+paulopanz Posted December 19, 2010 Posted December 19, 2010 View File Meteor F.8 X 8 Skin Pack Meteor F.8 (TW exp.1) Skin '8' pack All historical numbers. Quite simple silver/camo dressings. 1 RDAF 4 KLU 3 BAF Simply put all in your main mod folder. I made these hoping that they could fly in our '50 campaigns ... .... and someone like them. Yours Paulopanz 17.12.10 Submitter paulopanz Submitted 12/19/2010 Category Meteor Quote
FrankD Posted December 20, 2010 Posted December 20, 2010 (edited) Good job paulopanz! However, there's a little something I would like to mention about the BAF 13° Wg. Camo (BAFCamo1)'s NUMBERS.LST that sets the squadron's code to B2. This code belonging to the Target Towing Flight, it doesn't fit very well to a Fighter wing. As, from the 13th Wing, you already have the 33° SQ. (code MS), you are left with the 25th SQ. (code K5) and the 29th SQ. (code VT). Though please note that the 33° SQ. have been disbanded in May 1957 and the remaining 25° and 29° squadrons were disbanded in July 1958, effectively ending the operational Meteor F.8's career amongst the BAF. About the registration numbers, EG-20 to EG-119, I can tell you what was the squadron code of each aircraft if you want to go a little bit deeper in historicity. By the way, at that era, there was a thin light blue edging on the Belgian roundel, as it can be seen on the below picture: This nice pic can be seen at http://www.ailes-militaires-belges.be and others can also be seen at http://belmilac.wetp...ster+Meteor+F.8 As a side note for the the campaign builder, be advised that the NATO camo scheme started to be painted on the planes from the second half of 1956 but a few silver scheme were still seen in the years after. Cheers Edited December 20, 2010 by FrankD Quote
Spinners Posted December 20, 2010 Posted December 20, 2010 By the way, at that era, there was a thin light blue edging on the Belgian roundel... Apologies for going OT but what is this significance of this pale blue colour to Belgium? For example, I've noticed that the Belgium cycling team wear this colour even though it's not part of their national flag. Quote
FrankD Posted December 20, 2010 Posted December 20, 2010 (edited) Hello Spinners, on the roundels and on the Air Force's flag, as far as I know, it's in memoriam to the Belgian section of the Royal Air Force. Not sure about the cycling team though. Here is the official story: The history of the Belgian Air Force banner PS: it seems that the "retro blue" colour used by the Cycling Team isn't linked to the Air Force, I'll contact them to confirm but I haven't found any relation on their website. Edited December 20, 2010 by FrankD Quote
+paulopanz Posted December 21, 2010 Author Posted December 21, 2010 (edited) Hi FrankD very proud of Your interest. Every historical addiction is always wellcome. In fact I found only wing 13 num and not the squadron and had some dubt ... but the picture was so nice. The 7th and 33th were ok? As far I know this'ld be BAF Meteor F8 full line up in 1956: 4 Smaldeel 1 Wing Bevekom 349 350 7 Smaldeel 7 Wing Chièvres 8 9 25 Smaldeel 13 Wing Brustem 29 33 If You have numbers, pictures and references we could do almost ALL (I'm a little encyclopedical ..), if You like. Please PM to me. PS: I dream about an ugly, but so nice, duck: blackfly's CF-100 Chanuck in BAF dressings, too. Edited December 21, 2010 by paulopanz Quote
FrankD Posted December 21, 2010 Posted December 21, 2010 Buongiorno paulopanz, you are right about the 1st and 13th Wings but in 1956, the 7th Wing were on Hunter F.4, as far as I know of course. http://combatace.com/topic/60951-sf2-europe-expansion-2-campaign-flyable-aircraft-tweak-11-nato/page__view__findpost__p__459500 I'll PM you the references I have about the Meteor. Cheers Quote
+paulopanz Posted December 21, 2010 Author Posted December 21, 2010 Bonjour (and here finish almost all my French ... ) Frank these are BAF the OOBs I have taken from Midland book: ... but You just remembered to me Hunters: I remade from TMF only 7^ Smaldeel sometimes ago, but now why to limit us? Let's make the hunters, too! Help me. Quote
FrankD Posted December 21, 2010 Posted December 21, 2010 (edited) Hello paulopanz, yes, this orbat is from "Belgian Military Aviation, 1945-1977 by Paul A. Jackson", a very nice source, especially from that time. From the 1st January to November 1956, they have been some changes, that's why the orbat I suggested is a bit different. The below websites are good sources too and I also use a book in Flemish that list all crafts flown by the BAF from 1945 to 2007, "Luchtstrijdkrachten België" by Daniel Brackx, whom also manage the last website listed. To make your work easier, I'm gonna list each aircraft's squadron code in a table sorted by squadron rather than by serial numbers, as they are in the book. Expect it in a few days. http://www.ailes-militaires-belges.be http://www.baha.be http://belmilac.wetpaint.com/ The F-84F is already receiving some care from an experienced skinner so, yeah, if you want to offer a nice dress to the Hunter, that would be great. 1956 is the year the BAF reached its paroxysm, since in 1957 squadrons started to be disbanded, and in these years, circa 1955, it was somewhat the only Western European Air force totally focused on the Central European theater, Great-Britain, France and Netherlands being busy in their colonies. PS: these are F.4 but the roundels can be clearly seen (1949) In 1952, and so on the F.8, as seen below, the wing roundel's shape were different though: About mixed metal and NATO camo schemes, here are F.8 flight lines Source: http://www.sergebonfond.be/ @ Spinners: I called the Belgian Cyclism League (http://www.belgiancycling.be) and they weren't able to give me a firm answer, the guy who could have being in holiday. I'll call them again early January 2011 and will keep you informed. Edited December 21, 2010 by FrankD Quote
+paulopanz Posted December 21, 2010 Author Posted December 21, 2010 Wov! I never saw that roundel! It'ld be easy to make ... I wait Your tables. What about the badge on engines? Could we found it in good color picture? Quote
FrankD Posted December 22, 2010 Posted December 22, 2010 I'm no expert at badges but it's probably the Squadron's insignia, the Eagle. Here are the Belgian squadron's insignias, from the horse's mouth. Air Component Subject Squadron insignia Cheers Quote
FrankD Posted December 26, 2010 Posted December 26, 2010 (edited) Meteor F.8 in Belgian service, Interceptor role, squadron codes. In the Belgian Air Force, the Meteor F.8 have been used in operational service from March 1951 to July 1958 and have been used in a target towing role until 1963, first at Sylt (Germany) and then at Solenzara (Corsica). Please note that because of the everyday life's hazard, an aircraft often worn several squadron codes during its service time. On the other hand, several aircrafts never received any code (as far as my sources know). In other words, there's no logic in there. ;) 1st Wing (Beauvechain) 4th Sqn (from ??/??, 1953 to November ??, 1956) SV-A EG-39, EG-100 SV-B EG-140, EG-252 SV-D EG-236, EG-247 SV-E EG-251 SV-G EG-171, EG-172 SV-I EG-45, EG-250 SV-J EG-257 SV-K EG-50 SV-M EG-243 SV-N EG-241 SV-O EG-244, EG-245, EG-248 SV-P EG-148 SV-Q EG-254 SV-S EG-255 SV-U EG-258 SV-W EG-249 SV-Y EG-253 SV-Z EG-256 349th Sqn (from ??