WOI MASTER 0 Posted April 21, 2009 In the war The UK never atacked argentinian mainland but in the geme we might if we want. will we be able to do that? will there be reppercussions? good luck!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SUICIDAL 401 Posted April 22, 2009 I understand England try to attack bases on the continent. For example you got the operation Mikado where SAS command tried to attack Ushuaia. To eliminate the threat posed by the Super Etendard. Suspicious appearance. The remains of the Sea King helicopter, dropped in 1982 in Punta Arenas. We now know that was part of Operation Mikado. After you got the operation to be treated to dig to free the prisoners of war from April 2. Command amphibians in which attempted to attack Comodoro Rivadavia for free. Which was a failure because the area had over 10 thousand soldiers. And then you got the Black Buck operations. In which Avro Vulcan long-range bombers attempted to attack radars in the continent whit misiles Shrike. Thanks to our Brazilian friends that did not happen. Saludos Marcos Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+SkippyBing 8 Posted April 22, 2009 In which Avro Vulcan long-range bombers attempted to attack radars in the continent whit misiles Shrike.Thanks to our Brazilian friends that did not happen. The Black Buck raids never targeted the mainland, the aircraft that landed in Brazil as I remember had to abort an AAR forcing it to divert to Brazil. I think it still had a missile on board because it had failed to launch it over the islands. Of course it might have been diplomatically more sensible to jettison the missile in international waters. Operation Mikado was pretty much a no go from the planning stage not just due to the lack of a decent OP to give intel on the presence of the Super Es. Getting C-130s in undetected was pretty much unfeasible which made the whole thing suicidal. My old base commander was the pilot of the Sea King incidentally. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SUICIDAL 401 Posted April 22, 2009 My old base commander was the pilot of the Sea King incidentally. WOW crazy! I say this if I had the balls well aligned. Flying under the Patagonian Andes in winter and with normal winds of 100 kilometers per hour. Really a great courage. it is true that the course lost in the midst of the storm? And to has not discover that Argentina army decided throw grenade inside to the helicopter . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+SkippyBing 8 Posted April 22, 2009 Not sure about the losing course bit, suffice to say it was always planned as a one way mission and to leave the helicopter so that it looked as if they hadn't dropped anyone off yet. Always worth remembering this was before GPS so the navigation must have been challenging to say the least. WOW crazy! I say this if I had the balls well aligned. Flying under the Patagonian Andes in winter and with normal winds of 100 kilometers per hour. Really a great courage. it is true that the course lost in the midst of the storm? And to has not discover that Argentina army decided throw grenade inside to the helicopter . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Silverbolt 104 Posted April 22, 2009 Thanks to us? not really, they've just reach our airspace...2 F-5Es intercepted but the undeducated pilots didn't respond the F-5 manuevers :-) the black buck rides , AFAIK, didn't had much sucess and they just focused in Malvinas defenses. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+SkippyBing 8 Posted April 22, 2009 2 F-5Es intercepted but the undeducated pilots didn't respond the F-5 manuevers Have you seen the view out of a Vulcan? They probably couldn't see the F-5s! Sounds like the bit in Phoenix Squadron when the Buccaneers returning from Belize get intercepted by some USAF F-102s (they'd already infringed US and Cuban airspace by this stage) and just deliberately didn't look at them until they'd gone away again. Seems a fairly valid tactic! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SUICIDAL 401 Posted April 25, 2009 Silverbolt It seems very sensible tactics. SkippyBing As for the GPS. I understand what you mean, our pilots were flying alone with compass, map and help from God Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisBV 30 Posted April 30, 2009 The Black Buck raids never targeted the mainland, the aircraft that landed in Brazil as I remember had to abort an AAR forcing it to divert to Brazil. I think it still had a missile on board because it had failed to launch it over the islands. Of course it might have been diplomatically more sensible to jettison the missile in international waters. They tried to jettison the missile before reaching the mainland but the jettison pyros failed to discard the weapon. The Vulcan carried four AGM-45s in dual pylons under the wings; two were used to take out a Skyguard radar (fire control radar for 35mm Oerlikon batteries) - one hit and one miss - and one was ditched over the ocean once the IFR probe of Vulcan XM597 broke during a refuelling attempt with the Victor tanker on its way back to Ascension. The remaining missile couldn't be jettisoned and the aircraft had to divert to Brazil with its ordnance still hanging off its wing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisBV 30 Posted April 30, 2009 the black buck rides , AFAIK, didn't had much sucess and they just focused in Malvinas defenses. I disagree. In terms of damage done to Argentine military infrastructure, capabilities or materiel, well, yes, the missions achieved marginally mediocre results (just one bomb hitting Port Stanley airport runway and failure to neutralise the ground-based AN/TPS-43 radar the Argentines relied on for the air picture) but the fact that the British proved that they could conduct strikes against targets in the Falklands from an airbase some 3,800 miles (6.100km) away struck fear in the Argentine high command and the decision was made to divert some valuable assets from the combat theatre of operations in order to defend the mainland against likely attacks of the sort on Argentine sovereign soil. As a result, fighters were pulled out of escort duties and placed in CAP missions over Argentine airbases and the quest for obtaining air superiority over the islands was abandoned. I believe had the British still had their old aircraft carriers HMS Eagle and HMS Ark Royal by the time of the Falklands invasion, perhaps one of the first actions of the day would have been taking out Argentine airbases and strategic targets in the mainland. Taking out runways, ammunition depots, perhaps even aircraft on the ground if possible. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Silverbolt 104 Posted April 30, 2009 actually, one Shrike couldn't be jettistoned and it stood in Brazil for study...i belive(an many brazilians as well) the shrike that was confiscated from this vulcan was the base for the MAR-1(Anti Radiation Missile 1) an national Build Anti radiation Missile, that is being exported to pakistain. also, in the report that i have here, the pilot demmand the crew to drop out any documentation inside the vulcan to atlantic ocean, because of that, the communication was poor , between the F-5s, the Ground Controll and the Vulcan... the jettistone door was localized in the pressurize cabin and it just could be opene once... , the noise was the bigger vilain in this history. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisBV 30 Posted April 30, 2009 actually, one Shrike couldn't be jettistoned and it stood in Brazil for study... Yes, that's correct, the aircraft landed with live ordnance on board (the remaining Shrike) and the crew and aircraft returned to the UK days later but the missile was seized by the Brazilian authorities. After all, it was a live missile on neutral soil i belive(an many brazilians as well) the shrike that was confiscated from this vulcan was the base for the MAR-1(Anti Radiation Missile 1) an national Build Anti radiation Missile, that is being exported to pakistain. Yes, I believe that as well also, in the report that i have here, the pilot demmand the crew to drop out any documentation inside the vulcan to atlantic ocean, because of that, the communication was poor , between the F-5s, the Ground Controll and the Vulcan...the jettistone door was localized in the pressurize cabin and it just could be opene once... , the noise was the bigger vilain in this history. That's correct, they were flying low level and dumping any classified/sensitive material overboard through the crew access hatch Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Planejunky 0 Posted September 27, 2009 As for the GPS. I understand what you mean, our pilots were flying alone with compass, map and help from God The funny thing was we still didn't have GPS during the first show in Iraq in 1991 either! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
