Douglas C-47B Skytrain Cargo Plane

[Guest capun]

The SFP1 Dev A-Team (capun, Gramps, Charles, Kesselbrut & The Wrench) present the Douglas C-47B Skytrain Cargo Plan

 

Please read the installation instructions carefully, specially the Designer Notes.

 

Model by capun, Textures by Gramps, FM & Sound by Charles, Virtual Cockpit by Kesselbrut, Hangar & Loading Screen by The Wrench.

 

Model based on the DC-3 model by GulfKnight http://www.gulfknight.net

 

Many thanks to all devs who contributed to this project. Please read the Installation instructions file for a complete list of contributors.

 

 

While I upload it at CombatAce and AVSIM , you can get it here

 

SkunkWorks

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest capun]

Package Update including new Virtual Cockpit by Kesselbrut

 

 

 

[Guest Charles]

And for the record, and contrary to a claim made in the other thread about the C-47A (now locked) ABSOLUTELY NONE of the texture of the pilot in the C-47/AC-47 package is by Diego. I made it, based on a public domain skin called "Fake Prop Pilot" by Boz (Bosco), released several years ago.

 

Here is a comparison of the the pilot skin in the C-47 package, and Boz' original. The one on the left is mine, the one on the left is Boz' original:

 

 

The helmet, mask and goggles are by Boz. The eyes of the pilot are different from the ones Boz used, because they are mine. The rest of the pilot's body is just a plain brown, done by me, with a texture added by me using PSP. The harness straps are copied from a pilot from Il-2 (the sim), and all the rest is by me.

 

Diego is simply wrong if he lays claim to any of this at all.

 

In any event, as a matter of law, textures released without restriction to the public fall into the public domain, and are no longer copyright. All of Diego's pilot textures, released some time ago, fall into this category - they were released to the public domain without restriction, and are no longer "owned" by Diego or anyone else. They can be freely used, without let or hindrance, by anyone for any purpose, including as part of the release of a new aircraft.

Edited December 7, 2006 by Charles

[Guest Diego]

You know Charles, nobody has said that I made that skin - ever. I'm refereing to the skin that was used in the past and still exists in files on this and other sites. Dont confuse the situation. This new skin that you posted was not the one you have originally included in the acft downloads. Don't believe me? Go download some older AT mods and look for yourself. Capun has removed my texture from recent files and has said he would remove them from the others. What caused this stir was a modification of MY textures by someone on the AT. Capun says it was you. I said take it down. You just cant get away with taking someones work and claiming it as yours. I don't and neither can you. Saying something is public domain is laughable unless the artist wants it to be and says it is. If Boz says it is, well bully for you. I never did nor was asked. If that is your proof of what is legal, maybe the owners of this website might have something to say about what is on their website. Just because something is free doesn't mean its free of ownership. So sure, keep believing that crap. I have no clue why you don't just make the stuff yourselves anyway. Its obvious you can paint or claim that texture as your own original work, so why not just follow along and do what everyone else does - make your own original artwork.

 

What all this was about was a continuation of not thouroghly investigating my claims. Ask Capun what he has to do now that he has escalated this issue. Lots of files to change because someone thought it was public domain.

 

 

Look for yourself at the upper right hand corner of what was/is included on this website and what it was originally. Odd that things just look the same.

http://img501.imageshack.us/my.php?image=proofie3.jpg

Edited December 7, 2006 by Diego

[Guest Charles]

Interesting...

 

The skin in the top left of that collation of yours (the one with the "Mickey Rooney face") has been widely used, in a variety of released figures (gunners and the like) without objection from the author for more than two years. I can see no evidence that Diego is the author, apart from his own assertion.

 

Unless Diego can put forward some proof that he was the author, I am calling him a liar on this one, but in any event this skin is well and truly in the public domain, and available to be used by anyone in this community for any purpose, including as part of the release of a new aircraft.

 

The skin in the top right of that collation is from Pasko's Me-163 package, for a then-new pilot figure specifically made for the Me-163 called LWPilot.LOD. The release notes with that package, which are dated 23 April 2005, say "FM by Starfighter and Pasko-3D model & the rest". Either Pasko is a liar here, or Diego is. I will let Pasko and Diego sort that one out.

 

Odd, though, that there is no demand for Pasko to remove this skin from his Me-163, if Diego really is the author.

[Guest Diego]

For proof of any of the originality of my textures what would you require? I'll be more than happy to shut your pie hole.

