+lindr2 Posted January 11, 2009 Posted January 11, 2009 (edited) Know you or not, but all planes of Su-17/22 Mig-27 family can use ARM missile ONLY with 2 special pod's 1) L-086 V'yuga for Kh-58, Kh-27 , 2) Metel for Kh-28 Su-17M, Su-22M can use only 1 Kh-28 on special pylon + metel pod, Su-17M3 can us 2x Kh-58 or Kh-27 with L-086 pod or 1 Kh-28 1 Kh-28 on special pylon + metel pod For using CGR MIg-23M,ML,MLD,Su-17M2,Su-17M3,Su-17M4,Su-22M,Su-22M3,Su-22M4 needs Delta-NG pod? Su-17 noot nned this, because control eqipm placed on this air intake. I made Metel, V'yuga, Kh-28 pylon LOD's, working on Delta-NG, early i made Projector - laser pod for Su-17M2 only (Su-17M cant' use LGR , Su-17M3,M4,Su-22M3,Su-22M4 have internal LP (Klen-PS,Klen-54)) All of them + MIG-23/27 update data.in + loadout will be included in new version Su-17/22 pack Su-17M with TYPICAL SEAD LOADOUT ECM pod SPS-141-1F + Metel SAM finder + Kh-28 Su-22M with TYPICAL SEAD LOADOUT ECM pod SPS-141-1F + Metel SAM finder + Kh-28 Su-17M3 with TYPICAL SEAD LOADOUT ECM pod SPS-141-MV + V'yuga SAM finder + 2*Kh-58 Edited January 11, 2009 by lindr2 Quote
Wraith27 Posted January 12, 2009 Posted January 12, 2009 YES! Wjuga and Metiel will be very nicely! But two things: 1: In my knowledge Su-17/22M2/3 version has internal "Fon" LP witch can only check the distance. Maby some later M3 version has Klon/Klen...I'm not sure... 2: About picture 4 -Fitter with kh-58: this missile can be added only for fuselage pylons -but Kh-27/25MP are only 2 on external wings pylons :http://forum.combatace.com/index.php?showtopic=28952 Quote
+lindr2 Posted January 12, 2009 Author Posted January 12, 2009 YES! Wjuga and Metiel will be very nicely! But two things: 1: In my knowledge Su-17/22M2/3 version has internal "Fon" LP witch can only check the distance. Maby some later M3 version has Klon/Klen...I'm not sure... 2: About picture 4 -Fitter with kh-58: this missile can be added only for fuselage pylons -but Kh-27/25MP are only 2 on external wings pylons :http://forum.combatace.com/index.php?showtopic=28952 1) Su-17, Su-17M, Su-20A,B - NONE Su-17M2 - Laser range meter 'Fon' + LP 'Projector' on pylon ~ 6-12 Deg Gimble Limit, only LGR Su-22(Export version of Su-17M2 with R-29B engine) - NONE Su-17M3 Early (1976-1977) - Laser range meter 'Fon' + LP 'Projector' on pylon ~ 6-12 Deg Gimble Limit, only LGR Su-17M3(since N39 factory serie 1978 year) - Laser designator Klen-PS - 30 Deg gimble limit - only LGR Su-22M(Export version of Su-17M3 with R-29BS engine) - Laser range meter 'Fon' Su-22M3(Export version of Su-17M3 with R-29BS-300 engine) - Laser designator Klen-PS - 30 Deg gimble limit - only LGR Su-17M4/22M4 - Laser designator Klen-54 120 Deg gimble limit LGR,LGB,EOGR,EOGB 2) You right, but i need special pylons for use Kh-58 on fuselage, missiles must move forward to prevent L086 pod contact, i can't make new special station for KH-58 because game have only 6 weapons group restriction P.S. i made Delta-NG2, L066 (V'yuga for MiG's-23-27) Pod's just wait sreenshots... Quote
