Argentine Pucara

ODBTuv, I agree with you 100%.I lost track of this one and it went south fast.ANY MORE,and I mean just 1 more political or DISRESPECTFUL comment against ANY government,military,or person then this one will be locked.Combatace is one of the few forums that would allow this thread to stay open this far.BUT you're pushing it.The origional question stands but stay with it.PERIOD!FINAL warning.

Here' one:

"I hope the developer can show he is working closely with authentic British sources of information and is not involved with the propaganda that is still prevelant in the less-developed World."

well at least the war is an example of how wars should be fought. when these argentine imperials (im sure that term will amuse our argentine friends here) came in, they didnt go round ravaging the place. they shat in some peoples baths and stuff for not feeding them, but there was none of the usual harshness you hear of in the news.

 

near zero civ casualties. bit of a shame for the argentine conscripts though - who should really have been in college or something. but as wars go, it was cleanly done.

 

none of this 100,000 civ casualties that the lancet projects in iraq and all that.

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By the way, the only civilian casualties during the conflict were caused by British shelling. In the other hand, neither side really had controvertial war crimes( Exept maybe for the sinking of the Belgrano which was 30 miles out of the war zone, some claims that prisoners were executed at Goose Green and Mount. Longdon and in the Argentine's side, stealing sheep from herders to eat, none of these are really controvertial though, like Katyn or the war crimes being made by the US troops in Iraq, which claim to be freeing the Iraqis from the "insurgents", which are actually Iraq's own people whom are trying to get rid of the invaders who bombed their capital and killed 250,000 of them a decade ago.) It was a pretty clean war compared to what we've been witnessing in the last two decades.

Couldnt you just add a moving head.??

 

If the aircraft is pulling up the pilot is looking in an upward direction.

Or when a aircraft locks on to a target he looks in that direction.

 

This could work, cos most of the time you would be too far away to see other pilots looking at you. BUT, if youre in a dogfight and overshoot your target, crossing over canopy to canopy you would be looking at eachother.

 

The players pilots head would look in the direction you put your view towards.

 

In the end I think this would be better suited to a WW2 sim, but still would be nice.

 

P.S.

Did I miss this...

what ver of Harrier is in this conflict ? (AV-8A/GR-MK3/GR-MK7/etc)

Looks like Sea Harier AV-8B

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The Harriers featured in this conflict were the Gr.3 Harrier and the Sea Harrier FRS. 1. By the way, the Harrier AV-8B didn't enter service until 1985 and was developed by McDonnell Douglas Aircraft in the United States.

Seems like a pretty nice film, and those special effects look pretty realistic for a third world country like mine. By the way, wich ground battle does it feature?

a number of argentine aircraft were destroyed on the 1st of may

 

Saturday 1st May

 

    [a2, a3, a4] - One Pucara of FAA Grupo 3 destroyed and two more damaged and not repaired at Goose Green by CBU's dropped in attack by No.800 Sea Harriers flown by Lt Cmdr Frederiksen, Lt Hale and Lt McHarg RN (8.25 am). Lt Jukic killed in the destroyed aircraft.

 

    [a5] - Mirage IIIEA of FAA Grupo 8 shot down north of West Falkland by Flt Lt Barton RAF in No.801 Sea Harrier using Sidewinder (4.10 pm). Lt Perona ejects safely.

 

    [a6] - Mirage IIIEA of FAA Grupo 8 damaged in same incident north of West Falkland by Lt Thomas RN in No.801 Sea Harrier using Sidewinder. Then shot down over Stanley by own AA defences (4.15 pm). and Capt Cuerva killed

 

    [a7] - Dagger A of FAA Grupo 6 shot down over East Falkland by Flt Lt Penfold RAF in No.800 Sea Harrier using Sidewinder (4.40 pm). Lt Ardiles killed.

 

    [a8] - Canberra B.62 of FAA Grupo 2 shot down north of Falklands by Lt Curtiss RN in No.801 Sea Harrier using Sidewinder (5.45 pm). Lt Ibanez and Gonzalez eject but are not rescued.

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I'm only talking about the losses in Port Stanley and Capt. Cuerva's Mirage III was not shot down by a sidewinder.

Errr... where did I say those words? You're confusing me! 

 

I'm too lazy to read more than 3 times what i wrote ... I cannot find any comments about a "disastrous event" or about Cuerva's Mirage.

 

Maybe you quoted me by mistake? Don't make me read all other people's posts from weeks ago! I'm too lazy! 

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:) My bad, that was MBot.

As far as i have read the decission to keep the Mirage III in the continent was to protect the air bases in the Patagonia. You all know that the Super Etendard bases in Rio Gallegos were a primary target for spec ops and Vulcans, as well as the 2 KC-130 tankers. If an air raid was not attempted it probaly was either because of political reasons (the exclusion zone set by UK did not included the mainland) or because of the limited success probabilities.

