Air-naval war in the Aegean Sea

[AvalancheDiode 0]

I would presume that the war in Aegean sea could be a good scenario. Both Greece and Turkey operates similar aircrafts. The campaign could be:

 

195x territorial war

1962 Cypriot war

1974 Cypriot war 2

1982 total war

 

Make the US incapable of choosing allies and Soviet Union supporting Bulgaria aiding Greece and putting pressure on Edirne and Istanbul, the campaigns could be very interesting.

 

Any thoughts?

[macelena 1,070]

Well, there is a map wich, with little editing, could serve. I had a install wich allowed to represent greco-turkish conflict since the 60 to the present day. I lost it , however. But indeed, it could be done

[+JonathanRL 973]

Sounds very interesting indeed.

[tiopilotos 2,504]

The critical times for the Greek - Turkish relation were 3 since 1974.

 

July 1974 Cyprus

March 1987 Sismik

January 1996 Imia

 

It could be a very interesting scenario if these campaigns could be made.

[+PureBlue 71]

I've been planning on designing a few campaings for this region.

 

Stay tuned for the Anatolia Terrain which you can use as a base for your campaigns.

Will start uploading shortly

 

Edited March 26, 2011 by PureBlue

[+Brain32 265]

I've been planning on designing a few campaings for this region.

 

Stay tuned for the Anatolia Terrain which you can use as a base for your campaigns.

Will start uploading shortly

 

When you say "shorty"....that means today?

[+KnightWolf45 1,147]

When you say "shorty"....that means today?

sure hope so

[+PureBlue 71]

Yes, waiting approval as we speak

[+Brain32 265]

Yes, waiting approval as we speak

 

Awsome!

[AvalancheDiode 0]

Yes, waiting approval as we speak

 

Wish something and it comes true. This is must be my lucky day. Thanks for creating the map and mission and so on.

 

Now I wish there's an AIDC F-CK-1 A/B/C/D add on to Taiwan campaign.

[macelena 1,070]

Wish something and it comes true. This is must be my lucky day. Thanks for creating the map and mission and so on.

 

Now I wish there's an AIDC F-CK-1 A/B/C/D add on to Taiwan campaign.

 

There is one, in the Dev´s A-Team site. Registration required

[+paulopanz 2,853]

Well this 1974 Orbat

 

THK in 1974

1. Taktik Havva Kuvveti (1st Tactical Air Force)

 

1 AJÜ, Eskisehir

- 111. Filo: F-100D/F

- 112. Filo: F-4E (in training)

- 113. Filo: RF-84F

 

3 AJÜ, Konya

- 131. Filo: F-100F/C

- 132. Filo: F-100C/D

 

4 AJÜ, Mürted

- 141. Filo: F-104G, temporarily deployed to Balikesir

- 142. Filo: F-102A, temporarily deployed to Balikesir

 

6 AJÜ, Bandirma

- 161. Filo: F-5A

- 162. Filo: RF-5A/F-5A

 

9 AJÜ, Balikesir

- 191. Filo: F-104G, temporarily deployed to Cumaovassi

- 192. Filo: F-104S

 

2. Taktik Havva Kuvveti (2nd Tactical Air Force)

5 AJÜ, Merzifon

- 151. Filo: F-5A/B, temporarily deployed to Cumaovassi

- 152. Filo: F-5A/B

 

7 AJÜ, Erhac

- 171. Filo: F-100D

- 172. Filo: F-100D

 

8 AJÜ, Diyarbakir

- 182. Filo: F-102A

- 184. Filo: RF-5A

 

Havva Ulattyrma Komutanlygy (Tactical Transport Command)

12 AJÜ

- 221. Filo: C.160D

- 222. Filo: C-130E

- 223. Filo: C-47

- 224. Filo: Viscount

 

Havva Egitim Komutanligi (Training Command)

2 AJÜ

- 121. Filo: T-33A

- 122. Filo: T-37C

- 123. Filo: T-41D/T-34A, based at Gaziemir

- 124. Filo: T-33A

 

(E)PA1974

 

110 Pterix Mahis

- 347 Mira: F-84F

- 348 Mira: RF-84F, based at Larisa

- 349 Mira: RF-5A, based at Larisa

- 370 Mira: T-33A Mk.III

 

111 Pterix Mahis

- 337 Mira: F-5A/Bs (to be replaced by F-4Es in 1974)

- 341 Mira: F-5A/Bs

- 343 Mira: F-5A/B

 

113 Pterix Mahis

- 343 Mira: F-5A (deployed there after 20 July 1974)

 

114 Pterix Mahis

- 335 Mira: F-104G

- 342 Mira: F/TF-102A

 

115 Pterix Mahis, Souda Bay

- 340 Mira: F-84F

- 340/II F-84F (forward deployed at Kastelli)

 

116 Pterix Mahis

- 336 Mira: F-104G

 

117 Pterix Mahis

- 338 Mira: F-4E/F-84F

- 339 Mira: F-4E and F-84F (deployed at Souda)

 

If someone needs help I'm here for F-100C/F-102 skins ....

