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I found it on line, I won't be buying a print, as it seems the only place that actually sells there get $445.00 for them. Here's a couple more for ya.

S! Let me check with the guys of the US 95th. will see what I can find out for you.

I did try try the SP and enjoyed it, It gave me a chance to learn the aircraft, in both missions, campain, career, and the fly now, I shot up plains, trains, and automobiles(no really). As for OFF, I am sorry but I won't be trying it. If i want to play a WW1 sim I have 3 in RoF, RB3D, with the promised land free mod and SDOE with the WW1 mod.

First about my review, I feel it was done in a matter that was fair, and from my point of view accurate. Yes it is a work in progess, that's why there have been 16 updates with more on the way. As for sim out there that are better, in the WW1 cat.? I haven't seen one. I still enjoy RB3D as my squadron still flys and fights it. As for the others, I have ArgonsV mod for Fighter squadron, but I will not invest money for a mod on a sim that is 10-20 years old, with dated graphics, and limited by a very old game engine, or needs to have a sim I absolutely hated to start with. What you just pointed out are things that need to be brought to 777 studios attention if you feel they need attention. That is what I said, they can't fix what they don't know about. I usually fly MP, so that is the one part of this sim that has me the most excited. The MP is rock solid, and every server I have flown in has been the same. Unlike alot of other sims this one will also be hard ot cheat in, not impossible, but hard. I don't care if a sim has the most perfect single player career, or campain, with out MP I would be hard pressed to give it a 5.0. I guess we will just agree to disagree, and leave it at that.

Wodin, The long and short of it is simply this, Jason was invited here to do just what he did, set the record straight, he didn't say he was attacked here. He gave the facts of the game, not old facts, but current ones. We shouldn't have to announce that anybody is coming to post, I don't care who it is. How many other game owners do you see coming and posting on sites outside their own, or their "official" outside sites? TK and others comes here from time to time and posts, and we have not announced him coming, so we are not going to start now. Anybody can post on any forum, answer any question, as long as they follow the rules. Yes even game owners and developers have to agree to follow the same rules as everyone else. If they come here and start attacking folks for saying negative things about their game I will treat them no different from anybody else. As far as 2 mods seeing things different, maybe that's because I invited Jason here, along with the site owner, finally get him to come back and give us updates, and the first time he makes a post and answers question, he is told he shouldn't have posted on that thread, he should sit back and chill out. I for one was glad to see him here and answering questions. If I came to a forum and was thinking about buying a sim, and saw a thread asking about it, I would want the correct information. NOT old and dated views from folks who tried it in the past. My review is based on the current state of the game, NOT the original release, so I could give a current and up to date view of the game. As far as other threads go that sound bad, I don't look over all the forums, just certain ones, and I haven't seen any in them. I might just look at certain sub forums inside a forum at that. If you see one that you think is bad and breaks the rules, report it to us.

