Voss Triplane

[ShrikeHawk 384]

I really loved the story of Werner Voss' battle against 7 SE.5s.

So I wanted a skin for his Triplane. Getting those streaks that the Dr.1s

had is something of a challenge. Hope I got it right.

Here's some screenshots:

 

 

 

 

 

Cheers!

 

ShrikeHawk

[gambit168 27]

Hey shrike lookin great , IMPA , i think shes a little to far to the green hue though from the screenies

as his triplane was pre production, it was silvery blue,and the ovlie gave it a lovely light earth colour , with the overall turq grinnin through

as voss's machine had only the lightist app of olive,it didnt have the banding you see on most later finishes, & therefore it was very light tan compared with dr1's you see later on , which ended up very dark greenish brown depending on how dense the ap of olive drab was

 

http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=h...%3Doff%26sa%3DN

 

look in voss's dri , then what colour and then look at the 3 top fabric swatches , on the report at the bottom of the page

 

 

it didnt look like any that went in2 production as far as colour ,engine, tail, elevators, ailerons, went.

lookin good though keep up the good work

m8

cheers

gambit168

[kukulino 1]

ShrikeHawk, I don't know that your Dr.1 skin is historicali right, but it looks very nice. Good work

[ShrikeHawk 384]

Thanks All,

 

Hey Gambit - would you say that the green streaking is correct for other,

later Dr.1s? I plan to use this skin as the template for other skins. Udet

comes to mind right away.

 

I've seen so many variations on Voss' colors, it's hard to get a lockdown on

what it should be. I saw several models of his plane that were almost solid

olive drab with only slight streaking. And then another painted as you say

with a yellow cowling. *sigh*

 

I did see a lengthy debate at another forum about whether Voss had a

yellow cowling or not. From that I decided to go with the green cowling.

But I'm sure the debate may still be going on, hehehe.

 

ShrikeHawk

[Firecage 1]

I thought that the paint from the factory was a blue/green streaked finish with sligh silver tones through out the paint.

 

These pics were what I thought the factory did. I could be wrong but just checking

 

 

 

Let me know what color changes you all think are close

 

Thanks

[ShrikeHawk 384]

Okay - here's another alternative scheme for Voss' Dr.1.

This follows the scheme of other sites/models I have seen.

I'm not completely certain what's correct, but I like the way

this one looks.

 

 

 

Cheers!

 

ShrikeHawk

[gambit168 27]

Hey shrike looks a lot better now,

for me voss's would end up looking like this

 

blueish grey with a dusting of olive drab

 

and is the first 1 good for production dr1's , again i feel it should be leaning toward the brown hue, the green you show is more of an (alb green) than a (fokker drab)

if you look at replicas flying today they r so brown not a hint of green in the streekz

even mine seems 2 green when you look deeper into the hue spectum

 

 

 

but you will get it right , its a feel as much as a look, if it sits well then its good to go

cheers m8

gambit168

[gambit168 27]

I was gonna do a voss dr1 ages ago

but when there was talk of a new dr1 & camel coming soon all work stopped on my dr1's & camel

here is the streak i made for voss, i think this is close to how it would have been

[ShrikeHawk 384]

Well this is just amusing. I did quite a bit "more" digging around to see if I could find

some sort of consensus. There seems to be split between whether the "olive" on voss'

plane has more green or more yellow in it's olive. From the links below, I think it's safe

to say that later production Dr.1s did not have sky blue at all on upper surfaces. Instead,

they had natural beige with olive drab streaking as Gambit says. But earlier production

machines may have had the olive or sky blue.

 

In any event, I found many links with examples of Dr.1s with more greenish olive paint, and

others with more brownish olive paint. And there seems to be no consistency with how

Voss' aircraft is depicted *sigh*

 

One think I think is consistent is that the streaking is far more irregular than I/we have

it so far. The screenshots of mine and other Dr.1s have streaking that's a little too even

and smooth than it should be. I'm not sure if I'll update my 2nd Voss version, but my first

one is intended to be a template for later Dr.1s. So I will update that one with more

irregular streaking and Olive Drab over Beige.

 

Here are the links I found:

 

Lothar Von Richtofen - supports the yellowish olive scheme:

http://ipmsstockholm.org/magazine/2002/08/...profile_dr1.htm

 

A Voss color plate - more green

http://wp.scn.ru/en/ww1/f/416/59/0/31

 

Another with more greenish streaking

http://wp.scn.ru/en/ww1/f/416/59/2/27_b1

 

Udet's Dr.1 showing olive with a strong hint of green

http://wp.scn.ru/en/ww1/f/416/59/3/25

 

A painting with olive drab ( much less green ) streaking

http://www.wwi-models.org/Images/Karr/Artwork/tripe.jpg

 

Dr.1 reproduction showing much more brown than olive streaking

http://storage.mfa.free.fr/FokkerDRIuk.html

 

A model of Voss' Dr.1. Mostly brown with only faint streaking.

I think this is wrong in that the streaking is only faintly visible.

http://www.geocities.com/cewentzel/Fokker.html

 

A nice-looking model of Udet's Dr.1 with streaking that supports Gambit's

assertion of what the color's should look like:

http://www.largescaleplanes.com/articles/M.../RevellDr1.html

 

Another model with bright green streaking. Looks good but I don't agree

with the streaking pattern. Looks too blotchy.

http://modelingmadness.com/reviews/w1/ger/goodindr1.htm

 

Small artist's painting in the middle of the page supports the pearly-blue

look for Voss' Dr.1

http://www.starksravings.com/dr-1/fokker_dr_1.htm

 

Discussion at TheAerodrome about the streaking and colors used in Dr.1s.

