logan4 Posted October 15, 2012 Posted October 15, 2012 Hello Gents and Ladies! I'm working on a Mikoyan Ye-8 model and run into a little problem with the weapon stations and allocations. The basic version has 2 hardpoints like the MiG-21PF/PFM and due to different missiles if I look at the 60's/70's time frame it needs 4 different launch rails. Which is not a big deal and had made them. Where I run into the problem is that each rail type can be used for IRM's and also two of them for SAHM's. The rails are APU-7 (AA-1 IRM and beam rider), APU-R3R/S (AA-2 family), APU-60-1M (AA-8 family) and APU-13TM (R-13 versions). I did set up the legth and weights in the _data.ini and the number of weapons in the loadout.ini and they work somewhat correctly until I want to change something in the loadout menu. For example in year 1974, if the system started out with AA-2 atolls and I want to change to AA-8 aphid on one of the stations then it gives me 3-4 aphids on the that pylon, and also loads each launchrail due to the fact it meets each stations "LenghtLimit" requirement, being the smallest missile. I try to stick with stock weapons and the ones in question unfortunately they do not have "specificstationcodes" assigned in their data.inis. Bellow is the related _data.ini section for these stations [LeftWingStation] SystemType=WEAPON_STATION StationID=1 StationGroupID=1 StationType=EXTERNAL AttachmentPosition=-2.032,-0.261,-0.278 AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,0.0 LoadLimit=900.0 LengthLimit=4.2 AllowedWeaponClass=IRM,SAHM AttachmentType=WP,Soviet ModelNodeName=Pyl_Lmid PylonMass=60 PylondragArea=0.02 LaunchRailNodeName=Apu_R3C_L LaunchRailHeight=0.154 LaunchRailMass=25 [RightWingStation] SystemType=WEAPON_STATION StationID=2 StationGroupID=2 StationType=EXTERNAL AttachmentPosition=2.032,-0.261,-0.278 AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,0.0 LoadLimit=900.0 LengthLimit=4.2 AllowedWeaponClass=IRM,SAHM AttachmentType=WP,Soviet ModelNodeName=Pyl_Rmid PylonMass=60 PylondragArea=0.02 LaunchRailNodeName=Apu_R3C_R LaunchRailHeight=0.154 LaunchRailMass=25 [LeftWingStation1] SystemType=WEAPON_STATION StationID=8 StationGroupID=1 StationType=EXTERNAL AttachmentPosition=-2.032,-0.261,-0.278 AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,0.0 LoadLimit=300.0 LengthLimit=2.2 AllowedWeaponClass=IRM,2IR AttachmentType=WP,Soviet ModelNodeName=Pyl_Lmid PylonMass=60 PylondragArea=0.02 LaunchRailNodeName=Apu_60-1M_L LaunchRailHeight=0.164 LaunchRailMass=25 [RightWingStation1] SystemType=WEAPON_STATION StationID=9 StationGroupID=2 StationType=EXTERNAL AttachmentPosition=2.032,-0.261,-0.278 AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,0.0 LoadLimit=300.0 LengthLimit=2.2 AllowedWeaponClass=IRM,2IR AttachmentType=WP,Soviet ModelNodeName=Pyl_Rmid PylonMass=60 PylondragArea=0.02 LaunchRailNodeName=Apu_60-1M_R LaunchRailHeight=0.164 LaunchRailMass=25 [LeftWingStation1a] SystemType=WEAPON_STATION StationID=10 StationGroupID=1 StationType=EXTERNAL AttachmentPosition=-2.032,-0.261,-0.278 AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,0.0 LoadLimit=300.0 LengthLimit=2.5 AllowedWeaponClass=IRM,SAHM AttachmentType=WP,Soviet ModelNodeName=Pyl_Lmid PylonMass=60 PylondragArea=0.02 LaunchRailNodeName=Apu_7_L LaunchRailHeight=0.144 LaunchRailMass=25 [RightWingStation1a] SystemType=WEAPON_STATION StationID=11 StationGroupID=2 StationType=EXTERNAL AttachmentPosition=2.032,-0.261,-0.278 AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,0.0 LoadLimit=300.0 LengthLimit=2.5 AllowedWeaponClass=IRM,SAHM AttachmentType=WP,Soviet ModelNodeName=Pyl_Rmid PylonMass=60 PylondragArea=0.02 LaunchRailNodeName=Apu_7_R LaunchRailHeight=0.144 LaunchRailMass=25 Question is, is there a work around so without creating 4-16 weapon duplicates in the weapons folder (with station codes added), that the loadouts show up properly even if someone changes them in the loadout menu pont? Or simply I sould try to stick to one launch rail? Or can we set a minimum "lengthLimit" size for the weapon stations? this later would solve the problem I think. Any input will be appreciated. Thanks in advance! logan4 Quote
+FastCargo Posted October 16, 2012 Posted October 16, 2012 First, you can also constrain by DiameterLimit Second, because there are so few hardpoints, you can 'duplicate' weapon stations, for instance: [LeftWingStation] SystemType=WEAPON_STATION StationID=1 StationGroupID=1 StationType=EXTERNAL AttachmentPosition=-2.032,-0.261,-0.278 AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,0.0 LoadLimit=900.0 LengthLimit=4.2 AllowedWeaponClass=IRM,SAHM AttachmentType=WP,Soviet ModelNodeName=Pyl_Lmid PylonMass=60 PylondragArea=0.02 LaunchRailNodeName=Apu_R3C_L LaunchRailHeight=0.154 LaunchRailMass=25 to this: [LeftWingStationIRM] SystemType=WEAPON_STATION StationID=1 StationGroupID=1 StationType=EXTERNAL AttachmentPosition=-2.032,-0.261,-0.278 AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,0.0 LoadLimit=900.0 LengthLimit=4.2 AllowedWeaponClass=IRM AttachmentType=WP,Soviet ModelNodeName=Pyl_Lmid PylonMass=60 PylondragArea=0.02 LaunchRailNodeName=Apu_R3C_L LaunchRailHeight=0.154 LaunchRailMass=25 [LeftWingStationSAHM] SystemType=WEAPON_STATION StationID=2 StationGroupID=1 StationType=EXTERNAL AttachmentPosition=-2.032,-0.261,-0.278 AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,0.0 LoadLimit=900.0 LengthLimit=4.2 AllowedWeaponClass=SAHM AttachmentType=WP,Soviet ModelNodeName=Pyl_Lmid PylonMass=60 PylondragArea=0.02 LaunchRailNodeName=Apu_R3C_L LaunchRailHeight=0.154 LaunchRailMass=25 And use different LoadLimit, LengthLimit, and DiameterLimit for each one. FC Quote
logan4 Posted October 16, 2012 Author Posted October 16, 2012 (edited) Thanks FC! As of now I already have 4 stationgroupID groups, 1-1 for AAMs (for assimetric loadout possibility), 1 for bombs/rockets (symethric) and 1 for centerline (recon and ecm pod). I gonna try to fiddle with the separation of IRM, SAHM versions as you suggested and see what comes out. I can give 2 additional groupID-s for the larger (AA-3 and R-23 versions for late 60's and 70's). Based on the outcomes, probably will have to rethink how I arrange the planed MF (5 hardpoints), Bis/ML (7 hardpoints) Edited October 16, 2012 by logan4 Quote
logan4 Posted October 16, 2012 Author Posted October 16, 2012 Some update. The AA-1s seem to be sorted with the separate IRM, SAHM stations. The AA8s are still giving the sympthome but less seviere. The diameter settings are helping some stations, the best would be some minimum size limitation ability. Quote
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