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By clim995
Okay so hear me out. I finally plated the NATO fighter campaign in 1953. Guess I just got tired with the short and sharp dogfights of the Radar missile era of the late cold war so I decided to jump to the 1953 campaign on the MiG-15bis cockpit. Well, I have experience with supersonic jet gunfights (MiG-19 is my all-time favorite) but riding the MiG-15bis with a vastly inferior engine is something I am not prepared for.
Sure, I could chase turboprop attack aircraft (A-26 Invaders are my favorite prey!) but I kind of struggle catching with jet engine ones without getting too distracted by my fuel reserves. Once I managed to trash F-84S (they were on a strike configuration and were running away) when I happened to chance upon two Canadair Sabres. They tried to run-away as well but I was too determined to catch them and I eventually did but then they dropped their tanks and turned around and an ensuing dogfight erupted between me and my wingman.
Suffice to say, in my opinion, MiG-15bis guns were horrible. The entire aircraft had the tendency to lose alignment when firing and the bullet ballistics is crap owing to the heavier caliber. The turn radius seems to be terrible as well, as the Canadair Sabre effortlessly managed to outturn me. Then I found myself being chased, completely at their mercy. A Sabre fired a 50 caliber salvo and grazed my wing, clipping my aileron (thank god the tank didn't explode) and I managed to emergency land to a nearby airfield while my wingman managed to shoot one of the Sabre who tried to finish me on my landing approach.
In my opinion, MiG-15bis is a terrifying interceptor and absolutely crap dogfighter, but still, I want to hear your side and opinions on this.
Is the MiG-15bis inferior at dogfighting or am I just a crap dogfighter (lol)?
(screenshots of my MiG-15bis barely managing to escape from the two Murderous Canadair Sabre on my tail lol)
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By Eagle114th
Good evening everyone,
Since I am working on a big collection of different MiG-15s and MiG-17s for different nations. I found MiG-17 realistic flight model tweak which limits the maneuverability of the MiG-17s at high subsonic speeds, especially above .8M. According to them, I have to look at CLa= and Cmq= tables for the stabs at values .8M and above.
This part still confuses me. So I am asking for someone to point me at where to look at. That way, I can understand which codes to tweak for another MiG-15 and 17 that still doesn't have the maneuverability limitation at subsonic speeds.
I opened MiG-17's data file and went to [AircraftData]:
[LeftStab] ParentComponentName=VertTail ModelNodeName=Left_Stab ShowFromCockpit=TRUE DetachWhenDestroyed=TRUE DamageRating=DISABLED MassFraction=0.012 HasAeroCoefficients=TRUE LiftSurface=TRUE CL0=-0.0024 CLa=0.1946 CD0=0.0005 CDL=0.0003 Cmq=-2.4830 Cmad=-1.1754 Cyb=-0.0753 Clp=-0.0011 Cnb=0.0421 CL0MachTableNumData=13 CL0MachTableDeltaX=0.10 CL0MachTableStartX=0.00 CL0MachTableData=3.256,3.262,3.278,2.462,1.000,0.217,-0.231,-0.523,-0.614,-0.614,-0.738,-0.716,0.481 CLaMachTableNumData=13 CLaMachTableDeltaX=0.10 CLaMachTableStartX=0.00 CLaMachTableData=0.973,0.975,0.979,0.988,1.000,1.016,1.038,1.066,0.201,0.001,0.001,0.001,0.001 CD0MachTableNumData=13 CD0MachTableDeltaX=0.10 CD0MachTableStartX=0.00 CD0MachTableData=2.082,1.249,1.104,1.036,1.000,0.981,0.971,0.986,0.994,0.994,11.881,11.945,12.036 CDLAlphaTableNumData=15 CDLAlphaTableDeltaX=4.00 CDLAlphaTableStartX=-28.00 CDLAlphaTableData=93.444,69.444,49.000,32.111,18.778,9.000,2.778,0.111,1.000,5.444,13.444,25.000,40.111,58.778,81.000 CmqMachTableNumData=13 CmqMachTableDeltaX=0.10 CmqMachTableStartX=0.00 CmqMachTableData=0.971,0.973,0.978,0.987,1.000,1.017,1.040,2.069,10.107,100.107,100.364,100.332,100.199 XacMachTableNumData=13 XacMachTableDeltaX=0.10 XacMachTableStartX=0.00 XacMachTableData=-5.346,-5.346,-5.347,-5.348,-5.350,-5.352,-5.356,-5.359,-5.364,-5.364,-5.438,-5.459,-5.472 CheckStall=TRUE CLmax=0.0708 AlphaStall=17.68 AlphaMax=23.72 AlphaDepart=28.23 StallLiftTableNumData=37 StallLiftTableDeltaX=10.00 