouts, think most of the Fighters have been covered now, except for some really obscure ones, a S.I.A 7B for the Italian front would be nice along with a pomilio and SAML oh and some 2 seater Spads and a Vimy and a ...........the list goes on eh !! 


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Posted 15 March 2017 - 09:58:37 AM

Yes!!

 

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Posted 15 March 2017 - 02:23:02 PM

ahhh sweeeet.....it would be nice to be able to get the obs to fire single pot shots , or another nice touch would be the ability to fire a Verey flare , a pipe dream I know, but still......one can dweam ......maybe one day if we get this all ported over onto SF's engine it could happen......yeah yeah....I know....I'm a delusional loonie  hahahaha  :fool:  :fool:  :fool:

I did it fast and dirty. obviously the armed observer is not animated but it's pretty simple to copy over the data from another aircraft. just copy over the gunner and rear seat(or what ever most matches the field of fire) gun data. then swap the machine gun stated for a rifle. I've added a dummy gun firing forward too so the aircraft can be ordered to fight air to air. it adds a tiny bit of risk when you attack a so called unarmed aircraft.A flare might be simulated by a gun with a large/bright tracer effect and a slow velocity?


here is my test MSTypeLAO. it's just a hack and slash job and nothing is an original idea of mine but just some cut and paste ideas from others far smarter than me. it might give people an idea how to get their observers to fire at enemies though . this is set up for FE2 as thats all I have installed at this time.

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Posted 15 March 2017 - 03:41:19 PM

ahhh see, these clever and wise persons, I a mere humble skinner, awed by the majiks and pokery being jiggered.......makes my heart swell, there is life in the sim yet methunks !! I still do seriously have this mad notion about porting the whole thing over to the SF engine though, I am sure it could be done, true it would not be an overnight job, but I feel sure with all you mystics and number crunching  ( not to mention 3DS Max wielding ) clever chappies, and with humble input from the likes of a humble and lowly skinners such as yours truly, it could be.......just imagine, the ability to have skins in JPG format, and not in mere BMP....I have as you may or may not have seen, done some of the FE aircraft to work in SF....and they are a thing of beeeeuuuteeee .......So my fellow Knight, ( I am a knight of St John ) I am so looking forward to playing with your " hack and slash " along with Stephens rifle totin' observers.....and look forward to seeing more of the same, maybe if Mr Geezer would do us some of his rather nice pilots, but as gunners/observers, and with the hard hat helmets too....in the meantime, I must do my next set of skins, hopefully coming to a site near you !! 


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Posted 15 March 2017 - 10:15:41 PM

For sure we do !! we have needed these early types for a long time now, ... some 2 seater Spads ...

 

I  made two 2 seater SPADs a little more than a year ago. They're available in the download area.


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Posted 16 March 2017 - 06:12:22 AM

I  made two 2 seater SPADs a little more than a year ago. They're available in the download area.

Yes, and they are very nice

Too bad we don't have a good mission editor !



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Posted 16 March 2017 - 06:23:32 AM

Yes sorry, I have them mate, I was just pulling aircraft names out of thin air, forgot we already had Spad 2 seaters, however an Albatros C XII would be nice, as would some of the Italian 2 seaters, maybe a couple of the French heavies such as the Letord or Caudron RII I so wish I had the capability to do some myself, but that is beyond my miserable capabilities unfortunately.


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Posted 16 March 2017 - 06:26:48 AM

Yes sorry, I have them mate, I was just pulling aircraft names out of thin air, forgot we already had Spad 2 seaters, however an Albatros C XII would be nice, as would some of the Italian 2 seaters, maybe a couple of the French heavies such as the Letord or Caudron RII I so wish I had the capability to do some myself, but that is beyond my miserable capabilities unfortunately.

Caudron G6/R4/R11 or Letord would be a lot of fun :)

 

I've read an account of a recon mission performed by 3 Caudrons R11 (2 escorts) against 6 German scouts : could really be fun to fly !!!!


