Flaming Talon

[Sparkchaser2010 24]

Hey Zur, not sure if you have tried this regarding the overheating engine issue but the "pulse jet" could be modeled as multiple engines in the arrangement of the pulse jets on the Talon. I haven't looked at your latest creation yet but this would drop the max thrust on each engine but still keep the overall value intact. If this has already been tried then disregard

[+Zurawski 33]

Hey Zur, not sure if you have tried this regarding the overheating engine issue but the "pulse jet" could be modeled as multiple engines in the arrangement of the pulse jets on the Talon. I haven't looked at your latest creation yet but this would drop the max thrust on each engine but still keep the overall value intact. If this has already been tried then disregard

 

Tis the way she's done... your disregarded. LOL!

 

Still needs a little temp delta adjustment... I was testing her in level flight... seems dive speeds in excees of Mach 4.0 make her go boom (Why anyone would want to go more than Mach 4 is beyond me)

 

Still... thanks to everyone for the feedback! This kind of shared input make a "so-so" release into a winner IMHO!

[+Zurawski 33]

my reactions.......

 

8) okay.. hud may be useful...(but why circular?)... hope someone does it though, but once its done it would be real nice huh?

 

one last thing....

has anyone done the job of modelling the special Stealth pilot?

that would complete the look.....

 

applause for you hard work on the talon dude!

we salute you!!!

 

Thanks for the Kudos!

 

The Circular HUD idea was a conceptual thing... Figured most HUDs are rectangular... choose a shape that would stand-out/be different - modern.

 

I do intend to do a Stealth Pilot. Not sure if it'll be with the final release or releasd separate/later... all depends on personal time I can commit to the project.

[atoll1 0]

And you've certianly got a winner Zur!!!

 

Glad to know from this forum that I'm not the only one experiencing the talon catching fire. Perhaps some short guideline as to what works best (or what not to do) with the talon is in order?

[+Zurawski 33]

And you've certainly got a winner Zur!!!

 

Glad to know from this forum that I'm not the only one experiencing the talon catching fire. Perhaps some short guideline as to what works best (or what not to do) with the talon is in order?

 

Well... in a nutshell.... don't go faster than Mach 4. Sorry... I had to do it! LOL!

 

Seriously... with the speed this bird can develop in short order, keeping it within manageable performance profile is paramount. Sure you can "go" Mach 4, but the slightest directional input puts you in red/black out... so it's only useful getting from point A to point B. (And running down an home-bound enemy...)

 

I find it's sweet spot is between 400 -to- 500 knots. Superbly maneuverable and steady as a rock. While dogfighting, I like to chop-throttle, horse the nose around (while blacked out), throttle out of this to find myself with massive lead on the plane I'm chasing (Usually a 29 or 27) ... though sometime they reverse while I'm blacked out... and I'm chasing air... so it's not perfect.

Edited March 5, 2007 by Zurawski

[Blind Faith 0]

 

Love the plane... specialy now that I have seen the movie (best $5 spent on a DVD)

 

 

Whenever I will need more Jessica Biel I will rerun it.

 

Thank you for a great plane.

 

[Shin_kazama 0]

Thanks for the Kudos!

 

The Circular HUD idea was a conceptual thing... Figured most HUDs are rectangular... choose a shape that would stand-out/be different - modern.

 

I do intend to do a Stealth Pilot. Not sure if it'll be with the final release or releasd separate/later... all depends on personal time I can commit to the project.

 

 

well the new hud reminds me of my mom's bathroom mirror...

just a joke...

 

AND i have found how to increase internal weapons bay capacity ..

 

// Weapon Stations ---------------------------------------------------------

 

[WeaponsBay1]

SystemType=WEAPON_STATION

StationID=01

StationGroupID=1

NumWeapons=8----------------------------------------------------Change this......

