SniprKlr

Before you read this.. Im not against muslim people even if they hate us so long as they capeable of a peaceful thought. As Im sure most are. But within thier silence may come a price to heavy to bear if they do not fight for peace or agaisnt those who commit such terroristic attacks on civilians. I can say one thing..and I seriously think it does need to happen..When a country and its ppl attack the civilians of another and believe its ok or is an ideal idology much like the nazis did..Only one answer will ever ultimately remmedy the belief this tactic is worth doing..I dont mean to sound heartless but in order to save future generations from an on going hatred war is to break the idiologies back.. Isreal needs to go in and carpet bomb them till they surrender.. That is the only way they will wake up..Severe devestating losses based on what they find is an ideal tactic. If we had not bombed germany in the same manner as they did our allies we would have lost that war.. These rules of war are now useless hand cuffs in protecting ones country..In matters of such WWII tactics can only be answered with such tactics on a larger more devestating level..If we had not bombed Japan with the bomb there would have been 100's of thousands more lives lost apon its invasion.. I pray the world isnt stupid enough to allow Iran nuclear weapons as they are the home base to hamas and more than likely shelter for al'queda.. Imagine what kind of terror they could bring with nuclear suicide bombing. Musslim world doesnt start becoming accountable for how their society deals with their anger they will find them selves with nothing but nuclear waste to eat. Every single major trouble spot on this planet right now involves extreemist musslims.. THeir goal..the perfect islamic world..yes they want the old we can rule the world..Same as hilter.. I hope the good muslims in this world would finally rise and fight back their extreemists..as of yet I seen no effort at all.. Makes ya wonder..

We are gunna own joos!:P hehe :)

hope the yankees vs the Twinkies this year in the world series :P Woot! :)

Yep looks Like our troops are dying for another lie..How long will Bush continue to use are service mens lives as fear/war mongering election tool? Seems yet another President added to our history to start a war on a lie and continue to micromanage the war in getting our troops killed! Another American beheaded thanks to the imaginary Weapons of Mass destruction! Vote For Kerry! Bring our boys home!

btw keep it civil :)

or is it that every topic thats not pro bush gets locked lol :P

http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=...606&m=716104526 I tried to uplaod to biohazard but their upload process is a bit screwed..keeps saying fill in all the fields no matter if you do or do not.. So I must redirect you to this thread which also has screenies :) Advice use the seconed link as the 1st one has a 100mb transfer limit per day :) Cheers!

How man of you have tried it? Did you like it? Any ideas to perhaps make it better? Thanks, SniprKlr

easy way..loman 2.1 cheers

Here we agree Scout1! That is exactly the only real way to stop terrorism.. Until the world stops being whimpy and rediscovers its balls they will have to live with terrorism till the day they say we have had enough. Sadly I dont see that happening untill a few countries fall and a few million ppl die :/ People rather tollerate loosing lives for the sake of protecting the enemies rights than save such lives with such a low fatality rate solution that would only affect the terrorists and spare hudge ammounts of civilian lives. Kuddos on the story!

Also note.. Our government anually looses 200billion a year in tax payers money with no clue as to where it had gone. More than likely do to the enormouse accounting that it takes to manage a nation of this size..Errors in accounting in the government are never exact figures and are more of estimations with a certain percent for margin of error.. Even then they manage to loose money in the millions to well in the billions (cant really give a figure as its never static or could really be accurately estimated).