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Posted 16 March 2017 - 06:35:22 AM

 maybe if Mr Geezer would do us some of his rather nice pilots, but as gunners/observers, and with the hard hat helmets too

 

Dunno if that is practical as gunners are often part of the aircraft LOD.  Maybe Stephen1918 has some ideas?



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Posted 16 March 2017 - 11:04:19 AM

I just like what you did with the pilots, they look more realistic, facially especially, I know its only Aesthetics, I have tried all sorts of different ways to make the gunners look a little more realistic, but I just dont have the skillset needed to do it, you know what I mean about the gunners though yes ? most of them look weird and , well, just not right. 


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Posted 16 March 2017 - 05:35:18 PM

Caudron G6/R4/R11 or Letord would be a lot of fun :)

 

I've read an account of a recon mission performed by 3 Caudrons R11 (2 escorts) against 6 German scouts : could really be fun to fly !!!!

apparently the Letord was built in 7 versions, including one being a heavy escort fighter , presumably to escort the Letord recce and bomber types, it seems it was common practice to have bombers escorted by similar aircraft, on the allied side, so I assume that the Caudrons were much the same, both of these aircraft are pleasing to the eye, compared to German, British and Italian heavies.......with the exception maybe of the 0/100 - 400 


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Posted 16 March 2017 - 08:05:34 PM

 they look more realistic, facially especially,

 

Faces?  They have faces?  :biggrin:

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Posted 17 March 2017 - 04:21:07 AM

hehehehehe well the in game ones do for the most part, except for the RFC pilot you did, or at least a pilot I use as RFC , he has what appears to be a Sidcot flying suit, and a scarf.....I cant imagine how the poor Gunners actually operated the gun, standing up in the slipstream and being freezing bloody cold, must have been awful, I have flown in open cockpit on a few occasions, and that was in the summer and at a relativley low altitude, and it was still rather chilly.


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Posted 17 March 2017 - 07:27:59 AM

apparently the Letord was built in 7 versions, including one being a heavy escort fighter , presumably to escort the Letord recce and bomber types, it seems it was common practice to have bombers escorted by similar aircraft, on the allied side, so I assume that the Caudrons were much the same, both of these aircraft are pleasing to the eye, 

Caudron G6, Letord and Caudron R4 were mainly reconnaissance and artillery spotting aircraft.

The G6 was not very fit for air combat but the R4 and Letord were maneuvrable enough to provide cover.

 

Only the R11 was designed with good escort capacities (including armored pilot seat, which was noticed by goering among others)

 

Among the French, it was common practice to fly recon and arty spotting missions with at least 2 planes :

One was performing the mission, the other acted as a spare and was protecting the first one.

Aces like Fonck scored their first skills this way.

 

As a side note, there is no record of those planes performing a bombing mission and it is very unlikely.


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Posted 17 March 2017 - 07:39:44 AM

Thats some new info I didnt have on these aircraft, thank you, I am fascinated by the First War and the emergence of air power, the leaps an bounds gained in the field of aviation was fabulous, even if the raison de etre was rather sad, I think the Golden age of aviation, which lasted until the 1960's is marvellous. I'm afraid I find the new wave of aircraft and their capabilities, somewhat bland and rather boring, yes they are technilogical marvels, and super efficient, but they just do not seem to have the magic of early aviation.


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Posted 17 March 2017 - 07:44:02 AM

 

As a side note, there is no record of those planes performing a bombing mission and it is very unlikely.

 

Agreed.  French Aircraft of the First World War describes how the Letords were used almost exclusively for escort work.  Typically, one or two would be assigned to a recon squadron to provide protection to the recon aircraft.  Up to half a dozen Letords would be assigned to a Brequet or Salmson bomber squadron for escort duties.  Having the escort machines integral to the bomber and recon units avoided the problem of escort fighters from other squadrons missing the rendezvous.






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