Lets take this one thing at a time. Trust me I have a desk drawer full of games, flights, FPS, RTS, you name it, that I didn't like for one reason or another. Some were fixable, some were not. There are fewer titles that I do like compared to the number I don't like or even just flat out hate. I could spend all day trashing several titles, a few mods, and add-ons that I spent money on and was very disappointed with the end product, So I have become very cynical about sims claims, especially mods of older titles, and add-ons from 3rd parties. I even beta tested a couple titles that I didn't like right from the start. I never said you couldn't say negative things about a game, I believe I said without constructive criticism a game will never get fixed, as how will they know what is broken. What I said was no personal attacks, saying a game needs this or that fixed is not a personal attack, asking where is this or that in the game is not an attack, asking when or if do you plan on fixing this or that is not a personal attack. If anybody feels the need to vent their anger at anybody, not just 777 Studios, but anybody, or any company, I am assuming by venting you are not happy and want to call them out and tell them what a low down rotten so and so they are for you buying a game they made and you didn't like it, which is what a vent to me means, and then it becomes a personal attack. Lets set the record straight first, a personal attack is when you make comments about a person or a company just to let them know you are not happy and don't mention why and get nasty(for lack of a better term). I mean if you felt the need to vent and posted " well you made a game, and I bought it and I am not happy with it at all so you suck, and your company sucks." That is a personal attack, period end of story, BUT if you buy a game and are not happy with it or have a problem with it and post something along the lines of "I bought this game and hated it, it is buggy and this or that doesn't work" or even "when do you plan to fix this problem, or that problem" You can be negative without making it sound personal. I'll give you an example, and this did happen. The reason I am even on this site was it was a LOMAC site, we were all waiting on it's release. The game was finally released, and yeah it had some bugs, but it was alright, right up until their copy protection fried my disc drive. I hated starforce after that and have refused to buy any title that has it on it. I made a post about it, along with several others who had the same thing happen, my post was along the lines of "your copy protection caused me to have to buy a new disc drive, what are your plans to fix that part of the game, or are you going to do nothing about it?" That was all I said, that was all I needed to say in public, BUT you can be sure my e-mail to them wasn't nearly as nice, if I had posted what I e-mailed them I would have been banned from here in a hot new York second. Like I said we want folks to post their problems, their question in a civil constructive way. If anybody feels the need to rant and vent, before posting remember a carrot works better than a stick, and it keeps problems down. This applies to ALL forums here, and as a matter of fact to other sites as well. I agree once a company puts it product out for the public, then yes they have to take the good with the bad, BUT to a point. Nothing personal is a big one for me, If someone feels the need to make it personal, I am telling you take it off board. You are more than welcome to post your feelings after buying Rise of Flight, we want you to, we encourage you to, how else will 777 learn if there is a problem. All I am saying is do it a constructive manner, like an adult, and there will be no problems. This isn't just for this forum, but all of combatace. That's what I am trying to say, you can be negative, but don;'t make it personal, and don't feel like the company is out to get just you. Yes 777 is suddenly Jason, just like Thirdwire is suddenly TK, and we expect the same level of respect in that forum as here. People post things on the internet they would never say in person, and that bothers me, yes Jason, TK, or whoever are their companies, BUT they are also just working guys, and while I am sure they don't like hearing bad things about their games, until someone releases a game that pleases 100% of the people(like that will ever happen), they are going to and have to be ready for it. I have been a member here for a very long time, and on staff for most of it, I know how they feel when I see negative things posted about combatace, and it makes me pretty mad, but I have learned to try my best to solve those problems, so I have a little insight into how they must feel when it is their baby. I'll get down from my soap box and hope that this clears up any thoughts that I was saying no negative comments, I didn't say that, I hope if you have a problem you post it, same as if you have a good experience you post that also. This doesn't apply to just here, but any sim, or shooter, or what ever you play.

I don't think I over reacted at all, you are correct in that nobody has flamed, nor has anybody made any personal attacks. My problem to be honest is when a Game owner/developer is told he should stay out of a topic of conversation that concerns his game. I asked for opinions, I got them. Jason then came by at the invitation of combatace, read the posts, and set some things straight. If it had been OFF, or any other sim, I would have expected the same thing if a owner/developer, could clear up some information that was dated and had changed. The fact the thread is still open and not edited shows that we are not going to hide anything that someone dislikes about a sim. My suggestion of if you don't like it, sell it, is aimed at anyone who just wants to always post negative things about it, not try to get the problem fixed. As for saying you can't post any neg. comments, if you have a problem post it, it won't get fixed unless someone knows about it.. I for one am glad Jason came by and jumped in and answered the questions. He cleared up some info that was dated, and he tried to be helpful. Yes I did apologize to him on the RoF forum, why did I do that? Because he came here after being invited by the site owner and myself, to do just what he did, answer questions, and set the record straight on things. Then he is told he should stay out of the topic, and chill out, That is the reason I was over there doing that. he was doing nothing more than we asked him to do. I am glad the information is out there now, and folks can make a better decision base on correct information. That was the reason for the original post, to get a better idea about the sim based on informed experiences. This is a WW1 sim forum, and it will never become a 1 sim fan boy site, unless the boss says so. Like has been said before, we as WW1 simmers need to come together, we need to work together, NOT set up"my sim is better than yours"camps. There is actually some good points made, and some things fixed here, so yes it a good thing for folks to disagree, but to do it in a polite way, with respect, and restraint.

We fly red baron 3D, and yes there is still a active community, and even still stage war nights. We also fly RoF:ICE, so if interested check us out US95Th aero

I voted RoF, I own RB, and use the free promiseland upgrade. makes it a great sim as far as graphics go. I Also agree FS:SDOE with ArgonsV work has been nothing short of super. I don't own OFF, so can't comment on that one, and I like First eagles, I like all TKs sim lites., but at the end of the day it is Strike Fighters with new planes. RoF looks stunning, the FM and DM are very accurate,from what I have been told. I just like the sim, yes it takes a big rig to run it, and it has a steeper learning curve, but in the end it is worth it, if nothing else for the MP.

