How In The Heck? - Mr Mudd - Shepski?

[bflagg]

Mr Mudd / Shepski,

How in the heck to the eagle drivers bring down the bad guys when you can't see

them? (this has been bothering me since Janes - F15)

 

On Multiple occasions, I never see the bad guys. they can see me, the others in

my flight (AI) can see the bad guys, but I can't see squat.

 

I get the awacs call .. bad guys, bearing 085, for 051, angels high.

Ok I know they are at MY 085, ( aspect of 051?) and above 20K altitude.

I slew my radar up (I'm at 10K) and wait for the scan to complete

at the range of 40mi.

I can see 1 target (i'm in tws mode so I designate him), The other target is faint

but visible on the VSD, so when I try to designate him, boom! the VSD clears.

(both targets, as per the VSD are a 17K and 19K and my scan azimuth is 15 - 20K

 

next the awacs call for bad guys, 051 , angels low (below 10K?)..

So I shift my radar down, to look for those guys.. nada, nothing...

 

Now I know I'm within 20 miles of the first track so I fire the 120.

(really does nothing, since I think the 120 is not correct in it's speed and

capabilities in this SIM ... I'm guessing, since my experience in the USAF is

walking around these birds with Rifle, but it does get the bad guy to react

to me instead of the other way around. (it seems to take off toward the

initial designation...))

 

After that, where are they? I've played the mission over and over and over

so I know where everyone is supposed to be at, but I just can't make it work.

 

The mission (campaign F15..mission 1) and the bad guys are just a dot,...

by the time I can make out the aircraft type, they're launching a missle down

my throat. (if I'm lucky enough to spot them after loosing them on radar)

 

As Soon as I turn Labels back on.... no problem (well usually)

 

Is there a way either of you can create a track with voice over on how to do this properly?

 

BTW, Mr Mudd. I just found your F15 "soup" flight for instrument flight, but

there is no voice over so It's kinda hard to figure out what your doing because

The HSI, ADI, Speed guage,, etc are not in view all the time. (and fraps makes

everything blurry on top of that!)

 

Is it possible for either of you to take some time out of your schedules and

show me / us how to do this stuff correctly?

 

Thanks for your time.

 

Brett

Edited December 18, 2003 by bflagg

[JData]

AWACS calls are usually in BRAA format but in LOMAC they don't give the aspect.

 

So your last second set of number is the RANGE.

 

To get familar on how any radar works, picture using a flashlight and understand what happens when you elevate the beam in reference to range.

 

The F15 radar is the first version of the APG-63v0, it's a bit dated but simple IMHO.

 

With practice, you'll get the hang of it.

 

Julian

[switch]

Practicing on the current build will give you a headache!

Lots of people reported problems with Lo-mac`s radar, any of them (F-15, SU33,

Mig) Initially, when you turn it on it works great. You can change the elevation,

azimuth, range. Picking up targets (provided they are within the parameters)

is usually no problem. When you switch to Vertical Scan or Boresight modes and

then go back to BVR modes (making sure that the antenna is centered) you will

not be able (most of the times) to move your antenna elevation. The cursor will

still move with no problem but it seems like the antenna is stuck in the upward

direction. In couple of instances the radar worked perfectly throughout the whole

mission. So far I was not able to pinpoint the problem.

[bflagg]

Thanks for your reply gentlemen.

I know there is a prob with the F15 radar and I really do understand

the "flashlight" analogy.

 

The question is more about the how to's, instead of what's wrong.

 

I'm hoping to get the correct How to, and figure out what I'm doing

wrong when I'm just trying to find a "bad" guy with radar only.

(this btw includes the other modes).. When I'm stuck I have to fly in

a circle looking for a radar designate on the hud.

The tews gives me a idea where they are at, but if they don't have

any radar on themselves....... get my point?

I end up circling too much and some other pilot get to practice

their proctology skill on the back end of my aircraft.!!!

 

I eat carrots alot, so I know my eyesight is good (as per bugs bunny).

 

Thank you for your reply

Edited December 18, 2003 by bflagg

[JData]

Once you get in WVR, drop the BVR mode.

 

Remember an aircraft's RCS has a lot to do with the detection ranges.

 

e.g.

 

E-2C with that nice FAT dish and squarely shape, you'll detect him in excess of 70NM.

 

Mig23 excess of 49NM+

 

Whereas, a F16 will be in the 20NM+ range.

[Guest MrMudd]

I am not a beta tester. I guess i can never say this enough.... :(

 

 

I dont own the game. My neighbor came over with his copy and asked me for some assistance.

 

I have the dreaded NFORCE bug on my retail game experiance. :(

 

ftp://ftp.chproducts.com/pub/BioHazCentral/nforcebug.zip

 

so for me, this game is totally unplayable online until they release a patch for it.

 

Wish i could help. :(

 

 

I have requested to join the patch team.

[bflagg]

Wow. Mr Mudd, you of all I would of expected to have this...

 

well there goes my illusions .... ....gee...thanks.. ;)

 

Hope fully you will reconsider this request when the patch

does finally arrive to help folks like myself..

 

BTW, it not a online gameplay situation...but right a canned

mission right out of the box...

 

Until then enjoy the day...

 

Hopefully Shep will read this and show pity...

[Guest MrMudd]

Sorry dude.

 

Game dont work for me, Hopefully they will fix it.

 

I havnt heard a word back about participateing in the patches.

[bflagg]

No problem

 

Thanks for your time.