canard/slat ini

[+76.IAP-Blackbird 3,557]

I try to figure out how to set canards as normal elevator and include a slat entry. I found this feature on the EF2000 and tried to reproduce it on some of the Suchois but it doesn`t work. What is the magic behind this?

[+Epizikl 7]

Interesting ...

You should see and understand ...

Edited August 3, 2009 by Epizikl

[Fubar512 1,350]

From the FM I created for Marcelo's Su-33 Sea Flanker

 

 

[LeftCanard]
ParentComponentName=Fuselage
ModelNodeName=Line01
DestroyedNodeName=
ShowFromCockpit=TRUE
DetachWhenDestroyed=TRUE
StructuralFactor=1.25
DamageRating=DISABLED
MassFraction=0.007
HasAeroCoefficients=TRUE
LiftSurface=TRUE
CLa=0.261
CD0=0.0004
CDL=0.0012
Cmq=-1.7825
Cmad=-0.8818
Cyb=-0.0109
Clp=-0.0025
Cnb=0.0055
CL0MachTableNumData=5
CL0MachTableDeltaX=0.40
CL0MachTableStartX=0.00
CL0MachTableData=0.986,1.000,1.037,1.020,1.051
CLaMachTableNumData=5
CLaMachTableDeltaX=0.40
CLaMachTableStartX=0.00
CLaMachTableData=1.001,1.000,0.979,0.910,0.938
CD0MachTableNumData=5
CD0MachTableDeltaX=0.40
CD0MachTableStartX=0.00
CD0MachTableData=1.825,1.000,1.028,2.494,2.773
CmqMachTableNumData=5
CmqMachTableDeltaX=0.40
CmqMachTableStartX=0.00
CmqMachTableData=0.971,1.000,1.107,1.261,0.873
ClpAlphaTableNumData=15
ClpAlphaTableDeltaX=4.00
ClpAlphaTableStartX=-28.00
ClpAlphaTableData=1.474,1.361,1.264,1.182,1.115,1.063,1.027,1.006,1.000,1.009,1.034,1.074,1.129,1.200,1.285
XacMachTableNumData=5
XacMachTableDeltaX=0.40
XacMachTableStartX=0.00
XacMachTableData=3.856,3.664,3.185,2.976,2.836
AlphaStall=38.0
AlphaMax=42.0
AlphaDepart=43.20
StallLiftTableNumData=37
StallLiftTableDeltaX=10.00
StallLiftTableStartX=-180.00
StallLiftTableData=0.000,-0.013,-0.028,-0.045,-0.061,-0.058,-0.050,-0.034,-0.014,0.000,0.018,0.053,0.100,0.149,0.215,0.260,0.362,0.564,0.959,0.623,0.385,0.281,0.224,0.177,0.126,0.079,0.040,0.000,-0.014,-0.034,-0.050,-0.058,-0.061,-0.045,-0.028,-0.013,0.000
StallDragTableNumData=37
StallDragTableDeltaX=10.00
StallDragTableStartX=-180.00
StallDragTableData=0.001,0.008,0.021,0.043,0.082,0.123,0.171,0.227,0.292,0.367,0.451,0.562,0.689,0.825,0.937,1.018,1.142,1.122,1.000,1.122,1.142,1.018,0.937,0.825,0.689,0.562,0.451,0.367,0.292,0.227,0
.171,0.123,0.082,0.043,0.021,0.008,0.001
StallXacShiftTableNumData=37
StallXacShiftTableDeltaX=10.00
StallXacShiftTableStartX=-180.00
StallXacShiftTableData=-0.303,-0.303,-0.259,-0.233,-0.230,-0.221,-0.206,-0.190,-0.168,-0.151,-0.135,-0.113,-0.097,-0.082,-0.073,-0.070,-0.044,0.000,0.000,0.000,-0.044,-0.070,-0.073,-0.082,-0.097,-0.113,-0.135,-0.151,-0.168,-0.190,-0.206,-0.221,-0.230,-0.233,-0.259,-0.303,-0.303
DownwashAlphaTableNumData=37
DownwashAlphaTableDeltaX=10.00
DownwashAlphaTableStartX=-180.00
DownwashAlphaTableData=0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,-0.000,-1.692,-3.333,-4.872,-6.264,-7.465,-8.439,-9.157,-4.794,0.400,5.583,9.909,9.133,8.078,6.778,5.273,3.607,1.831,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000
Chord=1.93
Ymac=-1.19
MovingSurface=TRUE
ControlSystemID=1
StructuralFactor=1.00
MinExtentPosition=  -1.2907,-1.6681,0.0000
MaxExtentPosition=   1.2907, 1.6681,0.2600
CollisionPoint[001]=
CollisionPoint[002]=
SystemName[001]=LeftCan