 

Mickey Rooney - ask Capun who made that one. In case you can't reach him, I made that one long ago. He was aked to remove ALL of my files from his once he became combative over who made what - just like you're doing now.

 

The LW pilot skin - I made that for Pasko or rather, I made the texture he was going to model a Mig pilot for it. Pasko and I don't have anything to sort out since he and I don't rob from each other. Like many people that read these forums, you believe what you read in the ReadMe files. You have a problem with Pasko's ReadMe, take it up with him. He and I both know who made what.

 

Again, what proof do you require? Or is that just you mouthing off? Would you even know what to look for? or like other posts from you, is this just an attempt to strike back? If I prove you wrong would you promise to delete your account and just go away?

 

The name Ranger332 comes to mind....hmmm.

[Guest Charles]

Diego:

 

"shut your pie-hole" and ..Ranger332.."? That's a bit aggressive isn't it? In my business, the use of aggressive or extravagant language is usually regarded as evidence of a guilty mind in the person using it.

 

You are not worried that you might have falsely claimed authorship of something you didn't actually create, and have been caught out, are you?

 

You SAY you created the "Mickey Roony" skin, but you don't produce a single piece of evidence, despite

repeated requests.

 

I could SAY that I created it. I didn't (I have always thought that the Mickey Rooney face in a flight sim was rather childish), but if I did, it would just be my assertion against yours.

 

Back up your assertion, my friend, or back down.

 

As for the Me-163 pilot, perhaps Pasko is lying, as you suggest. But at present, he claims to have done that skin and LOD, and I tend to believe him, because it has been released for more than a year, without you or anyone else claiming he is wrong.

 

Pasko seems to have gone missing from SF in the last few months - why is it that you wait until after Pasko has gone, before claiming to be the author of something he released in his name over a year ago?

[Guest Diego]

My use of name calling is a direct result of how you're trying my patience. Feeling guilty - hardly. My challenge has been for you to tell me what you want as proof and I'll provide it. Have you asked Capun yet? Making a Mickey Rooney skin was not childish but made as a request. I don't consider that childish. You can say you created something but somehow I doubt you've made anything other than copy/pastes of others work and placed your name to it.

 

Never have I said Pasko has lied. Pasko and I are good friends and I'd never accuse him of this. Can you provide a link to this or is this just more smoke and loud noises? Me saying you can't believe everything you read is not calling someone a liar. Like I said before, he knows what he made and I know what I made. Pasko isn't gone from SF. He is a hard working family man with less time to deal with thieves and baseless accusations than I do. Anyone who knows him would know he is more of a behind the scenes person but you're well aware of that aren't you? No? Maybe you aren't on his short list of friends.

 

My suggestion, provide the manner in which you want proof. If I provide it, will you post your apology, delete your account and go away? I'm willing to bet you won't risk it. I'll give you until tomorrow 8am PST to come up with your response. If you don't step up, then Modders feel free to lock this one up.

[+Dave 2,322]

Ok everyone take it to a PM or something. Or at least stop the name calling and address the issue.

[Guest Diego]

Sorry to stir the waters Dave. I'll keep it short and sweet.

 

I don't think you're up to providing me with the proof you require so I'll let you off the hook.

 

 

Would you be interested in the same image for the other pilot as well or do you think you've had enough? BTW, I like my apologies typed up in a script font and sprayed with expensive perfume. Somehow, I doubt I'll be getting one from you.

[Guest Charles]

My parents always warned me to stay away from men who use script font and expensive perfume, especially when, as here, they ask you to bend over.

 

So I will decline your, no-doubt heartfelt, offer to kiss and make up.

 

 

Anyway, here is my "proof" that I created this particular skin, some nine months before you claim you did:

 

 

 

Apparently it is not a difficult thing to do, re-setting your computer clock and taking a screenshot.

[+Dave 2,322]

Charles, keep it civil please. You can debate this all you want but the "expensive perfume, especially when, as here, they ask you to bend over." is not needed.

[Guest Diego]

Your PSP file that you claim as yours doesnt show layers. Maybe that cheap piece of software doesnt support them. Funny that my Photoshop file does and they are clearly shown in the background. You post a bmp file I posted a PSD file with layers. Nice proof you show of your authorship.

 

I can do this as long as CA will allow this to go on. The way I see it, I enjoy the way you expose yourself to this community for what you really are. I've provided proof that any artist or interested party would understand but since you are nothing but an assembler of other peoples work, I can see why you wouldn't see the the differences between what you claim as yours and what is mine or just resort to simple date changinging hacks to attempt to defame me. Don't worry, there are lots of people who read these boards that understand these differences and can clearly see them. They are either enjoying this drama or are enjoying watching a man publicly humiliate himself and cant manage to turn away.