StationType=INTERNAL

AllowedWeaponClass=IRM,AHM,SAHM,SA,BOMB,LGB,EOGB,NUC,EOGR,AWD,LGR

AttachmentType=USN,USAF,NATO

AttachmentPosition001=-0.0,3.73,0.0

AttachmentPosition002=-0.0,3.73,0.0

AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,0.0

DiameterLimit=5.0

LengthLimit=5.0

LoadLimit=2600

BombBayAnimationID=7

BombBayOpenTime=.25

BombBayCloseTime=.25

MovingPylon=TRUE

ModelNodeName=Weapon_Rail01

AutomaticDoors=TRUE

 

[WeaponsBay2]

SystemType=WEAPON_STATION

StationID=02

StationGroupID=2

NumWeapons=8----------------------------------------------------Change this......

StationType=INTERNAL

AllowedWeaponClass=IRM,AHM,SAHM,SA,BOMB,LGB,EOGB,NUC,EOGR,AWD,LGR

AttachmentType=NATO,USAF,USN,USMC

AttachmentPosition001=-0.0,3.73,0.0

AttachmentPosition002=-0.0,3.73,0.0

AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,0.0

DiameterLimit=5.0

LengthLimit=5.0

LoadLimit=2600

BombBayAnimationID=8

BombBayOpenTime=.25

BombBayCloseTime=.25

MovingPylon=TRUE

ModelNodeName=Weapon_Rail02

AutomaticDoors=TRUE

 

[WeaponsBay3]

SystemType=WEAPON_STATION

StationID=03

StationGroupID=3

NumWeapons=8----------------------------------------------------Change this......

StationType=INTERNAL

AllowedWeaponClass=IRM,AHM,SAHM,ARM,EOGR,SA,BOMB,LGB,EOGB,NUC,EOGR,AWD,LGR

AttachmentType=NATO,USAF,USN,USMC

AttachmentPosition001=0.0000,-0.50,0.0151

AttachmentPosition002=0.0000,-0.50,0.0151

AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,0.0

DiameterLimit=5.0

LengthLimit=5.0

LoadLimit=2600

BombBayAnimationID=9

BombBayOpenTime=.25

BombBayCloseTime=.25

MovingPylon=TRUE

ModelNodeName=Weapon_Rail03

AutomaticDoors=TRUE

 

 

now it is no longer scary to fight 10 flankers with hard settings with only me and my wingman....

 

enjoy....

 

p.s.

dunno if this would work in the f-23

Edited March 6, 2007 by Shin_kazama

[Shin_kazama 0]

well the new hud reminds me of my mom's bathroom mirror...

just a joke...

 

AND i have found how to increase internal weapons bay capacity ..

 

// Weapon Stations ---------------------------------------------------------

 

[WeaponsBay1]

SystemType=WEAPON_STATION

StationID=01

StationGroupID=1

NumWeapons=8----------------------------------------------------Change this......

StationType=INTERNAL

AllowedWeaponClass=IRM,AHM,SAHM,SA,BOMB,LGB,EOGB,NUC,EOGR,AWD,LGR

AttachmentType=USN,USAF,NATO

AttachmentPosition001=-0.0,3.73,0.0

AttachmentPosition002=-0.0,3.73,0.0

AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,0.0

DiameterLimit=5.0

LengthLimit=5.0

LoadLimit=2600

BombBayAnimationID=7

BombBayOpenTime=.25

BombBayCloseTime=.25

MovingPylon=TRUE

ModelNodeName=Weapon_Rail01

AutomaticDoors=TRUE

 

[WeaponsBay2]

SystemType=WEAPON_STATION

StationID=02

StationGroupID=2

NumWeapons=8----------------------------------------------------Change this......

StationType=INTERNAL

AllowedWeaponClass=IRM,AHM,SAHM,SA,BOMB,LGB,EOGB,NUC,EOGR,AWD,LGR

AttachmentType=NATO,USAF,USN,USMC

AttachmentPosition001=-0.0,3.73,0.0

AttachmentPosition002=-0.0,3.73,0.0

AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,0.0

DiameterLimit=5.0

LengthLimit=5.0

LoadLimit=2600

BombBayAnimationID=8

BombBayOpenTime=.25

BombBayCloseTime=.25

MovingPylon=TRUE

ModelNodeName=Weapon_Rail02

AutomaticDoors=TRUE

 

[WeaponsBay3]

SystemType=WEAPON_STATION

StationID=03

StationGroupID=3

NumWeapons=8----------------------------------------------------Change this......