There's also a debate in the forum somewhere about the yellow cowling and fin.

http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/models/1...-camoflage.html

 

Many different Dr.1 models here. Some with more greenish paint and some

with more olive. There's one with olive and red streaking. Nice! I wonder if it's

historically accurate.

http://www.wwi-models.org/Images/Schultz/DrI/index.html

 

I think this modeler laid that paint on too thick, but I think it's a good example

of what the streaking should look like.

http://www.us-aircraft.com/images/Steve%20...t2/jasta144.jpg

 

Cheers!

 

ShrikeHawk

[gambit168 27]

yeah theres some nice links there shrike , i guess there is no right or wrong, there is so many veriations in application of the streaking that anything/everything is posible

good finds m8

[WarlordATF 1]

Theres a model of the Voss triplane at this page...

 

http://www.flyingmule.com/products/CA-7122

 

Hope it helps!

[+p10ppy 2]

more than you could ever wish to know about Dr.1's

http://www.fokkerdr1.com/Mainpage.htm

especially

http://www.fokkerdr1.com/Profiles/Profile%20TC10.htm

 

Shrikehawk check your PMs

 

personally I'm waiting for TK's Dr.1 with anticipation :yes:

[ShrikeHawk 384]

Thanks for the extra links, all. Interesting discussion, yes? I guess it may come

down to personal taste. This is a game that's highly configurable to individual preference

anyway. I think I will give another go at a texture for Voss. I have the texture down

to a single layer among many in my PSP file. So switching the paint

is pretty quick at this point.

 

Cheers!

 

ShrikeHawk

[gambit168 27]

Hey shrike , Lots of time its hard to get a good fix on colours , and i find the best way sometimes is to search for a replica, not a profile or colour plate

and see how it looks in real world conditions , mostly they look spot on

so i take a swatch of that taking into account how much light will is in the pic,

itself , swatches are a life saver for me at least for reference to eliminate colours that simple aren't found anywhere in that colour scheme

 

this always works for me , & if it aint broke i wont fix it

cheers for links guys

gambit168

[ShrikeHawk 384]

That's a fabulous pic, Gambit. I see very prominent and very irregular streaking

on this one, and that's what I expect to see. I would imagine that the vast

majority of Dr.1s had camo like this. I think I would use this pic to build my

Dr.1 template if that's alright with you.

 

But for me, there's still a question regarding Voss' paintjob. Many templates and

profiles ( I remember what you said but I don't know of any replicas of Voss' plane )

show Olive Drab over "sky blue" rather than "beige". As you say, his aircraft was not typical

in paintscheme so I think I'd need a different camo for his aircraft. I think mine may be too

light and need more Olive Green (or Drab) to get the coloring right. Would you agree?

 

I'm still trying to account for No56 Squadron's account of Voss' aircraft where they

said that his aircraft was a "silvery blue". I'm not sure how much weight to give their view.

I'm sure it looked blue when it rolled it's undersides up, but how much olive was on the

the top? I plan to post another edition soon and see how it turns out. Maybe I can

reach a good compromise of all the ideas/views.

 

 

Cheers!

 

ShrikeHawk

[Firecage 1]

Gambit, Do you mind if I use that swatch you posted above for some skins ?

 

just wanted to ask 1st and make sure.

 

I am finally getting a few days from Work to be able to fly some again and I have been doing some repaints when possible.

 

Thanks

[gambit168 27]

Sure guys use the swatch no prob's

Voss's was a prototype Dr1 , it was the first Fokker to have olive streaks , and thats y i think it was so lightly applied cos , like u say as it was whizzing past 56's Se's they saw it as only a bluey /grey, he was turning inside his own axis, all 56's pilots only got a glimpse at any one time as he would be lining them up for another pass, and they were dodging bullets again

the production DR1's with the steaks all see so much of were not even in production when voss fell, so it is sure his was nothing like the standardised fokker finish,a light tan over a light blue may well be missed , but green would look dark and 56's pilots i feel would have said it had dark uppersurfaces in that case , but like you say there was no suggestion of a demarkation line between 2 solid states , upper and lower surfaces

cheers guys

gambit

[gambit168 27]

heres my swatch set for WW1 , hope it can be of use to some1

[a300mech 0]

This has always been such a topic of controversy. I imagine it always will be. FWIW, Shrikehawk has come pretty close to what I'd always pictured based upon the descriptions of Voss' plane I've read over the years.

[ShrikeHawk 384]

Well, here's another version for Voss' Dr.1.

I intended for this one to be a compromise of ideas. And mostly

a close proximation to what Voss' plane really looked like.

 

 

 

 

 

Thoughts anyone?

 

Cheers!

 

ShrikeHawk

[WarlordATF 1]

Thoughts anyone?

 

WOW! When can i download that!?!

[gambit168 27]

Yes Shrike That looks Very good I would go with that one , or give 2 versions , and add text stating no1's sure so take yer pick

But for me , the thing is "Bums on seats", or in our case "pixels on hardrives" , that will be on a lota hardrives so its a winner and good 2 go

[ShrikeHawk 384]

Thanks Gambit - and I've kept me bum in the seat indeed. HardDrive filling up too, hehehe.

Okay guys - here's the last version *promise* This one features broader, more irregular streaks

and a newer technique for creating the streaks.

 

 

 

 

 

Cheers!

 

ShrikeHawk

[Firecage 1]

Yes Im fine with you releasing this just include credit for what parts of my SKins you used. You can go to the ATEAM area of this forum and get permission from Capun for thier part.

[ShrikeHawk 384]

Nice one, Alligator! You matched that profile perfectly.