Btw your theory on the more money you spend is a bit flawed.. Its what you can afford to spend beyoned your budget.. Spending into dept because you cant afford to live or pay yer bills doesnt exactly equate in your theory..Poor people cant afford to spend thus they cant exactly play a role in your theory. Lower and Middle class are what runs the nations economy. Those are the people that either make your buisness grow or go backrupt.. Tax cuts to corporations does nothing other than give management higher budget for bonuses or advertising or R&D..Not enough to really ever effect wages or create jobs or does it ever rarely happen in big buisness. Another note: Clinton did alot in office.. I believe we had surplus in the billions near the end of his term. He also did tons of environmental work in dealing with big business and polution wich the current head of office tossed out the window and wants to drill in alaska for oil. Though I dont like the man much cause he cheated on his wife..I feel your not really looking into what was really accomplished while he was in office.. Though he lacked big time in many areas..Dealing with terrorism for example.. But I wouldnt just simply call his term worthless.. Yer Enron example kinda backfires on you though "You talk about republicans and greed. Here something you should understand: these companies that recently went under (i.e. Enron, Tyco, ImClone, etc...) (i.e. Enron, Tyco, ImClone, etc...)" As hudge as the national dept has come from a surplus I do believe your example show a uncanny resemblance in policy concerning how the economics of our country is being managed as in spending what you dont have. I dont recall the name of the country that recently collapsed economicaly on its self because the middle classed disapeared..I donno if anybody has this countries name pls post it as I forget.. However, It was the result of exactly what we are now talking about.. THere it got to the point of class warfare at the extreeme and thus created the rich and the poor..Economy collapsed cause there was litterally nobody capeable of purchasing product and a hudge portion of the buisness community simply disapeared. I think it still has one of the highest unemployment rates in the world..near 20-30% i think when it dove..not sure though so take that figure with a grain of salt..old news may be foggy. anyway cheers!

Im suprised we dont just forigive our own dept as we do with other countries that owe us billions of dollars :P hehe

werent we in a surplus at the end of clintons wild run in office? Btw good man got some lol..bad man cheated on his wife..I donno which I loved or hated lol

Wes Clark.. :) However I do see dead people so I vote for JFK :) I win :P

only if a better view of the video on the website was available.. I did find it odd that no large enough obect to represent even a small private jest passed the camera on point of impact..should be a big hudge blurr..The damage does seem to look more like a missle hit but then again that video could be edited and missing important frames. Never know maybe a sam lauched to intercep a plane and struck the pentagon lol..You will never know cause even the photos can be edited and pitctures of aircraft parts could easliy be placed within an image or place of location and made to look real by any proffessional editor:P Personally I beleive it was a plane..but if that section was as reinforced as they said..It does lead to doubt about the energy required for avionic or engine parts to penetrate all five rings as each ring would equate to 5 impact points all of wich would absorb a termedous ammout of energy give to an object only traveling at 350mph. Noting that the same sized planes hitting the trade towers and a much higher volocity barely managed to penetrate the other side and more or less vaporized on impact.. Giving the same theory about the energy given to such things as the engines..The engines that should have blown right through the towers and probably should have landed either withn another building or few to several blocks away from impact. So It is rather interesting..