[RightCanard]
ParentComponentName=Fuselage
ModelNodeName=Line30
DestroyedNodeName=
ShowFromCockpit=TRUE
DetachWhenDestroyed=TRUE
StructuralFactor=1.25
DamageRating=DISABLED
MassFraction=0.007
HasAeroCoefficients=TRUE
LiftSurface=TRUE
CLa=0.261
CD0=0.0004
CDL=0.0012
Cmq=-1.7825
Cmad=-0.8818
Cyb=-0.0109
Clp=-0.0025
Cnb=0.0055
CL0MachTableNumData=5
CL0MachTableDeltaX=0.40
CL0MachTableStartX=0.00
CL0MachTableData=0.986,1.000,1.037,1.020,1.051
CLaMachTableNumData=5
CLaMachTableDeltaX=0.40
CLaMachTableStartX=0.00
CLaMachTableData=1.001,1.000,0.979,0.910,0.938
CD0MachTableNumData=5
CD0MachTableDeltaX=0.40
CD0MachTableStartX=0.00
CD0MachTableData=1.825,1.000,1.028,2.494,2.773
CmqMachTableNumData=5
CmqMachTableDeltaX=0.40
CmqMachTableStartX=0.00
CmqMachTableData=0.971,1.000,1.107,1.261,0.873
ClpAlphaTableNumData=15
ClpAlphaTableDeltaX=4.00
ClpAlphaTableStartX=-28.00
ClpAlphaTableData=1.474,1.361,1.264,1.182,1.115,1.063,1.027,1.006,1.000,1.009,1.034,1.074,1.129,1.200,1.285
XacMachTableNumData=5
XacMachTableDeltaX=0.40
XacMachTableStartX=0.00
XacMachTableData=XacMachTableData=3.856,3.664,3.185,2.976,2.836
AlphaStall=38.0
AlphaMax=42.0
AlphaDepart=43.20
StallLiftTableNumData=37
StallLiftTableDeltaX=10.00
StallLiftTableStartX=-180.00
StallLiftTableData=0.000,-0.013,-0.028,-0.045,-0.061,-0.058,-0.050,-0.034,-0.014,0.000,0.018,0.053,0.100,0.149,0.215,0.260,0.362,0.564,0.959,0.623,0.385,0.281,0.224,0.177,0.126,0.079,0.040,0.000,-0.014,-0.034,-0.050,-0.058,-0.061,-0.045,-0.028,-0.013,0.000
StallDragTableNumData=37
StallDragTableDeltaX=10.00
StallDragTableStartX=-180.00
StallDragTableData=0.001,0.008,0.021,0.043,0.082,0.123,0.171,0.227,0.292,0.367,0.451,0.562,0.689,0.825,0.937,1.018,1.142,1.122,1.000,1.122,1.142,1.018,0.937,0.825,0.689,0.562,0.451,0.367,0.292,0.227,0
.171,0.123,0.082,0.043,0.021,0.008,0.001
StallXacShiftTableNumData=37
StallXacShiftTableDeltaX=10.00
StallXacShiftTableStartX=-180.00
StallXacShiftTableData=-0.303,-0.303,-0.259,-0.233,-0.230,-0.221,-0.206,-0.190,-0.168,-0.151,-0.135,-0.113,-0.097,-0.082,-0.073,-0.070,-0.044,0.000,0.000,0.000,-0.044,-0.070,-0.073,-0.082,-0.097,-0.113,-0.135,-0.151,-0.168,-0.190,-0.206,-0.221,-0.230,-0.233,-0.259,-0.303,-0.303
DownwashAlphaTableNumData=37
DownwashAlphaTableDeltaX=10.00
DownwashAlphaTableStartX=-180.00
DownwashAlphaTableData=0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,-0.000,-1.692,-3.333,-4.872,-6.264,-7.465,-8.439,-9.157,-4.794,0.400,5.583,9.909,9.133,8.078,6.778,5.273,3.607,1.831,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000,0.000
Chord=1.93
Ymac=1.19
MovingSurface=TRUE
ControlSystemID=1
StructuralFactor=1.00
MinExtentPosition=  
MaxExtentPosition=   
CollisionPoint[001]= 
CollisionPoint[002]=
SystemName[001]=RightCan


