Skater Posted August 11, 2004 Posted August 11, 2004 Exactly what I'm wondering, or does it replace them? Bingo! that's the question I thinks a lot of folks want to know.. Answered in the post above yours. -Skater Quote
SlickWili Posted August 17, 2004 Posted August 17, 2004 Here's a link to Microsoft's KB article on Windows XP SP2 and why some of your programs may no longer be working. I've always preferred the UNIX way of managing Internet connectivity (ie. turn everything off first, then activate as needed) and I'm glad to see that Windows is leaning in that direction, but IMO they could've thrown a lot more documentation, advance warning, articles, etc. at the user base prior to the release of SP2. Quote
PG_Raptor Posted August 17, 2004 Posted August 17, 2004 Got a question. Which would be better, to get the Multi-machine network SP2 or wait for the smaller single computer SP2? Quote
Skater Posted August 18, 2004 Posted August 18, 2004 Actually, the multi-machine network install of SP2 is better because it has all necessary files for install on a variety of different computers, with no need to download anything further. It is more stable, in my opinion, as well. -Skater Quote
PG_Raptor Posted August 23, 2004 Posted August 23, 2004 I've got another question... I just downloaded and installed SP2. It seem that the Windows firewall is turned off everytime I boot up my system, because ZoneAlarm is running. If I go into the menu, I can turn it on, but I'd rather it be that way at startup, then having to keep putting starting it up. Or is having two firewalls necessary? Quote
PG_Raptor Posted August 23, 2004 Posted August 23, 2004 ACK!!! ok, I'm not so worrried about my firewall now. Before I installed SP2, my connection was running at 5+ Mb/sec. Now it's struggling to get 100 Kb/sec. wtf??? Quote
Scout_51 Posted August 23, 2004 Posted August 23, 2004 Bingo! that's the question I thinks a lot of folks want to know.. Answered in the post above yours. -Skater Yep it did..now if I get bold enough.... Quote
PG_Raptor Posted August 23, 2004 Posted August 23, 2004 And yet another thing... Windows is now trying to install stuff without asking me, ie MSN Messenger 6.2 and WMP 9. I have automatic updates turned off, and I already have WMP 9. what the heck? Quote
Skater Posted August 24, 2004 Posted August 24, 2004 ACK!!! ok, I'm not so worrried about my firewall now. Before I installed SP2, my connection was running at 5+ Mb/sec. Now it's struggling to get 100 Kb/sec. wtf??? Most likely an issue that your ISP is having technically, probably a temporary glitch. The Windows firewall, while it may take bit longer (in milliseconds) to filter data coming through it, does not limit throughput. Firewalls simply do not work that way. -Skater Quote
Skater Posted August 24, 2004 Posted August 24, 2004 And yet another thing... Windows is now trying to install stuff without asking me, ie MSN Messenger 6.2 and WMP 9. I have automatic updates turned off, and I already have WMP 9. what the heck? Messenger 6.2 and WMP9 need to be reinstalled. The SP2 makwes changes to both Microsoft applets. Normally, on first use after installing the SP2, the reinstalls will be done. Only takes a few seconds. This is perfectly normal behavior. -Skater Quote
PG_Raptor Posted August 24, 2004 Posted August 24, 2004 (edited) Most likely an issue that your ISP is having technically, probably a temporary glitch. The Windows firewall, while it may take bit longer (in milliseconds) to filter data coming through it, does not limit throughput. Firewalls simply do not work that way. -Skater I dunno about that, but I'll check with another guy on on the same network who hasn't installed SP2 yet, see what he gets. EDIT: Well, we just tried it with the computer in the next room, that guy is getting 5.5+ Mb/sec while I'm getting 40-100 kb/sec on the same test. Before I installed SP2, I was getting the same results as him. Edited August 24, 2004 by PG_Raptor Quote
PG_Raptor Posted August 24, 2004 Posted August 24, 2004 Messenger 6.2 and WMP9 need to be reinstalled. The SP2 makwes changes to both Microsoft applets. Normally, on first use after installing the SP2, the reinstalls will be done. Only takes a few seconds. This is perfectly normal behavior. -Skater Alright, I'll do that. It's just I've got an addon for messenger, I didn't want to have to reinstall and reconfigure that too. Quote
SlickWili Posted August 24, 2004 Posted August 24, 2004 The Windows firewall, while it may take bit longer (in milliseconds) to filter data coming through it, does not limit throughput. Firewalls simply do not work that way. ...unless the firewall is improperly configured. :D Quote
Skater Posted August 24, 2004 Posted August 24, 2004 PG, I just don't understand how your DRAMATIC decrease in throughput can be attributed to the Windows firewall. I am running three firewalls, 2 software and 1 hardware, and my total drop in DELIVERED throughput is less than .02Mbps. Here is my test suggestion... Turn off the Windows fw and any other fw you may have, and do a bandwidth test. Then test with the fw(s) enabled. See if there is any difference. If there is a difference, it should be a very small one. I just can't believe that any fw, much less the weak Windows fw, is causing such a dramatic decrease in throughput. -Skater Quote
Skater Posted August 24, 2004 Posted August 24, 2004 I've got another question... I just downloaded and installed SP2. It seem that the Windows firewall is turned off everytime I boot up my system, because ZoneAlarm is running. If I go into the menu, I can turn it on, but I'd rather it be that way at startup, then having to keep putting starting it up. Or is having two firewalls necessary? Once the Windows FW is enabled, it stays that way. The only thing I can think of is that ZoneAlarm is interfering with the Windows fw. This is very likely, because fw's usually do not play well together. The Sysmantec Internet Security fw works well with the Windows fw. HW fw's also usually like working in conjuction with the Windows fw, but many SW fw's do not, so bear that in mind. The only reason to run multiple (layered) fw's, is for increased security. -Skater Quote
PG_Raptor Posted August 24, 2004 Posted August 24, 2004 (edited) PG, I just don't understand how your DRAMATIC decrease in throughput can be attributed to the Windows firewall. I am running three firewalls, 2 software and 1 hardware, and my total drop in DELIVERED throughput is less than .02Mbps. Here is my test suggestion... Turn off the Windows fw and any other fw you may have, and do a bandwidth test. Then test with the fw(s) enabled. See if there is any difference. If there is a difference, it should be a very small one. I just can't believe that any fw, much less the weak Windows fw, is causing such a dramatic decrease in throughput. -Skater True, neither do I. And I'm not saying that it's the firewall creating such a drop, but something else in SP2, more likely. I called MS support, they said that they need more information about the network before they can do anything, and I have yet to hear from the IT guys here. I'll run those tests when the testing site gets back online Edited August 24, 2004 by PG_Raptor Quote
PG_Raptor Posted August 24, 2004 Posted August 24, 2004 Ok, I tried with the firewalls on/off, no difference. Like I said, I don't think its the firewalls, or anything in the security center, but something else. Quote
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