 

The "significant part" of Argentina, that you mention in your post, was imho the air bases in the south. With the 2 KC-130 Hercules tankers the FAA had and the 4 Super Etendard with 1 Exocet each being destroyed on the ground, the air war is over over the islands. Of course, a Vulcan mission over the air bases would have been very complicated and somewhat suicidal. What if the Vulcans flew from Chile? (or could land in Chile after a mission?) Or what if Chile entered the conflict on UK's side? What if there was a conflict between Argentina and Chile after the conflict with UK had stopped? (it was very possible at the time). Those Mirage III were needed for air base protection, not for fighter sweeps or escorting missions. It also had to be preserved for an eventual conflict with Chile. Imho, it was a very rational call, although I do not think the Mirage III pilots liked the decission.

 

I'll look for some argentinian sources, but i think i'll probably find some british sources about this first. By the way, I did not say that the Mirage III were moved "North".The Mirage III remained in their southern bases, but stopped flying over the islands.

 

EDIT: added the lat paragraph.

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What do you mean with the disastrous event if only one Mirage III was shot down in air to air combat during May 1(Out of the Mirage IIIs that is of course)?( If your adding Cuerva's Mirage III, you should know that he was accidently shot down by the Argentine Artillery fire. By the way only a Dagger and a Mirage III were destroyed in combat that day.

Hi everyone, it's been a while since I've done anything in this forum.

I know it might as well be kind of late to say this , but I just wanted to get some facts straight. First of all Bob, the British actually brought 28 Sea Harriers not 20(However, they did start the war with 20)and 14 Harriers and about the air to air kills three of those air to air kills haven't been confirmed so I strongly believe that if you count the British unconfirmed air to air kills you might as well count the Argentine ones. :)

You can believe what you like I couldn't give a toss.

 

How many times did you claim to sink our aircraft carriers ?

 

We one you lost

 

And heres a reminder of the flag thats flying over Stanley !

 

http://www.visualbliss.co.uk/themes/unionjacks.htm

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For how long.

Nothing beats an A-4B showing off at Bomb Alley!!!

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The A-4B were helpful to Argentina during the Falklands War, they sunk three British ships and damaged and sveral others.

no that was that 707

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Don't blame me, Mothman said it was an Aermacchi.

:) A Pucara can carry up to 12 Mk82.(3 below each wing and 6 below it's cockpit) :ph34r: :ph34r: :ph34r:

Hey Baco-ECv56, if you want to get down and dirty you might as well go for the Pucara. They can fly way lower than the Super Etendard and Dagger. Besides they can carry up to 7 rocket pods and have a lot of fire power since they have four 7.12mm cannons with 270 rpg and two 20mm cannons with 900 rpg. :ph34r: :ph34r: :ph34r:

Does anybody know if the British Sidewinders ability to follow heat works with Pucaras? As far as I know the only Pucara to be shot down in air to air combat was shot down by cannon fire(2 by surface to air missiles, 1 due to ground fire, another one was shot down by a Sea Harrier, 11 were captured and 9 were destroyed due to accidents and bombs). I'm not sure weather they work or not cz the Pucaras don't seem to produce heat since they're propellers. :ph34r: :ph34r: :ph34r:

I just looked for it at a website. I know that talks about bombs and as far as I read it seems like they were used by the British Vulcans during the Falklands War. (The website is called www.vectorsite.net/twbomb2.html if you want to read it.) :ph34r: :ph34r: :ph34r:

I've heard that the the FAA is working on a new project to improve the IA-58

Pucara. From what I know their planning to make a version similar to the IA-58B Pucara, but with some upgrades that were given to the IA-58C Pucara,a better armour and they're gonna call it IA-58D Pucara. However, this project has slowed down because of Argentina's economic problems. :( :ph34r: :ph34r: :ph34r:

Where did you see the Aermacchi? :ph34r: :ph34r: :ph34r:

As for the Dagger, I must admit that they were pretty usefull to the Argentines during the Falklands War since an Argentine captain called Donadille shot down a Sea Harrier while flying his Dagger. :ph34r: :ph34r: :ph34r: :ph34r: :D

If an Aermacchi pilot showed guts by spotting the Britsh fleet, then I guess we should give the credit to the pilot instead of the Aermacchi he was flying. Anyway the main point is that the Aermacchi weren't of much use during the Falklands war. :ph34r: :ph34r: :ph34r: :P

Well at least the Super Etendards destroyed several British ships with their exocet missiles. Besides what did the Aermacchis do anyway? As far as I know the only thing they did was get shot down by the British while trying to destroy ships with their little guns. :ph34r: :ph34r: :ph34r:

You can still vote for them by voting for other if they're not there. Besides, only nine of them were used in the Falklands. :ph34r::ph34r: :ph34r:

Go ahead and vote for your favorite. As for me I'm deciding between the Super Etendard or the IA-58 Pucara. :ph34r: :ph34r: :ph34r:

It looks like a pretty cool mod!

That was one stupid propaganda right there. :ph34r: :ph34r: :ph34r: