Back in the Saddle

[Duce Lewis 3]

Took about a month off from flyin

My homicidal PC had me more than a bit frustrated

Getting constantly hit by my own AA compatriots is quite an immersion killer

But I just downloaded HitR and the upgrade

That sweet li'l Nieup 28 was just calling to me

 

So far I've tangled with DVa's several times

She's way more stall sensitive in a turn than the DVII

But keep her wings more level and she'll whip 'round quick enough

So far I've bagged 3 DVa's and a Hannover

And there's a flamin gasbag out there with everything but my boots in it

...Had to make 3 passes before it'd burn!

 

Can'y wait to meet up with some Triplanes!

 

 

[Bullethead 12]

Welcome back, Deuce!

 

I find the N28 to be sorta twixt-and-tween. She turns well for a late-war plane but not as good as a Camel or DrI at high speeds nor as good as the SPAD XIII at low speeds. She's fast, but not as fast as the SE5 or SPAD XIII. She can zoom, but not as well as the DVII or SE5, especially at lower speeds. All in all, quite fun. You just have to choose your tactics for the situation. But it's good to have the choice :)

[Duce Lewis 3]

Welcome back, Deuce!

 

I find the N28 to be sorta twixt-and-tween. She turns well for a late-war plane but not as good as a Camel or DrI at high speeds nor as good as the SPAD XIII at low speeds. She's fast, but not as fast as the SE5 or SPAD XIII. She can zoom, but not as well as the DVII or SE5, especially at lower speeds. All in all, quite fun. You just have to choose your tactics for the situation. But it's good to have the choice :)

Yes, I agree

She seems a little weak in the ailerons but that big rudder has a lotta kick

I had a DVa pass underneath and she snap turned and dove real quick

Visibility will take a little getting used to

Maybe take a look at TIR and make a few adjustments there

[Bullethead 12]

She seems a little weak in the ailerons but that big rudder has a lotta kick

 

I concur. The rudder and elevator always have beaucoup authority (you can do a "flat" rudder turn in the N28 of about 340^ of a circle (but I don't recommend pushing it any further), and can always yank the nose up, both regardless of speed. However, the ailerons are highly speed-dependent. At high speeds, you'd think you're in a Pup or N11, the roll rate is so good. At medium speeds, the ailerons are adequate but nothing to brag about, say like an SE5. At low speeds, they cease working altogether. In QC I was trying to see how slow I could be to do a 4-point roll, and I found the lower limit was where the ailerons quit working just after the 1st point, which was about 75 knots. There was nothing for it then but to bottom-rudder into a dive to regain aileron authority via speed, meaning you have to have some altitude to do this. Of course, the N28 will do beautiful 4-point rolls at higher speeds. I'm just saying that if you get knife-edge at less than 80 knots, you're likely to be stuck there because you'll bleed down below the speed at which the ailerons work, unless you can regain speed by losing altitude.

 

Because the ailerons go away so completely at speeds where the other controls still throw you around like a ragdoll, I tend to use the N28 more as an E-fighter than a turnfighter. But as I said, it's right on the border between the 2, so you have to know when to use which set of tactics based on what you're up against. I think the best analogy would be the Japanese "George" of WW2.

 

I had a DVa pass underneath and she snap turned and dove real quick

 

You can really see why the N28 was one of the last few rotary-engined fighters, and why she wasn't considered a success in the context of her time (nor were any other planes with the same engine). The N28's good qualities are set against the nasty gyroscopic properties of the larger rotating mass of her bigger rotary engine. I've never been able to do a pretty, circular loop in the N28. Every time, I either do an involuntary Immelmann or I fight that so hard I end up with a very non-circular loop.

[Rickitycrate 10]

Hey Ducey, there you are! Welcome back! Hey, I bagged my first ever DRI today flying the N28. So if I can do it you'll be swatting them down like flies. You,re behind in your beer consumption, so here ya go

[Duce Lewis 3]

However, the ailerons are highly speed-dependent. At high speeds, you'd think you're in a Pup or N11, the roll rate is so good. At medium speeds, the ailerons are adequate but nothing to brag about, say like an SE5. At low speeds, they cease working altogether. In QC I was trying to see how slow I could be to do a 4-point roll, and I found the lower limit was where the ailerons quit working just after the 1st point, which was about 75 knots.