/??, 1953 to November ??, 1956) GE-A EG-204, EG-234 GE-D EG-105, EG-141 GE-F EG-204, EG-228 GE-G EG-51, EG-229 GE-H EG-237 GE-I EG-13 GE-J EG-169, EG-242 GE-K EG-224, EG-236, EG-241 GE-L EG-121 GE-M EG-225, EG-239 GE-O EG-233 GE-R EG-235 GE-S EG-238 GE-V EG-101 GE-W EG-91, EG-172 GE-Y EG-232 GE-Z EG-173, EG-179 350th Sqn (from May 9, 1951 to November ??, 1956) MN-A EG-45, EG-145, EG-212, EG-244 MN-B EG-76, EG-168, EG-169, EG-207 MN-C EG-93, EG-209, EG-220 MN-D EG-13, EG-120, EG-170, EG-210 MN-E EG-12, EG-90, EG-201 MN-F EG-97, EG-205, EG-242 MN-G EG-51, EG-95, EG-146 MN-H EG-119, EG-202 MN-I EG-203 MN-K EG-50, EG-204, EG-244 MN-L EG-142 MN-L EG-206 MN-M EG-92, EG-219 MN-N EG-160 MN-O EG-94, EG-167 MN-P EG-98, EG-208, EG-233 MN-R EG-103, EG-211 MN-S EG-10, EG-61, EG-218 MN-T EG-213 MN-V EG-214 MN-X EG-215 MN-Y EG-104, EG-216 MN-Z EG-171, EG-217 13th Wing (Brustem) 25th Sqn (from December 28, 1953 to July 1, 1958) K5-A EG-34, EG-94, EG-145, EG-254 K5-D EG-259 K5-E EG-89, EG-250 K5-F EG-10 K5-G EG-143 K5-H EG-17, EG-114 K5-J EG-73, EG-178 K5-K EG-124, EG-162, EG-224 K5-L EG-52, EG-249 K5-M EG-228 K5-O EG-87 K5-P EG-230 K5-Q EG-42 K5-R EG-109 K5-S EG-220 K5-T EG-236 K5-U EG-68 K5-V EG-112 K5-W EG-24, EG-241 K5-Y EG-233 K5-Z EG-214 29th Sqn (from December 28, 1953 to July 1, 1958) VT-A EG-99 VT-D EG-255 VT-E EG-36, EG-38, EG-90 VT-F EG-164 VT-G EG-34 VT-J EG-175 VT-K EG-28, EG-207 VT-N EG-252 VT-P EG-240 VT-Q EG-41 VT-R EG-45 VT-Z EG-19 33th Sqn (from December 28, 1953 to May 2, 1957) MS-A EG-101, EG-127 MS-C EG-113 MS-D EG-118, EG-259 MS-F EG-67 MS-G EG-47 MS-K EG-72 MS-L EG-33 MS-M EG-59 7th Wing (Chièvres) 7th Sqn (from March 1, 1951 to June 12, 1956) 7J-. EG-26 7J-A EG-7, EG-39, EG-66 7J-B EG-11, EG-64, EG-146 7J-C EG-15, EG-34, EG-155 7J-D EG-13 7J-E EG-17 7J-F EG-9, EG-58 7J-G EG-19, EG-52, EG-73 7J-H EG-37, EG-70, EG-145 7J-J EG-31, EG-49, EG-62 7J-K EG-55, EG-69 7J-L EG-122 7J-L EG-29 7J-N EG-65, EG-77 7J-O EG-130 7J-P EG-18, EG-71 7J-Q EG-161 7J-R EG-16, EG-56, EG-150 7J-S EG-8 7J-T EG-28 7J-V EG-6, EG-27 7J-X EG-14 8th Sqn (from July 16, 1951 to November 1, 1956) OV-. EG-1 OV-A EG-3, EG-164 OV-B EG-32 OV-C EG-25 OV-D EG-5 OV-E EG-40 OV-J EG-178 OV-M EG-23 OV-N EG-136 OV-P EG-4, EG-152 OV-Q EG-2 OV-R EG-75 OV-S EG-146 9th Sqn (from March 17, 1952 to March 15, 1957) S2-B EG-132 S2-E EG-20 S2-L EG-46 S2-M EG-96 S2-O EG-19, EG-139, EG-180 Voila. There are other units that rode the Meteor but it was episodically, the Bierset's 9th Wing for example, or not in a combat role so I haven't included them. Sources: "Luchtstrijdkrachten België, Vliegtuig- en registratieoverzicht 1945-2007" by Daniel Brackx http://www.ailes-militaires-belges.be Edited January 1, 2011 by FrankD Quote
FrankD Posted January 5, 2011 Posted January 5, 2011 (edited) Apologies for going OT but what is this significance of this pale blue colour to Belgium? For example, I've noticed that the Belgium cycling team wear this colour even though it's not part of their national flag. Hello Spinners, it have been confirmed by the Sport's Secretary of the Belgian Cycling Team, there's no relation between the colours of the Air Force's flag and the cycling team's shirt. For the latter, the colour exist "from as far as I can remember", quoting the man I've been in touch with. He have no idea about the origin of that colour though, which is officialy known as "retro blue". Have a nice day Edited January 5, 2011 by FrankD Quote
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