StationType=INTERNAL

AllowedWeaponClass=IRM,AHM,SAHM,ARM,EOGR,SA,BOMB,LGB,EOGB,NUC,EOGR,AWD,LGR

AttachmentType=NATO,USAF,USN,USMC

AttachmentPosition001=0.0000,-0.50,0.0151

AttachmentPosition002=0.0000,-0.50,0.0151

AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,0.0

DiameterLimit=5.0

LengthLimit=5.0

LoadLimit=2600

BombBayAnimationID=9

BombBayOpenTime=.25

BombBayCloseTime=.25

MovingPylon=TRUE

ModelNodeName=Weapon_Rail03

AutomaticDoors=TRUE

 

 

now it is no longer scary to fight 10 flankers with hard settings with only me and my wingman....

 

enjoy....

 

p.s.

dunno if this would work in the f-23

 

 

and oh....

 

is it possible to build into the talon vtol capbility just like in the movie?

who could design the movie-accurate pilot skin?

 

well that's all i got to ask dude........

 

 

you know if other modders follow the pre releasing style of modding like you do,

 

then most of our virtual pilots would help the modder what he may have missed in the modding process.....

 

i observe that most other modders just relaese the full version mod.......

 

 

 

naaah..

 

just thinking aloud......

 

 

[Skelator56 0]

Well... in a nutshell.... don't go faster than Mach 4. Sorry... I had to do it! LOL!

 

Seriously... with the speed this bird can develop in short order, keeping it within manageable performance profile is paramount. Sure you can "go" Mach 4, but the slightest directional input puts you in red/black out... so it's only useful getting from point A to point B. (And running down an home-bound enemy...)

 

I find it's sweet spot is between 400 -to- 500 knots. Superbly maneuverable and steady as a rock. While dogfighting, I like to chop-throttle, horse the nose around (while blacked out), throttle out of this to find myself with massive lead on the plane I'm chasing (Usually a 29 or 27) ... though sometime they reverse while I'm blacked out... and I'm chasing air... so it's not perfect.

 

Hello Zur,

 

I am a new guy to this site. I've had SFP1 and WoV for about a year now and enjoy the Talon that you have made! As for your stealth pilot, I have a picture of the proposed HMD, flight gear, and seat that the F-35 folks are looking at for their aircraft. I cannot wait to see the final iteration!

 

Check Six

 

Skelator

 

 

[atoll1 0]

Shortest, most sensible guide I've seen LOL.

 

Thanks again for a great plane!

[Wrench 9,460]

Adding that type of helmet to an existing skin might not be too difficult...

the only problem I see is that the late style sage green flight suit 'skin' used on the pilot figure is no longer available.

 

We'd have to create a totally new skin; editing the existing lods in not a problem (I've always used the 3rdW originals), as long as the bmp name stays within the standard naming convention; ie 7 charachters max.

 

I'll add this to my 'gotta look at this' projects.....

 

Wrench

Kevin Stein

[Wrench 9,460]

Ok, so I lied...

Results of a couple hours work:

 

1st iteration, basic helmet/face/suit,etc

 

 

 

More color adjustments and such, a hour or so later....

 

 

got the suit in the 'almost' right gray. The only major problem is that the harness straps (in the movie) are black. I desaturated the torso harness layer, and it's closer. But I think it's pretty good as is.

Might want to draw some more widgets and do-dads on the helmet. (why don't cable play it when I need it!!!???!!!)

 

The face is right off that picture above, so that answers somebody's question from a while back about adding photos to your pilot's face

 

Other than the gee-gaws for the helmet, this lady is ready to fly. (of course, if you want a mans face....and there don't seem to be any boobs here)

 

Whatya think Zur, or anyone? Want it?

 

Wrench

Kevin Stein

 

ps: now I know why Diego said the psd for his HGU pilots ran to 70 megs!! This one's over 3, and not near as detailed!

[Blind Faith 0]

 

love it Wrench... do post it.

 

BF

[+Zurawski 33]

I dig it!

 

All "I" would have to do is slap a man-face on there... I've had my taste of the "other side"... no thank-you.

 

LOL!