[LeftCan]
SystemType=HIGHLIFT_DEVICE
CLiftdc=-0.665
CDdc=0.024
Cmdc=-0.0001
DeltaStallAlpha=6.39
AreaRatio=4.013
DeploymentMethod=AUTOMATIC_ANGLE_OF_ATTACK
Setting[1].Angle=-20
Setting[1].DeployValue=37.7
Setting[1].RetractValue=36.7
Setting[2].Angle=-51
Setting[2].DeployValue=40.8
Setting[2].RetractValue=37.8
MaxDeflection=-50.0
MinDeflection=0.0
RotationAxis=X-AXIS  
ControlRate=1.5
MaxControlSpeed= 255.0
ModelNodeName=Line01 


[RightCan]
SystemType=HIGHLIFT_DEVICE
CLiftdc=-0.665
CDdc=0.024
Cmdc=-0.0001
DeltaStallAlpha=6.39
AreaRatio=4.013
DeploymentMethod=AUTOMATIC_ANGLE_OF_ATTACK
Setting[1].Angle=-20
Setting[1].DeployValue=37.7
Setting[1].RetractValue=36.7
Setting[2].Angle=-51
Setting[2].DeployValue=40.8
Setting[2].RetractValue=37.8
MaxDeflection=-50.0
MinDeflection=0.0
RotationAxis=X-AXIS 
ControlRate=1.5
MaxControlSpeed= 255.0
ModelNodeName=Line30
ReverseModelOrientation=TRUE

[+Epizikl 7]

For example, I liked the implementation of management (a joint - engine inlet and aerodynamic rudders), performed on a model T-50 (!).

I want to look into it and try to apply the model of Su-37 ...

Edited August 3, 2009 by Epizikl

[+76.IAP-Blackbird 3,557]

thanks fubar will try it ;-)

[Fubar512 1,350]

wait, you want it to work as both a stab and an automatic device? That will work only if the model has it as two animations, sort of like the A-10s ailerons/split airbarkes, or the Su-27's Flaperons.

[+76.IAP-Blackbird 3,557]

Does it need a seperate animation slot? It`s only listet as canards/elevators. I Try to work it out for my Su-33UB, the LOD is partly destroyed so I test it on anothre bird. When I have repaired it I could send it to you if you like

[+Epizikl 7]

wait, you want it to work as both a stab and an automatic device? That will work only if the model has it as two animations, sort of like the A-10s ailerons/split airbarkes, or the Su-27's Flaperons.

 

 

Of course (!)

This will be possible if the model itself is the animation of these devices ...

[FastCargo 412]

Or you can have an invisible 'link' so that a single flight control can have 2 forces working on it (one as an automatic device, one as a elevator). Don't even need to use a hardcoded animation slot.

 

FC

[+76.IAP-Blackbird 3,557]

Do I need to set it up in max or can I ini edit it? This sounds interesting for me.

[FastCargo 412]

If you decide to go the 'invisible link', you will have to put it into MAX. The idea is that the 'link' will have the same pivot point as the flight control surface, but will be linked between the body and the flight control.

 

Or, as a better example in a hierarchy:

 

Fuselage

-Canard Link

--Canard

 

Assign the "Canard Link" as a Aileron and the "Canard" as an Elevator, and now you have a control that visually 'blends' both inputs.

 

FC

[+76.IAP-Blackbird 3,557]

thanks for this answer, this is a good explanation, will check it out.

 

best regards

 

Martin