"sure I can,just like you can defend your rantings in the face of reality.....this was a nice debate,but Im afraid it has come to a end because it IS getting a bit personal and I have NO intention to go that route....suffice it to say this HAD been a very nice thread,I never called ANYONE any names nor did I say they were idiots,you just did and crossed the line...be well...." Promise to keep this civil, I never took it personally btw. It was a heated debate.And yes I do respect your views.. nothing got out of hand and nore had I called anyone and idiot.I did however went a little bit and called him dumb or a pencil pusher in one sentence. Yes I should have chose better words and.Well heh I guess dumb is just the same as the word idiot so I stand corrected. But what he did wasnt exactly a wise thing to do.. Still was a Nice thread..Btw I feel you may have taken my points a bit personally.. I had made some major points I think you rather chose to ignore than responed to.. When it seem to come to the real issues I have yet to see anybody really elaberate on.. I believe I have proven you wrong about his carrier speach and pointed out several issues that have to do with the economy and how I feel Enron is a good example of how its being run. Nobody would admit that vets had committed crimes in vietnam wich is a bit sad I feel..Sad that nothing of a sort is acceptable to discuss in truth. Nobody wants to discuss Bush's fallbacks and rather continue to harp on Kerry's millitary record as what seems the main avoidance topic for anyother subject concerning Bush's performance as a commander and chief..Nobody cared about discussing the corruption of the constitution by placing bands on gays and lesbians and what I believe he forcing his religious beliefs into the constitution of how marriage is defined..These are extreemely dangerous anti semetic and religious morals being placed within our government..While on duty and on the tax payers payroll he should not be using his religion as a badge or a means to go to war or place bans on particular groups of people he doesnt like or agree with. Thats socialism not a Democracy. and I feel that's Bush's lack of seperation of church and state..Now this is just my opinion but while in office reffering to god in speeches and creating government funded voucher systems for religious schools is crossing the line. Putting in faith based programs is crossing the line. I should have made my point a little more dirrect as I would choose Kerry because Hes in my eyes the lesser of two evils as the phrase goes. I do agree that kerry's record isn't clear on his miltirary background.I just feel he has a more experienced background when dealing with the military and war than Bush.However, From what I've seen from Bush these past few years leads me lean more for a real bad need to change whos running this country. My orginal vote was to go to Wes Clark who I thought would have made the best canidate. However, He really wasnt well known by the population nation wide to gain enough ground in the race.. There are issue I dont like Kerry on...Some very issues that also deal with his views on gay/lesbians..Though He doesnt stand for putting into the constitution so that makes him the lesser evil on that debate. So I hope this clears it a bit up..No need to responed just a final word if you will..Thanks everyone for the debate.

oops Scout! should Have been Scout1 in the topic.. sorry lol seems I yelled at ya lol :P Cheers!

That was not an end to MAJOR Combat! Not even close! That was pretty much a victory speech and a political platform for Bush to gain ratings as our men were still dying... He may as well have gone to the super bowls half time right after Jannet Jackson exposed her breast and threw a big political party saying it Was the end to Major Combat! BS!! No way you can defend such a idiotic claim! Major combat..Most of our casualties came after his little show on the air craft carrier..Be like if Bush were in office durring nam and claiming an end to all major combat while the gorrilla was still raging taking lives.. "iraq,humm no country that plans a war plans for the other country to just say 'f88k this and leave the battlefield,whats going on now IS the result of political correctness" We shouldnt have been there in the first place! That whole thing was a lie.. And political correctness? You expect Kerry to be politically correct but not bush? Pollitically correct major battle still going on in Iraq! Lack in Afganistan.. Yes there is a major lack there of.. He pulled most of his recources that were in Afganistan to fight a LIE (just like vietnam).. all those recources that went into Iraq should have been used to track down bin laudin and take them out on the Pakastani/Afgan Border! Now we have terrorists In Iraq..All he did was spread it.. And now our troops will be in Iraq fighting a urban gorrilla war for years to come when they didnt have to! Kerry wouldnt have been so dumb as to attack Iraq and lie to us about doing it..Especially being a vietnam vet. "might have been a fragment that bounced back.....that IS documented,he also in his OWN diary stated they had NOT been under fire till several days after it...dont know about him but if one gets shot at,trust me one REMEMBERS " Lets just say this was all true.. He still got wounded..He still came under fire..he still has more experience than some pencil pusher from a rich family who dad protected him from nam..Much like cheny.. Regardless he severed in a combat zone! He has my respect just for not being a draft doger.. And I dont think he would run out economy like ENRON as bush and cheny are..OMG look at that nation debt! Wholly crap were in the red.. 100,000s jobs lost or shipped over seas..Great economic plan IMO. HEH.. Ya know he failed 3 times in his own business ventures right? I has no clue about economics..Where do you think he comes up with all his economic plans from..Not from him self I bet..And the ones he has in place are killing the economy..

btw what was the life expectancy for vet in vietnam? I beleive it was under a month! Another note wanst the same guy that claimed there was now small arms fire also claim Kerry had self inflicted wounds ? And now he was proven a lier on there being small arms fire? I dont really trust his account of things that happened..