+lindr2 Posted January 12, 2009 Author Posted January 12, 2009 OK! new screenshots! Wanna new new ini for Mig-23's,27's? MiG-27D with L066 pod + Kh-27PS missiles MiG-23MLD with Delta-NG2 pod (not sure about position, some sources said: 'pod on left wing 1 missile on right wing', or 'Pod placed on unused rear fuselage pylon(almost MIG-23's have 2 rear fuselage pylons for bombs, but they NEVER USED, and demounted at once on air bases) + 2 Kh-25R missiles Su-22M with Delta-NG2 pod MiG-27 with Delta-NG2 pod Quote
Murphy'S Posted January 12, 2009 Posted January 12, 2009 when i see all this stuff i wish to have proper pit for the mig-27 series. "i have i dream!!!" ahem don't pay attention to this, just too much drinking but as we live in sfp1 world, who knows what some talentuous modders can do? Quote
Wraith27 Posted January 13, 2009 Posted January 13, 2009 2) You right, but i need special pylons for use Kh-58 on fuselage, missiles must move forward to prevent L086 pod contact, i can't make new special station for KH-58 because game have only 6 weapons group restriction P.S. i made Delta-NG2, L066 (V'yuga for MiG's-23-27) Pod's just wait sreenshots... 1: http://forum.combatace.com/index.php?autoc...p;showfile=6556 2: 1,2 station :BOMB,RP 1s,2s:FT and maby GP but I'm not sure... 1r,2r: ARM,CGR,LGR,EOGR and RCKT like s-24 but not sure 7,8:BOMB Problem is, that all existence for TW series Su-17/20/22 models has only four fuselage stations: 1,2,7,8 so trying to make realistic attachments is dificult... Not sure why 6 groups are not enough for You: 1 group: 3,4 2 group: 9,10 3 group: 5 4 group: 6 5 group: 0,1,2,1s,2s,1r,2r,7,8 so You have one group free for some pylons...like my AKU-58 from my mod 3: maby this help... http://www.military.cz/russia/air/weapons/...gondola_DNG.jpg http://aerospace.boopidoo.com/philez/Su-15...%20Avionics.htm Quote
+lindr2 Posted January 13, 2009 Author Posted January 13, 2009 For Su-17M3 If you want, you can add AKU [LeftWingStationOutboard] SystemType=WEAPON_STATION StationID=1 StationGroupID=1 StationType=EXTERNAL AttachmentPosition=-2.4869,-3.7829,-0.1458 AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,0.0 LoadLimit=750.0 AllowedWeaponClass=BOMB,RCKT,RP,FT,MER,ARM,LGR,CGR,GP AttachmentType=WP,SOVIET ModelNodeName=pylon_left_outer PylonMass=60 FuelTankName=PTB-800 [RightWingStationOutboard] SystemType=WEAPON_STATION StationID=2 StationGroupID=1 StationType=EXTERNAL AttachmentPosition=2.4645,-3.7676,-0.1316 AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,0.0 LoadLimit=750.0 AllowedWeaponClass=BOMB,RCKT,RP,FT,MER,ARM,LGR,CGR,GP AttachmentType=WP,SOVIET ModelNodeName=pylon_right_outer PylonMass=60 FuelTankName=PTB-800 [LeftWingStationInboard] SystemType=WEAPON_STATION StationID=3 StationGroupID=6 StationType=EXTERNAL AttachmentPosition=-1.1945,-0.6900,0.0115 AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,0.0 LoadLimit=750.0 AllowedWeaponClass=BOMB,RCKT,RP,EP AttachmentType=WP,SOVIET ModelNodeName=pylon_left_inner PylonMass=90 [RightWingStationInboard] SystemType=WEAPON_STATION StationID=4 StationGroupID=2 StationType=EXTERNAL AttachmentPosition=1.2121,-0.6751,0.0000 AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,0.0 LoadLimit=750.0 AllowedWeaponClass=BOMB,RCKT,RP,NP AttachmentType=WP,SOVIET ModelNodeName=pylon_right_inner PylonMass=90 [LeftFrontFuselageStation] SystemType=WEAPON_STATION StationID=5 StationGroupID=3 StationType=EXTERNAL AttachmentPosition=-0.4247,-2.3246,-0.2169 AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,-22.5 LoadLimit=750.0 AllowedWeaponClass=BOMB,RCKT,RP,LGR,ARM,CGR,GP,NUC,RCN,MER AttachmentType=WP,SOVIET ModelNodeName=central_pylon_front_left PylonMass=90 [RightFrontFuselageStation] SystemType=WEAPON_STATION StationID=6 StationGroupID=3 StationType=EXTERNAL AttachmentPosition=00.4397,-2.3246,-0.2169 AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,22.5 LoadLimit=750.0 AllowedWeaponClass=BOMB,RCKT,RP,LGR,ARM,CGR,GP,RCN,MER AttachmentType=WP,SOVIET ModelNodeName=central_pylon_front_right PylonMass=90 [LeftBackFuselageStation] SystemType=WEAPON_STATION StationID=7 StationGroupID=4 StationType=EXTERNAL AttachmentPosition=-0.4247,-4.5685,-0.2169 AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,-22.5 LoadLimit=750.0 AllowedWeaponClass=BOMB,FT,MER AttachmentType=WP,SOVIET ModelNodeName=central_pylon_back_left PylonMass=90 FuelTankName=PTB-800 [RightBackFuselageStation] SystemType=WEAPON_STATION StationID=8 StationGroupID=4 StationType=EXTERNAL AttachmentPosition=0.4397,-4.5685,-0.2169 AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,22.5 LoadLimit=750.0 AllowedWeaponClass=BOMB,FT,MER AttachmentType=WP,SOVIET ModelNodeName=central_pylon_back_right PylonMass=90 FuelTankName=PTB-800 [LeftIRStation] SystemType=WEAPON_STATION StationID=9 StationGroupID=5 StationType=EXTERNAL AttachmentPosition=-1.7508,-1.9922,0.1901 AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,0.0 LoadLimit=750.0 AllowedWeaponClass=IRM,2IR AttachmentType=WP,SOVIET ModelNodeName=left_ir_pylon PylonMass=90 [RightIRStation] SystemType=WEAPON_STATION StationID=10 StationGroupID=5 StationType=EXTERNAL AttachmentPosition=1.6813,-1.9922,0.1901 AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,0.0 LoadLimit=750.0 AllowedWeaponClass=IRM,2IR AttachmentType=WP,SOVIET ModelNodeName=right_ir_pylon PylonMass=90 [Kh-28Station] SystemType=WEAPON_STATION StationID=11 StationGroupID=4 StationType=EXTERNAL AttachmentPosition=0,-3.4246,-0.3869 AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,0.0 LoadLimit=850.0 AllowedWeaponClass=ARM AttachmentType=WP,SOVIET ModelNodeName=Centerline_Pylon PylonMass=90 [Kh-28Pylon] SystemType=WEAPON_STATION StationID=12 StationGroupID=3 StationType=EXTERNAL AttachmentPosition=0.0,-3.4246,0.0369 AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,0.0 LoadLimit=30.0 AllowedWeaponClass=FT AttachmentType=WP,SOVIET ModelNodeName=Centerline_Pylon PylonMass=90 FuelTankName=Kh-28_pylon NoJettisionTank=TRUE [V'yugaStation] SystemType=WEAPON_STATION StationID=13 StationGroupID=4 StationType=EXTERNAL AttachmentPosition=0.0,-4.4246,0.1169 AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,0.0 LoadLimit=300.0 AllowedWeaponClass=NP AttachmentType=WP,SOVIET ModelNodeName=Centerline_Pylon PylonMass=90 Quote
+Crusader Posted January 13, 2009 Posted January 13, 2009 lindr2, great project for this Red Star mud mover ! Quote
+lindr2 Posted January 13, 2009 Author Posted January 13, 2009 'missed' item in Su-17 family Su-17M2 - (export version Su-22, with R-29B engine), i add navigation complex NK-23 like Fake pilot on nose. Quote
+lindr2 Posted January 17, 2009 Author Posted January 17, 2009 Lybian Su-22 MiG-27M with Kh-28 & Metel Pod ~ 1976-78 years Quote
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