The only way the WW1 community can continue to even be on any developers radar is to come together. You are right in that there can be no division between us. Just because 1 group thinks their sim, or mod, or whatever is best can cause damage that ripples though the entire community. Not only does it hurt WW1 sims, but sims in general. I have been a member here when it was biohazcentral, and been on staff for way to long to remember, and when WE and yes I mean the community that is combatace, attack someone, or voice a completely negitive opinion and not give anyone a chance to answer it reflects on combatace as a whole. You know the one bad apple saying. Folks our WW1 forum has a reputation for being open to only 1 sim, and I won't tolerate that. I want combatace to be one of the first places folks come ot check on all things flight sim related. While we won't silence anybody, we not tolerate personal attacks on anybody, nor will we tolerate folks trashing someones work just because they don't like it compared to the one they like. Folks I have talked personally to Jason, and I can tell you he is a stand up with a passion for HIS title. I do not feel he would say something, or even suggest something wasn't fact. His dedication to this sim is something I haven't seen or heard for along time from not only a developer, or publisher, but even an owner. So form now on, I don't care which"camp"you are in, do not trash anybody, or any title, period. Instead put the energy into helping build combatace and it's WW1 community into some place folks want to come to and post.

Guys, I posted over on the RoF forums also, First I have an issue with telling a game OWNER and developer, that he shouldn't answer questions on a thread. I actually have a BIG problem with that. I don't care if you don't like this sim, that's each persons opinion and they are welcome to it. If you have constructive criticism offer it in a polite way, if anybody on any board feels they have to flame a game, or insult someone for liking, not liking, or having a different opinion of something I will step in. The WW1 sim community is a VERY SMALL part of the flight sim community, and while there are fewer and fewer flight sims period, having a company release one based on WW1 is something the WW1 community as a whole should be head over heels about. I am not talking making a mod for a game that is 5-10 years old, but a completely new sim based on a completely new game engine, and offering continued support, I mean come on guys, there is no other sim that has the backing of the developer and owner as this one has shown. 16 updates and still working on more, name one that has done anything close to that. Like I said if you don't like, don't buy it, and if you did, you have seen just an e-mail will get the account switched. Sell it and move on, don't just complain and flame. If you have a question, post it as just that a question, NOT well this sim sucks because it doesn't have this or that. Don't say well this sim sucks because the sim I fly has this or that and this one doesn't. Ask your question, be polite, then wait for an answer. I don't see any other sim owners, or sim developers posting and answering questions on many boards Having one come here and answer questions is a nice touch, and I personally think it shows that 777 Studios and Jason are making an effort to correct a product that was broken when it was released. I am not trying to make anybody like a sim, nor will I try, I feel the same should work both ways. Feel free to post problems, feel free to post things you think should be worked on, or included. BUT be polite.That goes for any sim, not just RoF, not just the WW1 community, but everyone on combatace. I personally would love to see every WW1 sim, mod or add-on, succeed, grow and bring more folks into simming in this time period. I can't speak for anybody other than myself on this but we need to come together, work together, and try to keep flight sims and WW1 sims coming. Make combatace a place where everyone knows they will find a good place to come and answer questions, or ask them. If you don't think we should cover ALL WW1 sims, then we are all in trouble, that's like saying combatace should only cover a select few sims and no others because we don't like the others. Oh and one more thing, Jason, is a stand up guy, and you take what he says as correct. he is speaking as a game owner, and while yes he is here defending his product, he is also answering questions folks might have and trying to show how far things have come, and how far they are going. Will we delete threads that ask questions, or threads that have a person asking about a problem, NO we won't problems don't go away by a simple key stroke, I am sure jason and his team need to know if there's a problem. Let them know, I am sure they want ot know if there's a problem with their product.

Jason and the team have been working on the new campain, I wanted to let everyone know what to expect when it is released. Looks great and from the sounds of it will make this a gotta have sim. check it out on 777 studios forum. http://riseofflight....hp?f=45&t=12964

Keep checking back, as more reviews and interviews will be on the way.

OK guys, Jason was invited here to answer questions, I think he has done a great job. The fact he is here answering questions should show he is trying hard to let folks know 777 Studios is hard at work fixing this sim. NOW I will say this if you have a problem with Jason or anybody from 777 studios posting on this or any other thread, PM me and we'll "talk" about it. As to why I changed the way I was going to do this from a comparison to a straight review is I don't own OFF, and to be honest I won't own it because it is based on CFS 3 which I hated, so to be fair I decided to change directions.

Take a look and I hope this helps anybody who was on the fence about this sim. I found alot to really like and to be honest not much to not like. look it over ICE review

hey man, come over and check out RB3D with the 95th, we still fly it. and still love it! look in the recruiting section here at combatace and you'll see my post.

I installed it just fine. Do you get an error message?

With all the talk about this sim, we decided it was time for us to take a look at it, and I am glad we did. Read the review Rise of Flight: Iron Cross Edition

Will be out kinda soon. it's going to be alot of fun.