[PraetorH 166]

Western birds duking it out, F-4 vs F-4, F-102 vs F-102... That is a very interesting idea! I hope it will progress well.

[+allenjb42 4,115]

Where are we up to with Greek & Turkish F-16s for SF2?

 

And IRL, are they using the latest versions with the big spine & CFTs?

[FrankD 7]

allenjb42,

Here's the Turkish F-16 inventory from F-16.net:

 

http://www.f-16.net/..._article21.html

 

 

From the same website, dated from May 2008 but fairly detailed:

 

$45 BILLION MODERNIZATION OF TuAF

Turkey has allocated a budget of $150 billion for modernization of its Armed Forces. This sum will be spent over a period of 30 years (which commenced retrospectively in 1997). This budget is exclusive of the yearly military budget which is officially stated as 5.7% of GDP. $45 billion of this has been allocated for the total overhaul of the Turkish Air Force.

 

According to US Navy Sources, under this very ambitious modernization program Turkey intends to acquire 650 Combat Aircraft and 750 Helicopters (Attack, General Purpose, Heavy Lift). See Pages 138 of “TURKEY’S RESPONSE TO THREATS OF WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION”, December 2001, United States Navy, NAVAL POSTGRADUATE SCHOOL, Monterey, California, http://www.nps.edu/a...theses/Al01.pdf

 

The 650 combat aircraft include the 230 F-16 CCIP + 30 F-16 Block 50+, 100 F-35 (Firm Order), 52 F-4 2020 Terminator, 238 Unknown Fith Generation Fighter. The Turkish Military establishment is discussing two option:

 

(1) To increase the total number of F-35C being commissioned

(2) To join the Eurofighter consortium in Trache 3

 

According to inside sources the first option is the most favoured by the establishment as Washington has offered licenced production at Turkish Aerospace Industries.

 

Regarding the acquisition of 750 Helicopters: The T-129 (a Turkish development of the Agusta/Westland A-129) has been selected as the Attack platform. 10 firm (40 option) Apache has also been approved. Sikorsky and Turkey are currently negotiating for the co-production of a medium lift general purpose heli. Turkey is also in negotiations with the US for the co-production or off-the shelf procurement of the Chinook Heavy Lift helicopter. See

http://www.worldbull...il.php?id=21982.

 

Inventory and Structure of the Turkish Air Force

 

The TuAF currently operates 230 F-16s distributed in 11 squadrons, all F-16s squadrons are AMRAAM/Sidewinder capable, some dedicated ground attack squadrons with LGB,Maverick AGM-65G, LANTIRN pods, one squadron is dedicated for SEAD with HARMs.

 

Structure

 

Ankara Akinci Main Jet Base:

 

141 Block-40 Fighter

142 Block-30 Fighter

143 Block-30 OCU

 

Merzifon Main Jet Base:

151 Block-50 SEAD

152 Block-50 Fighter

 

Bandirma Main Jet Base:

161 Block-40 LANTIRN

162 Block-40 Fighter

 

Diyarbakir Main Jet Base:

181 Block-40 LANTIRN

182 Block-40 Fighter

 

Balikesir Main Jet Base:

191 Block-50 Ground Attack/Fighter

192 Block-50 Fighter

 

TuAF also currently operates 52 F-4E/2020 Terminators which are dedicated to air-ground with Popeye-1/2, LGB, MAvericks and LITENING-III (these 2020 Terminators can be considered as the "poor-man's" F-15) plus 80 F-4E/RF-4E used as Interceptor and for Recce purposes...The Turkish Air Force approved the further upgrade of a further 48 F-4Es and 18 RF-4E, thus bringing them up to F-4E/2020 standards.