Good advice there Bullet

I shoulda taken her up in Freeflight 1st, but I just barreled into campaign right off

I'll have to learn her finer points the hard way I guess ...but 2nd Lt Rupert Jenks is still kickin

 

Hey Ducey, there you are! Welcome back! Hey, I bagged my first ever DRI today flying the N28. So if I can do it you'll be swatting them down like flies. You,re behind in your beer consumption, so here ya go

Yeegads!!! it's a Scramle!

I'm raising a St Pauli Girl in your honor as we speak Rick

This rounds on me gents

Thanks for the welcome back M8's ...now tell me 'bout that Dr1

[Rickitycrate 10]

Check the screenshot thread. It was a Kodak moment, hehe.

[Olham 164]

Welcome back, Duce! Was about to search for yer.

 

My third sortie with the N 28 was much better after early stalls.

Give her a shallow dive for gaining speed, and then turn her banked steep with elevator; NO rudder.

Those are the tight fast turns.

Softer turns she will do with good rudder, but only banked a little.

Edited December 23, 2009 by Olham

[Duce Lewis 3]

Welcome back, Duce! Was about to search for yer.

 

My third sortie with the N 28 was much better after early stalls.

Give her a shallow dive for gaining speed, and then turn her banked steep with elevator; NO rudder.

Those are the tight fast turns.

Softer turns she will do with good rudder, but only banked a little.

Thanks Olham!

I've met with the same result

She'll stall pretty easy if you bank her too steep

I'll have to try the high speed bank

 

Anyone torn up their top wing yet?

[Bullethead 12]

Anyone torn up their top wing yet?

 

I've tried very hard but without succes.

 

The other day I started a QC hop at 15000, did a split-s, and kept her in a full-power vertical dive until I could count the leaves on the trees, then pulled out as hard as I could. During the dive, I reached a top speed of about 245 knots, and got there within the 1st thousand feet or so. The N28 accelerates instantly from stall to 100 knots with even a slight nose-down angle, but once at 100 knots acceleration slows, although is still pretty quick.

 

Anyway, starting at about 3000 feet, there were occasional snapping sounds and a few lines of red text started appearing saying I was taking a small amount of wing damage. Because I wasn't going any faster than I had been, I'm assuming this was time-based stress build-up. There was no visible damage or apparent effect on the plane's flying abilities, although from then on it said OVERSPEED DAMAGE in the upper right corner of the screen.

 

The incredible elevator authority made the pullout rather unique. It was practically a pivot around the upper wingtips, with only a hint of blackout around the very edges of the screen. It appears that I created so much angle of attack doing this that it slowed me WAY down very quickly and therefore eliminated the Gs. The plane didn't even creak and was at stall speed when I got to the bottom of the loop, where it promptly fell out of the sky but I recovered just above the ground. How's that for an airshow stunt?

 

Then I tried hard turns at high speeds in shallow dives. The plane made scary-sounding creaks, cracks, and crunches in even relatively gentle turns, but no matter what I tried, I took no further wing damage. Periodically, text would appear in the upper right corner, saying DANGER--OVERSTRESS, just below were it was still saying OVERSPEED DAMAGE. But the wings stayed on.

 

So I'd say the N28 is fairly unbreakable just by itself. Now, if you've taken a lot of bullets through your wing, perhaps it would fail doing this stuff.

[RAF_Louvert 101]

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Welcome back Duce! Just in time for Christmas. And yes, I have torn off the top starboard wing on my N28 in a very hard pull out from a long dive.

 

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[Duce Lewis 3]

Thanks Lou,

So far I've just throttled back in dives and she's held together alright

But if you don't break it at least once you'll never know where the edge is

I'll keep pushin it

[Olham 164]

Duce Lewis: Anyone torn up their top wing yet?

 

Naw - I think, we're flying the overhauled version. The crate is really growing on me!