"attrocities committed that aren't alltogether true " Umm yes they were.. Just look in the video recoreds of nam itself.. bombers even carpet bombed viliges.. farms..women and children. Alot of crimes took place in nam.. go to vietnam and read their records and videos and accounts..Alot of vets know what I speak of. Some may never have seen it..Some may never know.. I like to point out that they couldnt prove Kerry had self inflicted wounds.. Remember this was comming from a guy that couldnt prove much of anything.. And comming under small arms fire wasnt exactly small arms..Not like they had pistal battle there with little 22's.. And being there at all makes Kerry far more qualified even he were to have only earned in your eyes 1 purple heart! And doestn matter if Bush would have wanted to go or not..He wasnt there at all..He has no idea of how to be a commander and chief.. His actions over Iraq and lack there of in afganistan show his weakness. Do ya think Kerry would sit on the deck of a Aircraft Carrier and announce Victory for political gain while servicemen continue to die? I think not! Face it bush has no clue in economics or millitary command..The pentagon and national advisors doit for him at best.

actually option #2 is flawed.. US is primary target becuase its the strongest in ability to defend and finance. THe Islamic idiology is to make a perfect ilsamic world.. US got hit because if they can take out the top dog the rest will be far easier to manage.. Thier stategy to encomically run down the us..populate countries with terror networks wich include entire family lines.. Its a sneaky way to take control of a country..populate and minipulate the governing laws..Use terrorism to force political agendas..much like the case here in the states where they tried to make it legal for musslims to wear head scarves on their drivers license by claiming they are being treated wrongly or discriminated against..Now this doesnt include all muslims..So dont go picking on someone just cause they are! Option #1 is a bit extreeme although the concept is correct..Only a WWII style defense will over come and Idiology such as terrorism.. But going out to kill them all is not a kewl thing to sujest..They need a wake up call Im sure..Massive attack for evey terrorist attack would in fact lead to far less terrorism.. option #3..If you wanted to fight terrorism the easy way..this may sound insensitive..but if people were to carry small bottles of pigs blood on them at all times the terrorists very reason for committing suicide bombs would go out the window..As if it gets on them they dont go to paradise... Find ways to prevent them from going to paradise with what ever is left of them they probably wouldnt be willing to doit as much..barrie their remains in pig skin or whatever... make it world news and a policy..Only ppl that this would tipically offend would more or less likely be a sypathizer for terrorism or a human rights extreemist group who would protect hitler if they had a chance.

kicking ass doesnt excuse the use of service mens lives as a political stand! Bush has really pissed me off when he stood on that carrier while 3 fellow minnesotans died! Read the casualties we have taken sense his litte carrier claim of victory to boast his ratings!

Also he never claimed you were "we did NOT need be compared to hordes" Listen to the speech he gave.. He never was talking about u in the first place! He was talking about events amd crimes that happened.. And yes they happened wether you want to admit to it or not.. He didnt shame the vets.. he shamed those who committed crimes..Rape,Snipers cutting of ears as trophies,villiges be napalmed..it happens in war and there is nothing you can do about it..Crimes were committed and bad things happened in vietnam..Just simply admitt it and stop acting like every vet was an angel. If you havent committed these crimes you have nothing to be mad about..You should be proud and not condone hiding such things to paint a pretty picture that doesnt exist in war.

I think this kid has no idea what he speaks of.. If you really wanna know what war is my friend go to Iraq and serve under fire...Doesnt matter if kerry chooses to use his war record..He has that right.. All you guys can do is talk about his record but you never discuss Bushs severe lack there of.. Serving as a pencil pusher gets no credit for bravery from me. Bush is not fit to be a commander and chief..He has a severe lack in ability to judge or command a war. When you stand on a Aircraft Carrier and claim a victory to America and the world while your men are still dying in combat is so extreemely idiotic and a very insulting way to use the lives of our servicemen as a political stand of make belief glory.. You have got to be kidding that you think you can challenge any millitary and fitness of Kerry to be commander and Chief.. Bush is clueless..Im willing to bet hes not even in control and more of a puppet.