Campaigns, Formations and number of aircraft in the formation

[+gregoryp 1]

Working on a WW2 update for SF2 and trying to lay a good base foundation. Ran into an interesting problem for Campaigns and maybe Missions.

 

I’m going to do a new Nations.Ini. Since each country used different formations I’ll have to do a new Formations.Ini. And here’s the problem. I’ll use the Anti-Ship mission. I set up the Formations.Ini and a full Squadron of Stukas (16) attack Ships. But also a full squadron of He-111’s will attack the ships and well as a full squadron of Fw200’s. My preference is to have 16, Stukas, 3 He111’s and 1 Fw200.

 

The other problem is the difference between day and night formations. Daytime you have a large tight formation and at night a well separated bomber stream of working by themselves.

 

The only way I can think of to do this is instead of just

 

NaziGermany (Nazi Germany causes a crash in SF2)

 

To break it down into 4 German Nations

 

NaziGermanyDay

NaziGermanyNight

NaziGermanyMaritime

NaziGermanyTransport

 

So my question is, for Campaigns, can the behavior be done with a single NaziGermany or would it need to be broken down into 4 Nations or is there another way?

 

For the Fw200, with a Formation of 1 would that mean for the Squadron would fly only 1 sortie a day be flown by one aircraft even though the Squadron had 16 availiable? Or would all 16 fly on 16 different missions. Or would you need to breakdown the Fw200 Squadron into SquadronA, SquadronB, SquadronC, SquadronD.... each with 1 aircraft so all 16 fly a different Sortie?

 

Extra Credit The RAF Fighters before/during BoB flew 3 plane V's and then switched to fluid 4, would that require Nations RAFPre1940 and RAFPost1940 for a campaign?

 

Thanks!!!

Edited January 9, 2010 by gregoryp

[+Baltika 85]

Great to hear you are working on SF2 WW2 update

 

The man to ask would be Charles, who created the original WW2 formations mod. Get it here for reference:-

 

http://forum.combatace.com/index.php?app=downloads&showfile=3197

 

From my own limited knowledge, I think you have answered all of your own questions.

 

I looked at vics of 3 with a "weaver" for BoB campaign, can't remember if it was implemented there or not. I seem to remember that giving orders to wingmen was kind of screwy if your base fighter formation was three rather than four, or two.

 

I think you are correct in saying you would need a different Nation defined for each different formation style for same plane types. The difficulty, eg with your early vs late RAF formations, is how to switch nations in mid-campaign? I simply don't know if that can be done, although I suspect probably not.

 

Sorry can't be of more help, I have a feeling you are pushing the envelope here

 

But, take a look at Midway campaign d/l for how to create sea battles as CAS missions (in campaign mode) with separate USN and IJN formations defined in FORMATIONS.INI for ships instead of tanks for use at sea. Hope that helps.

 

Cheers,

 

Baltika

[+gregoryp 1]

Great to hear you are working on SF2 WW2 update

 

The man to ask would be Charles, who created the original WW2 formations mod. Get it here for reference:-

 

http://forum.combata...s&showfile=3197

 

From my own limited knowledge, I think you have answered all of your own questions.

 

I looked at vics of 3 with a "weaver" for BoB campaign, can't remember if it was implemented there or not. I seem to remember that giving orders to wingmen was kind of screwy if your base fighter formation was three rather than four, or two.

 

I think you are correct in saying you would need a different Nation defined for each different formation style for same plane types. The difficulty, eg with your early vs late RAF formations, is how to switch nations in mid-campaign? I simply don't know if that can be done, although I suspect probably not.

 

Sorry can't be of more help, I have a feeling you are pushing the envelope here

 

But, take a look at Midway campaign d/l for how to create sea battles as CAS missions (in campaign mode) with separate USN and IJN formations defined in FORMATIONS.INI for ships instead of tanks for use at sea. Hope that helps.

 

Cheers,

 

Baltika

 

 

I have Charles WW2 formations, that's what got me thinking about this

 

Will take a look at the Midway Campaign.