Russian cockpits for 50's/60's planes?

[tmdgm 0]

Was going to get around to trying to use a russian cockpit for the mig 15/17 and 19. What russian cockpits are available for 50's 60's era planes I can use. I know of the mig 21 cockpit where the cockpit closes when you start to taxi. I think there's an Su-7 cockpit somewhere? Any others?

[Silverbolt 104]

just the avaible cockpits are from Su-15, MiG-21, the MiG-21 of Mirage Factory, and Su-17

and thats all... pehaps the Su-27 has one too

[kukulino 1]

Was going to get around to trying to use a russian cockpit for the mig 15/17 and 19. What russian cockpits are available for 50's 60's era planes I can use. I know of the mig 21 cockpit where the cockpit closes when you start to taxi. I think there's an Su-7 cockpit somewhere? Any others?

Well, man, this is old question. Look here: http://forum.combatace.com/index.php?showtopic=20797

 

There is Su-17 cocpit in download section, no Su-7. It comes with Su-17 model by Armourdave:

http://forum.combatace.com/index.php?autom...amp;showfile=89

 

We are using this pit fo Su-7 and Mig-23 too.

 

P.S.: we have special Mig versions in download section: Mig-15BS (SB), Mig-17PF, PFU, Mig-19P, PM. They are not original models, but improved originals. They are good for every Mig fan here

 

So we still haven't got Mig-15/17/19/23 cocpits modelled. It is too hard work :cray:

Edited November 11, 2007 by kukulino

[Wrench 9,421]

Don't forget the pits for Yak-9 series...nice non-radar equiped, with Cyrillic lettering, metric displays, blahblahblah

 

Good for the Yak 9, 9ut, La7, La11; I haven't tested it in any of their early jets (Mig15, La15) though

 

And as always, the Sovi-ick green repainted Skyhawk pits

 

As for the Fishead pits, you can always stop the canpy animations with a simple ini edit.

 

Wrench

kevin stein

[Silverbolt 104]

ops sorry...

usualy i dont play with soviet, but i guess i see the YAK-9 in Korean Aces campaing

 

oh, and one question, somewone remember one MiG-23 cockpit with flanker Flightstick and great green textures??

i see it some months ago, i guess in a died topic

Edited November 11, 2007 by Silverbolt

[Wrench 9,421]

You mean this one, for 27??

 

 

Unfortunately, it's no longer available, and cannot be shared in any way, shape or form due to ownership 'questions'

 

Sad,too, as it's a great pit.

 

Maybe, one of these days, some talented modder or ini tweeker will be able to do this, either as a full, new pit or using "moves" and reskins to recreate it.

 

Wrench

kevin stein

[+Brain32 265]

Well I use this:

MiG-15 - repainted A4 black cockpit - found here

MiG-17 - repainted F-100D green cockpit - found at Marcfighters

MiG-19 - I use MiG-21F13 cockpit

 

I whish somebody would made real cockpits for those, they don't look complicated(no radar,fancy HUD and electronics) but I know as much about 3d modelling as I do about Pakistani basketball championship so I guess I don't know what I'm talking about

[kukulino 1]

Oh, Wrench, I know nothink about Yak-9 pit. Is it new mod? I haven't got Yak-9 with cocpit in my Korea instal.

 

To Silverbolt: I do not heard about that cocpit but as I see, Wrench knows it

Edited November 11, 2007 by kukulino

[Wrench 9,421]

My mistake, fellas...it's from the Yak 3 -- so damn many installs with so damn may mods, it's hard to keep trak!!

 

 

With a little ini editing, mostly to positoin (has to be adjusted for each aircraft), it's usalbe on the 3RD, 9, 9UT, 15, La11, possibly the La15 - if you repaint the coolant gauge to read 'EGT' for the jet pipe temp.

 

The gunsight is also part of my mod, from the Pappa Romeo EAW sight pak; Soviet PBP1.

 

I'd also reccomend having a look at Lexx_Luthor's thread at the 3rd Wire forums...'Stargetic Applications of cockpits' or something like that...some very interestering things there!

 

Wrench

kevin stein

[kukulino 1]

Thanx Wrench :yes:

 

I started topic called Calling Paladrian. Paladrian uploaded Mig-21 pits. So I hope he will answer on our questions about Mig pits :blush2:

 

http://forum.combatace.com/index.php?showt...t=0#entry109979

[Lexx_Luthor 57]

Star-getic

 

Wrench::

Stargetic Applications of cockpits

hehehe ... I guess it could be generic cockpits strategically applied across many models.

 

For now, I am only doing stargetic aircraft relevant to SAC vs PVO, the LeMay years, but this assumes some TAC aircraft will play a role also, and maybe some stargetic NAVY planes, and possibly RAF (Mossie and Vulcan!!). But I have done one special request, and when I run out of SAC/PVO stargetic aircraft, I'll explore A-Team's and others' WW2 aircraft.

[+NeverEnough 78]

I sometimes use the WOE Hunter FGA9 cockpit for the MiG-15 and MiG-17. If you have Razbam's beautiful F2H Banshee model, it makes for a particularily nice MiG-19 cockpit! They may not be completely accurate early Soviet cockpits, but they are light years ahead of the repainted A-4 pit.

[Bulldog 0]

You mean this one, for 27??

 

 

Unfortunately, it's no longer available, and cannot be shared in any way, shape or form due to ownership 'questions'

 

Sad,too, as it's a great pit.

 

Maybe, one of these days, some talented modder or ini tweeker will be able to do this, either as a full, new pit or using "moves" and reskins to recreate it.

 

Wrench

kevin stein

 

 

That's sad indeed, that's a great pit! I could even see with some tweeks using this for the F-7's (radar being in the right spot).