StallLiftTableStartX=-180.00 StallLiftTableData=0.000,-0.013,-0.026,-0.042,-0.058,-0.054,-0.047,-0.032,-0.014,0.000,0.017,0.050,0.094,0.140,0.202,0.245,0.340,0.531,0.903,0.586,0.362,0.265,0.210,0.167,0.118,0.074,0.038,0.000,-0.014,-0.032,-0.047,-0.054,-0.058,-0.042,-0.026,-0.013,0.000 StallDragTableNumData=37 StallDragTableDeltaX=10.00 StallDragTableStartX=-180.00 StallDragTableData=0.001,0.008,0.021,0.043,0.082,0.123,0.171,0.227,0.292,0.367,0.451,0.562,0.689,0.825,0.937,1.018,1.142,1.122,1.000,1.122,1.142,1.018,0.937,0.825,0.689,0.562,0.451,0.367,0.292,0.227,0.171,0.123,0.082,0.043,0.021,0.008,0.001 StallXacShiftTableNumData=37 StallXacShiftTableDeltaX=10.00 StallXacShiftTableStartX=-180.00 StallXacShiftTableData=-0.359,-0.359,-0.307,-0.276,-0.273,-0.262,-0.244,-0.225,-0.199,-0.179,-0.160,-0.134,-0.115,-0.097,-0.086,-0.083,-0.052,0.000,0.000,0.000,-0.052,-0.083,-0.086,-0.097,-0.115,-0.134,-0.160,-0.179,-0.199,-0.225,-0.244,-0.262,-0.273,-0.276,-0.307,-0.359,-0.359 DownwashAlphaTableNumData=37 DownwashAlphaTableDeltaX=10.00 DownwashAlphaTableStartX=-180.00 DownwashAlphaTableData=0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,-0.000,-0.141,-0.153,-0.076,-0.002,-0.095,-0.607,-1.666,-2.187,0.407,4.536,8.397,7.739,0.864,0.103,0.678,0.913,0.668,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000 Chord=1.00 Ymac=-0.71 MinExtentPosition=-0.02,-6.13, 1.35 MaxExtentPosition=-1.75,-4.96, 1.43 CollisionPoint[001]=-1.67,-5.90,1.38 CollisionPoint[002]=-1.67,-6.39,1.38 SystemName[001]=LeftElevator [RightStab] ParentComponentName=VertTail ModelNodeName=Right_Stab ShowFromCockpit=TRUE DetachWhenDestroyed=TRUE DamageRating=DISABLED MassFraction=0.012 HasAeroCoefficients=TRUE LiftSurface=TRUE CL0=-0.0024 CLa=0.1946 CD0=0.0005 CDL=0.0003 Cmq=-2.4830 Cmad=-1.1754 Cyb=-0.0753 Clp=-0.0011 Cnb=0.0421 CL0MachTableNumData=13 CL0MachTableDeltaX=0.10 CL0MachTableStartX=0.00 CL0MachTableData=3.256,3.262,3.278,2.462,1.000,0.217,-0.231,-0.523,-0.614,-0.614,-0.738,-0.716,0.481 CLaMachTableNumData=13 CLaMachTableDeltaX=0.10 CLaMachTableStartX=0.00 CLaMachTableData=0.973,0.975,0.979,0.988,1.000,1.016,1.038,1.066,0.201,0.001,0.001,0.001,0.001 CD0MachTableNumData=13 CD0MachTableDeltaX=0.10 CD0MachTableStartX=0.00 CD0MachTableData=2.082,1.249,1.104,1.036,1.000,0.981,0.971,0.986,0.994,0.994,11.881,11.945,12.036 CDLAlphaTableNumData=15 CDLAlphaTableDeltaX=4.00 CDLAlphaTableStartX=-28.00 CDLAlphaTableData=93.444,69.444,49.000,32.111,18.778,9.000,2.778,0.111,1.000,5.444,13.444,25.000,40.111,58.778,81.000 CmqMachTableNumData=13 CmqMachTableDeltaX=0.10 CmqMachTableStartX=0.00 CmqMachTableData=0.971,0.973,0.978,0.987,1.000,1.017,1.040,2.069,10.107,100.107,100.364,100.332,100.199 XacMachTableNumData=13 XacMachTableDeltaX=0.10 XacMachTableStartX=0.00 XacMachTableData=-5.346,-5.346,-5.347,-5.348,-5.350,-5.352,-5.356,-5.359,-5.364,-5.364,-5.438,-5.459,-5.472 CheckStall=TRUE CLmax=0.0708 AlphaStall=17.68 AlphaMax=23.72 AlphaDepart=28.23 StallLiftTableNumData=37 StallLiftTableDeltaX=10.00 StallLiftTableStartX=-180.00 StallLiftTableData=0.000,-0.013,-0.026,-0.042,-0.058,-0.054,-0.047,-0.032,-0.014,0.000,0.017,0.050,0.094,0.140,0.202,0.245,0.340,0.531,0.903,0.586,0.362,0.265,0.210,0.167,0.118,0.074,0.038,0.000,-0.014,-0.032,-0.047,-0.054,-0.058,-0.042,-0.026,-0.013,0.000 StallDragTableNumData=37 StallDragTableDeltaX=10.00 StallDragTableStartX=-180.00 StallDragTableData=0.001,0.008,0.021,0.043,0.082,0.123,0.171,0.227,0.292,0.367,0.451,0.562,0.689,0.825,0.937,1.018,1.142,1.122,1.000,1.122,1.142,1.018,0.937,0.825,0.689,0.562,0.451,0.367,0.292,0.227,0.171,0.123,0.082,0.043,0.021,0.008,0.001 StallXacShiftTableNumData=37 StallXacShiftTableDeltaX=10.00 StallXacShiftTableStartX=-180.00 StallXacShiftTableData=-0.359,-0.359,-0.307,-0.276,-0.273,-0.262,-0.244,-0.225,-0.199,-0.179,-0.160,-0.134,-0.115,-0.097,-0.086,-0.083,-0.052,0.000,0.000,0.000,-0.052,-0.083,-0.086,-0.097,-0.115,-0.134,-0.160,-0.179,-0.199,-0.225,-0.244,-0.262,-0.273,-0.276,-0.307,-0.359,-0.359 DownwashAlphaTableNumData=37 DownwashAlphaTableDeltaX=10.00 DownwashAlphaTableStartX=-180.00 DownwashAlphaTableData=0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,-0.000,-0.141,-0.153,-0.076,-0.002,-0.095,-0.607,-1.666,-2.187,0.407,4.536,8.397,7.739,0.864,0.103,0.678,0.913,0.668,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000 Chord=1.00 Ymac=0.71 MinExtentPosition= 0.02,-6.13, 1.35 MaxExtentPosition= 1.75,-4.96, 1.43 CollisionPoint[001]=1.67,-5.90,1.38 CollisionPoint[002]=1.67,-6.39,1.38 SystemName[001]=RightElevator