[+Kesselbrut 17]

So I think enough is enough. I look at this childish discussion for weeks.

 

Lets tell the history of this damn skin - you made it long ago (I have no doubt that you've made it) - I'd first seen it 2 years ago as gunner in Capun's OH - 6 - one month after I send you the UH-1 and AH-1 pits - all was OK you and Capuns was working together at mods. This time I use a part of the trousers from rooney the first time (A-10 I guess)

As I'm part of the DevA Team and made pits for The Mirage factory, YAP....I used this trousers more than 30 times.....

 

All was OK - no comment "hey that's mine" or someting else (and I didn't know you made the skin otherwise I've asked"

 

Half a year ago I need an Helopilot, you say i can't use yours so I did my own pilot. I'm not a very good painter so I searched a texture for my pilot - so I found rooney can't find a readme like this one at your helopilots (else I had used their skin):

 

 

 

 

 

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Diego Lozano 2 May 2006

d.lozano@comcast.net

 

This modification adds three all new helicopter pilots. They are represented in the typical 2 piece nomex flight suit, "chicken plate" armored vest and the APH5 early style helmet with clear, dark and visor up.

 

I was given this base male model in a classroom setting to work on ages ago. I want to cite that anonymous modeler with credit. All other model work, mapping and textures are based on this persons creation.

 

Model: Diego Lozano/unknown modeler

UV Mapping:: Diego Lozano

Textures: Diego Lozano

Configuration files: Diego Lozano

 

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Installation instructions:

 

1.Unzip, if you wish, into a temporary folder. This allows you to select which or how many pilots you wish to add.Place your selections in the /StrikeFighters/Objects/Aircraft folder --do NOT place the files in specific aircraft folders!!

 

2.If you haven't extracted the data.ini for the aircraft you wish to modify, do so.If already extracted, open up the **data.ini for your aircraft of choice. In the example below, we are using the F-100D:

 

Find the section marked crew, as below

 

// Crew ---------------------------------------------------------

 

[Pilot]

SystemType=PILOT_COCKPIT

PilotModelName= <-- add pilot LOD name ie: helopilot01

Position=0.00,4.15,0.88 <--change this xyz coordinate to adjust the pilot position ie: 0.00,4.00,0.50

SeatModelName=seat_f-100

SeatPosition=0.00,3.98,0.45

MinExtentPosition=-0.25,3.52,-0.30

MaxExtentPosition= 0.25,4.83, 1.09

CanopyNodeName=canopy_frame_rear_outer

 

If your data ini does not have the line:

 

PilotModelName=

 

You =MUST= add it.

Then, you can add the pilot figure of choice. Remember, it is case sensitive, so if it's "PILOTAF" you must use all capitals. If it's "PilotCH", you must use the upper and lower case lettering. Adding ".lod" is NOT required.

 

This is an ALL NEW pilot model so the stock pilot position won't always work. You must adjust the position in each acft data ini that you want to install the pilot to ensure the pilot sits properly within the acft. Usually changing the pilot position coordinates to loosely match the seat model position will get you close.

 

 

Issues

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Just in case you glossed over the read me and didn't notice - You must adjust the pilot position. Read above instructions on how to do this. If you don't do this, the pilot will "sit" in places deemed unsafe for normal flight.

 

 

Disclaimer:

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- This add-on package is a non-commercial package. Neither Thirdwire nor Strategy First officially supports it. Please do not contact them for technical support.

 

- All rights remain the sole property of myself, Diego Lozano.

 

- You are not allowed to distribute/share this add-on package in a commercial way. You are not allowed to modify this package in any way. This includes cutting off parts of the ZIP file it comes with or conceal its origin. You are also not allowed to redistribute this package or any of its parts in a non-commercial manner. This is to include but not limited to "All in One" type installs.

 

- If you wish to modify this add-on package you must first request permission and receive it. Any part of this package modified and submitted for download as a new or modified object without prior consent will be considered a violation of this notice and the Website hosting these files will be requested to remove the file immediately. This package is considered intellectual property of the project contributors named within this document. All rights reserved.

 

-This read me must accompany any authorized modifications.

 

Comments:

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Many of the textures are 1024x1024 pixels or larger. If you don't need, require or your PC can't handle larger textures, feel free to adjust the size using an image editing program such as Photoshop.

