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    I dont see your point. The point i was trying to make was not to categorize all Muslims as being "troublemakers" The guys is a leader of a group that happens to be following their own view of Islam so that they can enforce their views upon others. The problem is that they might refer to the political group but using a stamp will create a certain mindset with the common man that stretches on to regular hard working Muslims around the world. Before 9/11 nobody could care less if you were a Muslim but today if you say you are a Muslim people look at you like you will blow up any second.

     

    In this case i find it that a nazi comparison does exactly that. In my view its no different than what the nazis did. They blamed a whole group of people. They stamped them and that stamp went on to be a common view of a man that happened to be of a Jewish heritage. I can bring up other similar situations.

    My old home country Bosnia. The serbs called the muslims turks. Why? To alienate them and to create a we and them mindset.

     

    If you try to fight islam you fight 1.2billion people. If you fight a certain political group in Israel well then you only fight those people.

     

    You said in post #4: "I just love how he gets stamped as an "Islamic" troublemaker", whereas neither Ha'aretz nor anyone in this thread put Muslims under general suspicion. Yes, what you describe is most certainly a problem (you see, I'm really not trying to argue here, it's more that I'm unsatisfied with the assumptions and implications that surface alongside the discussion), but in this case everyone stuck to the facts, namely that this guy is a demagogue labeling himself, his ideology and his movement "Islamic". End of story.

     

    As for the Nazi comparison: Alienating a group of people is one thing, but putting them up for extermination and casually using the process of extermination as the fuel for economy is something else, something that is entirely different. Nazism cannot be defined by such basic categories like "us vs. them", because the entire system itself was a mess and a constant struggle for power that furthered the antagonism that caused it. Jews were not killed because of their religion, but because of their identification with the sphere of circulation, which as well was eliminated in the process. German war economy had no market, because the "personification of the market" was enslaved and worked to death, or - if not suitable for the latter - killed instantly. Nazism used these techniques of domination you describe, but these techniquies are by no means adequate characteristics of National Socialism. (Just in case anyone is interested: Go read Franz Neumann's Behemoth. The guy worked for OSS during WW2.)

     

    BTW, I don't thinks it's the differences between humans (no matter if individuals or groups) that cause problems, it is "bad" egalitarianism and/or difference without reconciliation.

  11. Posted · Edited by wilco

    Oh c'mon... This guy is the head of the Islamic Movement in Israel, a movement that promotes Islam as a means of opposition to the State of Israel. In this case "Islamic" is a selfimposed description, not a shady description by "The Zionist Lobby, Inc.", Ha'aretz or anyone else. If anything, Ha'aretz refers to said political group, not to Islam in general (except for one of the tags below the headline).

     

    Religion is not a stamp. And the more you make it a stamp the more people treat it like that. Nothing good can come of it. Just look at WW2. When Jew was a stamp and only bad things were associated with them because of Nazi propaganda. "Jews destroyed the german economy, we are poor because of the jew" How is this any different?

     

    Well, Auschwitz, Bergen-Belsen, Treblinka, Chelmno, Sobibor, slave labour for the monopolized war economy, and so on. So yeah, how's that any different? :blink: See, that's why Nazi comparisons don't necessarily further one's point.

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    Oh, the outrage... :grin: Despite the tree issue (which seems to be more of a non-issue after TK's announcement) I like the patch very much.

     

    As for the WEP: Isn't the "WEPTimeLimit=300.0" (that would be the 5min of available WEP you can read about in most sources) supposed to limit the time/amount of available water/methanol/air/whatever? I'm not sure how that translates into engine failure, although you could argue that the engine is likely to be wrecked after using up all of the available WEP.

  20. Posted

    He won't even go to jail, as he's to old and his defense is going to appeal the conviction... :[ Also, I find it very disturbing that the defense claims that Demjanjuk himself is a victim of the Nazis since he was recruited from a POW camp, placing him on the same level as the Jewish Sonderkommandos, despite the fact that the Trawniki guards were armed and trained in executions.

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