 

Structure

 

Eskisehir Main Jet Base:

111. F-4E/2020 Terminator

112. F-4E Interceptor

113. RF-4E Recce with LOROP pods

 

Malatya Main Jet Base:

171. F-4E/2020 Terminator

172. F-4E Interceptor

173 RF-4E Recce with LOROP pods

 

 

TuAF also currently operates 7 KC-135R tankers to support these squadrons

 

 

TRANSPORT FORCE

 

7 x C-130E Hercules (being extensively modernised with Full Glass Cockpits etc)

6 x C-130B Hercules (with ELINT/SIGINT equipment)

19 x C-160T Transall

50 x CN 235-100M

10 x Airbus A-400M (Firm Order)

 

UNMANNED AERIAL INVENTORY

 

0 x (20 on order) TIHA MALE Attack/Surveillance (Indigenous UAV similar to US Predator, TIHA-B armed with 4 laser guided missiles) (800 km)

40 x Heron MALE Attack/Surveillance UAV (1000/3300 km)

107 x Harpy Attack UAV (500 km)

2 I x GNAT Surveillance UAV (500 km)

 

HELICOPTER INVENTORY

 

20 x AS 532UL Cougar Mk1 (14 SAR + 6 CSAR)

81 x Bell UH-1H Iroquois (SAR/ECM/Utility)- To be modernized

45 x UNKNOWN HEAVY LIFT (Negotiations for the co-production of a heavy lift helicopter such as the Chinook still continuing).

 

TRAINING AIRCRAFT INVENTORY

 

69 x T-38A Talon (received structural upgrade, to be modernized)

61 x Cessna T-37B/C (received structural upgrade)

38 x Aermacchi SF-260D

26 x T-41D Mescalero

0 x KAI KT-1 (40 on order to replace T-37s)

 

Also, currently the development of both Turbo-prop and Turbo-fan engine trainer aircraft are continuing at Turkish Aerospace Industries. It is planned that they will enter service in 2012.

 

TuAF Air Defense Force

 

Long Range/High altitute

 

72 Nike Hercules(about to be retired

 

Patriot/S-300/S-400- There is currently in negotiations with Russian and US companies for an anti-balistic missile defence shield (It will consist of a minimum of 4 systems). Russia is the favoured as they have offered co-production and tech-transfer. See Russia offers Turkey upgraded, longer-range S-300s Papandreou: Greece is ready to discuss everything with Turkey that doesn't affect its sovereignty P - Turkish Daily News Mar 04, 2000

 

After the off-the-shelf initial order of 4 systems, Turkey will then commence the development of an indegenous system in conjunction with a foreign partner. There is a requirement of an extra indegenous 8 systems.

 

A next generation Very-High Altitude Anti-Balistic weapons system web- to be co-produced by the Boeing and Havelsan of Turkey team. It will be used by the US, Turkey and NATO. Seehttp://goliath.ecnex...199-2590089_ITM and

http://www.boeing.co...080422b_nr.html

 

Medium Range/Altitute

 

24 I-HAWK-PIP3 launchers with MPQ-64 Sentinel Radars/Konsberg Fire Control Centers

 

Indigenous system in development by ASELSAN of Turkey

 

Low Altitute/Short Range

 

80 x Rapier Lauchers/37 Blindfire Fire Control radars upgraded to B1X version, new 800 Rapier Mk-2 missiles started to be assembled in Turkey.

 

32 x Aselsan of Turkey KMS, each carries 4 ready to fire Stingers-RPM and 12.7mm machine gun for close range defence...

 

35mm/40mm short range AA guns supported by D-XI Radar/FLIR weapon control platforms...

 

 

http://www.f-16.net/...ic-t-10470.html

 

 

Scramble is also quoting the same block:

http://www.scramble....4/thk/orbat.htm

http://www.scramble.nl/tr.htm

Edited March 30, 2011 by FrankD

[GMagos 6]

The critical times for the Greek - Turkish relation were 3 since 1974.

 

July 1974 Cyprus

March 1987 Sismik

January 1996 Imia

 

It could be a very interesting scenario if these campaigns could be made.

 

I couldn't agree more.These events adds to realism of the campaign and represent three different aircraft generations for each country.

[SayethWhaaaa 245]

Ooh... so is this map going to include space for Egypt, Israel Syria as well, or with that space be off map? It'd be good to strike Israel from Turkey or to hit Libya with a package from Tel Aviv.

[+PureBlue 71]

The map was released a while ago. Check SF2 Terrains download.

part of Egypt and Israel are on the map but not populated and currently there is no plan to do so.

[SayethWhaaaa 245]

Cheers. As for the parts not populated, there's little in this game we can't play around with.

[vans1 0]

The critical times for the Greek - Turkish relation were 3 since 1974.

 

July 1974 Cyprus

March 1987 Sismik

January 1996 Imia

 

It could be a very interesting scenario if these campaigns could be made.

 

Maybe we should also consider a near future (in part fictional) scenario taking place around small islands of the Aegean?

Using the f-35 for Turkey, the Casa C-23 (SU-35) for Greece and other older planes for each side? Many of them available in the download area.

I think it would be very interesting.