 

If you are experiencing problems installing, getting things to work as advertised or texture issues, contact me at d.lozano@comcast.net

 

 

After I digged Rooney out I tought "oh, what a nice skin"- and repainted it a little bit. Later I did a pit for YAP with exacly the same skin -

you and John said "ahh nice, ....." no word you've made the skin. It was agreed, that YAP get the exclusive AC-47 and a C-47 Pit and DevA will get the C-47 pit......no problem till here...

 

Here some parts of the mails for your memory:

 

The AC-47 is

>>exlusively for YAP, the C-47 will also released as freeware - is this OK?

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>Okay. The AC-47 is done. I have attached the airplane. It has not been

>released yet.

 

 

no word about that the copilot skin and that is by you and should removed. The I get a little bit trouble with John, cause I agreed to give my trucks to some other people for their projects.....and now YAP's exclusive SA-2 trailers are real freeware as agreed between John and me before.... I left YAP and stop all work for you to work for free as before....and now that skin is a problem, thats make me stunning....

 

You give away this skin 2 years ago as freeware, and now it should deleted from pack? Sorry, but I can't understand this. Be a man not a boy noone is using parts from your actual USAF, Helopilots or Soldiers - skins. Let the old skins be freeware and everyone is happy.

 

Keep in mind what happend, if some modders wanted that all their stuff should be deleted from the YAP packages - this would be end in an disaster for YAP. You now that John made the same mistake and used some stuff from me without permission, cause he don't know that I made them (UH-1Pit, M1939 of the first packs...) for the UH-1 he says "Oh it's not made by Pasko?...." Eigher I didn't call the YAP-Team thieves or Liars, nor I demand that they have to remove my stuff from the Packs.

 

So like I said - be a man, your currend stuff is safe and let the old stuff what it was - FREEWARE.

 

P.S. sorry for my bad English.

 

Daniel

[Guest Diego]

Kesselbrut,

Its interesting that you again decide to play the peace maker. You have no doubts that I made the texture for it but yet you decided to use it anyway. To be honest, I don't have enough time to download>open>and check every file that is available so that I can verify the contents don't contain pirated material. You expect me to do this? Now, Capun and I have some history and much of it has been good but when I ask for something to be reoved I expect it to be without much of a fight - especially from other parties that have no buisness or interest in it. I've always been quick to allow things of mine to be used when asked BEFORE they've been released. I really don't think I should have to keep asking over and over to remove something and surely you'd agree that I alone should be in control of what is mine. I have allowed in the past - not licensed, my things to be used. On many occasions those permissions have been revoked. This was one of those times. Had I licensed its use, we wouldn't be talking about this today.

Lets be clear on one thing- what is between you and John is not the same thing as what is between Capun and myself. I've never released the Rooney pilot as freeware - ever. I made it for Capun to use in one of his acft. If you chose to use his files as a shopping center for textures, that is your decision. If I refused the use of my pilot model or textures to you or anyone else, its for a reason. Trying to circumvent my wishes by just using the excuse of there was no ReadMe is by far the laziest. Anyone can easily post the question and ask who made something. You chose not to. This is now my fault? I've always been ready to help modders with textures and pilots but recently, the much of the newer blood in the community feels that what is available for download is an open air freemarket. Manners, courtesies and ethics are a foreign language these days.

 

I guess the bigger question is Do I have control over how my things are used or not? You seem to think not. You sit there and judge my manhood becuse you didn't get your way. I'd call that childish, myself. If anyone has actect like a man its Capun by respecting my wishes and carrying them out. Have I granted you use of my things inthe past? Yes, you used my Malvinas terrain textures for your project. Due to a bad ReadMe, you had no way of knowing they were mine so I allowed you to use them. I'm not trying to be difficult or even act like a child and take my toys away. I've removed them because people don't respect them and take them as their own, argue that they are made by others and lay claim to their authorship. Do you still think I act like a child by trying to protect what is mine? Please, get ALL the facts from both sides before you try to be the peace maker.

 

As to you not being notified about the Rooney texture, please speak with John. As soon as I saw it was included I notified him of it. If you were not notified, I will gladly allow its use in the A-Teams package. If it was an error on our part please accept my apologies and include it but if you were notified please understand that I would like it removed. Its that simple really.

 

On a broader subject, if you see anything that doesn't belong to you and you wish to use it, its as simple as typing up a thread asking the community for help trying to find the author. If you still continue to use it without permission, don't be suprised if you get called on it. If you see my bicycle and you want to use it but I'm not around ask me for permission to use it, would you still take it?

[Guest Diego]

...and on that note, lock this thread, Dave. I've made my point.