May I ask, which codes limit the Elevator responses at certain airspeed (Mach 0.8 and above)?
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By Spinners
View File Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-15bis - RJAF
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-15bis - Royal Jordanian Air Force
This is a simple mod of the stock Third Wire MiG-15bis from the 'Wings Over Israel Add-On' to give a flyable Mig-15bis of the Royal Jordanian Air Force.
Please do not download this mod if you don't have 'Wings Over Israel Add-On' from Series One.
BACKSTORY
Despite Jordan gaining independence in 1946 it wasn't until 1950 that Jordan began to establish an embryonic air force with the assistance of the Royal Air Force. When Hussein bin Talal became King of Jordan (following the abdication of his father in August 1952) he was keen to see Jordan develop a more modern air force and looked to create a balance in his relationship with the West and the Soviet Union by ordering military equipment from both. The already obsolete de Havilland Vampire and Gloster Meteor were selected for ground-attack whilst the MiG-15bis was selected for interception duties with the first examples arriving in September 1955 to equip No.1 Squadron of the newly formed Royal Jordanian Air Force.
INSTRUCTIONS
1. From the AIRCRAFT folder drag and drop the MiG-15bisRJAF folder into your Aircraft folder.
CREDITS
Thanks to TK for a great little game/sim.
Thanks to Ordway for the MiG-15 cockpit.
And thanks to everyone in the wider Third Wire community.
Regards
Spinners
Version 1 - 02/04/18
Submitter Spinners Submitted 04/02/2018 Category Fictional Aircraft, Experimental and UAV's
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By Spinners
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-15bis - Royal Jordanian Air Force
This is a simple mod of the stock Third Wire MiG-15bis from the 'Wings Over Israel Add-On' to give a flyable Mig-15bis of the Royal Jordanian Air Force.
Please do not download this mod if you don't have 'Wings Over Israel Add-On' from Series One.
BACKSTORY
Despite Jordan gaining independence in 1946 it wasn't until 1950 that Jordan began to establish an embryonic air force with the assistance of the Royal Air Force. When Hussein bin Talal became King of Jordan (following the abdication of his father in August 1952) he was keen to see Jordan develop a more modern air force and looked to create a balance in his relationship with the West and the Soviet Union by ordering military equipment from both. The already obsolete de Havilland Vampire and Gloster Meteor were selected for ground-attack whilst the MiG-15bis was selected for interception duties with the first examples arriving in September 1955 to equip No.1 Squadron of the newly formed Royal Jordanian Air Force.
INSTRUCTIONS
1. From the AIRCRAFT folder drag and drop the MiG-15bisRJAF folder into your Aircraft folder.
CREDITS
Thanks to TK for a great little game/sim.
Thanks to Ordway for the MiG-15 cockpit.
And thanks to everyone in the wider Third Wire community.
Regards
Spinners
Version 1 - 02/04/18
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By Stary
View File MiG-15 Bis cockpit HD
This is highly detailed, high poly cockpit model of iconic soviet jet fighter MiG-15 Bis.
Thanks to Do335 and Coupi for some very nice tweaks to my previous MiG-15 cockpits which were incorporated into this mod; also to Swambast for some reference materials.
I made my best to make most of the instruments working; possibly includes some new never before seen creative solutions ;)
Read the readme for the boring stuff and additional info.
Have fun
Stary
Submitter Stary Submitted 07/17/2016 Category Jet Cockpits
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