Edited March 7, 2007 by Zurawski

[Guest Saganuay82]

I dig it!

 

All "I" would have to do is slap a man-face on there... I've had my taste of the "other side"... no thank-you.

 

LOL!

 

 

LOLOLOL

 

http://uk.geocities.com/hindgunship/jessica_biel_stealth.jpg Come on!!!!!

[Wrench 9,460]

Hell, you WON didn't you????

 

I'll see what I can come up with...

Sag's pic shows exactly what I was trying for;

 

ah....let me rephrase that...

 

the harness type/color I was trying for, anyway. Come to think of it, look at pic 4...is that chest sticking out a little? or am I just giving in to my longings......

 

Wrench

Kevin Stein

[serverandenforcer 33]

If you were ever really interested in making an actual HMD helmet, here's a site to go to... http://www.ausairpower.net/hmd-technology.html

[Wrench 9,460]

Ok, as requested here's a male pilot:

 

 

Bonus points to name the person (and no, it ain't me)

 

How's this one look to ya, Zur??

 

Probably release both the male and female, if no one has any objections?????

 

Wrench

Kevin Stein

[Shin_kazama 0]

Ok, so I lied...

Results of a couple hours work:

 

1st iteration, basic helmet/face/suit,etc

 

 

 

More color adjustments and such, a hour or so later....

 

 

got the suit in the 'almost' right gray. The only major problem is that the harness straps (in the movie) are black. I desaturated the torso harness layer, and it's closer. But I think it's pretty good as is.

Might want to draw some more widgets and do-dads on the helmet. (why don't cable play it when I need it!!!???!!!)

 

The face is right off that picture above, so that answers somebody's question from a while back about adding photos to your pilot's face

 

Other than the gee-gaws for the helmet, this lady is ready to fly. (of course, if you want a mans face....and there don't seem to be any boobs here)

 

Whatya think Zur, or anyone? Want it?

 

Wrench

Kevin Stein

 

ps: now I know why Diego said the psd for his HGU pilots ran to 70 megs!! This one's over 3, and not near as detailed!

 

you still asking that if we want it?

 

dont ask, just post it....

 

nice work done there..

 

can you modd the head so that it has a full face visor?

 

i'd like to stick in my photo there.....

[Shin_kazama 0]

Ok, as requested here's a male pilot:

 

 

Bonus points to name the person (and no, it ain't me)

 

How's this one look to ya, Zur??

 

Probably release both the male and female, if no one has any objections?????

 

Wrench

Kevin Stein

 

 

yupp.....

 

i think itz josh lucas(Ben gannon)....

 

yep i do think it is.....

[+Zurawski 33]

Ok, as requested here's a male pilot:

 

 

Bonus points to name the person (and no, it ain't me)

 

How's this one look to ya, Zur??

 

Probably release both the male and female, if no one has any objections?????

 

Wrench

Kevin Stein

 

Sweet as all-get-up! I'm so glad there's folks like yourself around who have talent...

[+76.IAP-Blackbird 3,545]

Do you have a third version with closed helm? with black glass

[Shin_kazama 0]

Talon_differences.bmp

 

dear zur, some differences found while rerunning tho movie stealth for the umpteenth time...

 

hope you take note...

 

my question is that why does ben gannon's talon have an extended canard?

 

it still baffles me...

Edited March 17, 2007 by Shin_kazama

[+Zurawski 33]

Talon_differences.bmp

 

dear zur, some differences found while rerunning tho movie stealth for the umpteenth time...

 

hope you take note...

 

my question is that why does ben gannon's talon have an extended canard?

 

it still baffles me...

 

As I understand it... All three Talons are "slightly" different. Talon-1 appears to be the pinical of the design, while Talon-2 and -3 are older ones.

[serverandenforcer 33]

As I understand it... All three Talons are "slightly" different. Talon-1 appears to be the pinical of the design, while Talon-2 and -3 are older ones.

 

I noticed some differences too between this model and the movie model other than what Shin_kazama pointed out. But I'm not going to say what they are because, 1.) you've worke really hard on this model as obvious as it is, and 2.) I'm just happy to get a Talon that looks this good. So I say carry on with what you're doing.