[Sgt.KAR98 0]

You mean this one, for 27??

 

 

Unfortunately, it's no longer available, and cannot be shared in any way, shape or form due to ownership 'questions'

 

Sad,too, as it's a great pit.

 

Maybe, one of these days, some talented modder or ini tweeker will be able to do this, either as a full, new pit or using "moves" and reskins to recreate it.

 

Wrench

kevin stein

 

Looks a lot closer to the real MiG-23 than the Su-17 one.

 

 

BTW,I saw that in Marcfighters site there is a great Su-7 cockpit,but,when I intall,nothing changes.Why???

 

 

For the Yak-9,MiG-9,La-11 and La-9 I use the MiG-3 cockpit.

 

The MiG-9 to 19 really need a good pit,as the La-15 and Yak-15.

Also,I saw on the downloads section that the MiG-27 cockpit is different...Is that one from stock in WoE?

[kukulino 1]

Also,I saw on the downloads section that the MiG-27 cockpit is different...Is that one from stock in WoE?

It is using Mig-21F cocpit (this is Gepards pack). Another Mig-27 pack (by USAFMTL) is using Su-17 pit.

 

We are waiting for Mig-17 pit (I think it is Mig-17)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LOOK HERE:

http://forum.combatace.com/index.php?showtopic=23360

 

Su-7 pit: it is F-100 cocpit repaint on Marcfighters pages, I think. Not new Su-7 pit.

Edited November 11, 2007 by kukulino

[Sgt.KAR98 0]

Oh,yes,you´re right!

It was very suspect,I thought I already saw a cockpit like that.

 

MMmmmm...The Su-7 one is a green F-100 cockpit?Probably,I saw a MiG-21 MF cockpit that was a green F-104 one.

[Wrench 9,421]

Looks a lot closer to the real MiG-23 than the Su-17 one.

 

DUH!!! Excepting it was designed for a Mig-27, NOT a 23.

 

follow the thread...the 23's project their data onto the HUD glass, not on a dash mounted CRT. In the pic you posted, look at the size and thickness of the columinator/reflector glass...hell of a lot bigger than a 'normal' gunsight.

 

The tweek we're using now (in the Mirage Factory Floggers) roughly simulates this, but as stated elsewhere, it really can't be done properly. (I'm sure somebody will find a work around similiar to what we have, but not right away).

 

As for the cockpits at Marcfighters, they date back to the origins of SF..they're simply repainted stock pits. AND, you'll still need to extract the relevant cockpit inis to make the adjustments to the pilot positons, as they're just a bit off (I don't acually remember it the cockpit inis are included --been too damn long!) Not to denegrate the original builder, but we've learned an awful lot since then....in adjusting views, angles, positons and avionics tweeks.

There are times I think we know more of what's going on 'under the hood', than TK does!!!

 

As the Mig-3, all my WW2 soviet stuff has been converted to the Yak pit. As to the Feather, using the Yak3 pit works just fine, as it's 98.6% closer than anything else. Remember, historically, the Feather is just a Yak 9 with jet engine shoved into it.

 

 

Wrench

kevin stein

[Lexx_Luthor 57]

Yak-3

[kukulino 1]

MMmmmm...The Su-7 one is a green F-100 cockpit?Probably,I saw a MiG-21 MF cockpit that was a green F-104 one.

 

F-104/100 and A-4 pits were good alternative cocpits for Mig-21 before great Mig-21F/PF/PFM/MF cocpits came into download section.

 

Gerald14 use F104 pit for some versions Mig-21Bis in his new Bis pack.

http://forum.combatace.com/index.php?autom...p;showfile=5495

Edited November 13, 2007 by kukulino

[kukulino 1]

What about this pit for Mig-19P/PM:

 

It is capuns Super etendart. Radar is on right side (in Mig-19PM too). Need some changes because radar is AG only.

 

Mig-19 site in polish language

Edited November 13, 2007 by kukulino

[+Jarhead1 27]

just add the data in the data ini for the spot that says radar

[Wrench 9,421]

don't even need to do that....just have use the existing FarmerD/E avioncs ini, and transfer over the radar bmps

 

btw, it was FoxMonter's original aircraft and cockpit. We (Dev A-Team) just finished it off.

 

Wrench

kevin stein

[Lexx_Luthor 57]

What I'm using for La-15 and MiG-15, -17 F/PF/PFU, -19 S,P,PM: scroll down ~> http://bbs.thirdwire.com/phpBB/viewtopic.p...0&start=128

 

For a general releace, we'd need permission from DogSabreTeam, ArmourDave, and Wrench. Below we apply the same stargetic concept to Pasko's Yak-25 model...

 

 

Edited November 14, 2007 by Lexx_Luthor

[Wrench 9,421]

That typo is gonna haunt me forever.....

 

As to permissions, USAFMTL was on the SabreDog team, and he said he didn't care if we tweeked it for the Corsair NF; AD's pretty much left the community (real life commitments, etc)....I'll have to ask the other moderators/owners of the site if we can consider the Fitter Pit as 'abandonware', and start putting this together. Also have to see if I can't find the original readme for the Su-17, and see if there's anything in there about fair usage....

 

Failing that, I guess I'll have to learn to think/write in Russian and try to make some Cyrillic gauges.....

 

Wrench

kevin stein

[Wrench 9,421]

Ok, quick test results....

 

first shot, I forget to rename the HUD tgas, but commented them out of the cockpit ini:

 

 

2nd shot, without HUD data tgas..

 

 

It does work, after a fashion. Kukulino, you just might be on to something here...

 

Wrench

kevin stein