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Thanks Jug, you might be on to something there! Richard

Might this be it? "The modification featured a peculiar gun camera mounting on top of the canopy in what looked like a slightly oversized rear-view mirror housing, with the camera taking pictures through the gunsight using a mirror arrangement. The Izumrud radar was also fitted to three MiG-15UTI trainers, which were given the designation of "MiG-15UTIP". The Izumrud would not be fitted to any production MiG-15 fighters, but it would become a popular fit for the next generation of MiG fighters. Interestingly, in 1952 a MiG-15bis was fitted with a complete copy of the US AN/APG-30 radar gunsight used by the F-86, with the copy designated the "SRD-3 Grad (Hail)". The Izumrud radar turned out to be the better bet." http://www.airtoaircombat.com/background.a...d=42&bg=837

Hmmm Taz, However there is more! No Kum-Sok also states*: "The optical image (of six diamonds) would dissappear as we move in on the target. Then we had to rely on a simple cross-hair sight." Now, not in one single photograph of the sight area (out of maybe 40 including Korean war era film footage US and Soviet), do I see the P-40-type iron crosshairs. So I suppose, it might be optical cross hairs like the Mig-21 sight supposedly had in its gunsight. I want to model these optical crosshairs if they existed. So I need the Mig-15 manual to explain this to me. *"Mig-15 to Freedom" No Kum-Sok. McFarland. pp. 101-102

Well just remember that the Mig-21 cockpit gunsight that was done here at combat ace did indeed have fixed crosshairs and a moving reticle. So they got that from somewhere.

Does your manual have anything about those crosshairs in those pictures above. I have lots more Mig-15 gunsight photos with those crosshairs.

and for comparison, here are at least two reported Mig-15 (Fagot-A?) (Yawn, fagot does not mean what you think it means... it was a real name for a bundle of sticks of firewood and and the NATO name for the Mig-15) reticules with F-86s supposedly getting whacked. Note these reticules are the round British-made-in Poland types. (and double yawn, "fagged out" does not mean what you think it means...it means tired out or bedraggled).

Thanks, I need to know what that lower left toggle switch is for (the style varies for different references I have). I know the upper left one is the spoilers (Correct?) according to a FS reference I have.

Hmmm, so in Viper's pic earlier in this post (Mig-Alley I believe), the Mig-15 is diving and the HSI is showing blue I believe. In mine, I am climbing and it is showing blue... in the HSI. So which one is right, right or right?

Okay, is this what we are talking about (Look at HSI)? Let's hear some feedback please. I am getting dizzy. Thanks. Edit: I fixed the ball slip indicator on the HSI and added the "Спуск" at the top and "Подьем" at the bottom . Secondly, I added an earlier gunsight reticule which is a round British-style circle with a dot in the middle...but I think both would be correct. No Kum-Sok mentions a US style six diamond reticule in at least some of the Mig-15Bis' he flew. I also just dimmed the sight reticule to make it more pale like a light and less yellow.

Yeha! thanks! Please, Russian speakers can you translate this for us? In particular we need to know that if when you dive the airplane, does the little airplane symbol appear to climb above the horizon line more and more on the instrument and the more you dive, the more the little airplane symbol appears to climb higher above the horizon line (white line in the middle)? Thanks.

Sweet, look at that gunsight reticle (early British copy manufactured in Poland I believe) that had the British round circle with the dot in the middle. Yeppur. I don't see any rearview mirror like No Kum-Sok said in the three documentaries shown.

I hate to bring up the mirror thingie Taz...but evidence please How do you know that?

BTW, a real I'm having a real hard time figuring out just how much and at what point the Mig-15s were handicapped at what speeds by having the controls stiffen, going into uncommanded pitch up atttitudes and yawing (snaking). I think I read that the Mig-15s were so rapidly built that each Mig-15 (at least the early ones) differed in handling qualities so drastically that it just mattered what factory built it on what day. Some flew to their design limits perfectly and others acted like demons. Some flight tests stated at Mach .86 they had problems and others at higher Mach numbers I remember reading.

Well hotshot. :yes: Can you find better provable hard info about this mirror or missing mirror. I'm all ears. By the way, you are correct to bring up this issue in my opinion-but wrong in that you do not present hard evidence to the contrary while having such a righteous attititide without hard evidence first. Note that everyone else in this thread who makes a statement backs up their statements with hard evidence. Secondly, this defector was a professor at my university-Embry Riddle Aeronautical University...where I got a masters in Aviation. Until you (or anyone) can prove this mirror statement wrong, my statement stands. But of course, you might be right

Starfighter 2, do you own that FS mig-15 package? What happens when you climb with the horizontal indicator? Does it show that you are diving? Please, please post a picture of when you are climbing with that horizontal indicator! Thanks, I'm grasping at straws here.

Paladrian, I sincerely appreciate all the input you have given...and I have changed some things in the Mig cockpit due to your good information. Is it possible (and I don't know), that they put the word "descend" on the climb half so that it is a warning to the pilot that he must descend to get back to the horizon and vice versa? I've publicly laid my cards out in this thread. I've posted photos of everything I've said. Can you do the same please. This is like a scientific journal where we can back up what we say with evidence for all to see and analyze. Can you please copy and post that page of the Mig-17 manual which shows the artificial horizon with the lettering in this thread...just so that I know I'm not going nuts and we can all maybe analyze it. If I am going public with this batty reverse-color-upside-down-working Mig-15 artificial horizon (and I will if you can post your picture so I can back up my bizzare story!), then I am going to need your help... I'm still in shock... Thanks,

Now I am flummoxed. That thinking (not yours but the interpretation) is not just Russian but much farther east-Chinese!) I'm not saying that this is impossible...but I wish there were other references to verify this Chinese jigsaw puzzle one way or another...this is positively the weirdest thing I've ever seen in aviation in thirty years if true (and it might be true). I'm flabbergasted.

Thanks for your input. Brilliant find. I put this into my Mig-15 cockpit...and it reversed all right! Now when I dive, it shows that the airplane indicator is climbing above the horizon line and when I dive it shows that the airplane is climbing above the horizon line. Are you sure...anyone join it...that this is right? I sure don't remember this opposite, reversed ADI movement together when I flew the Mig-17. This is guaranteed to cause a crash. Frankly, I have over 600 hours and an instrument rating and I simply don't believe that this is the correct movement...how many hours do you have?

So, If I send you the cockpit, can you finish modding it...and stay true to the photos (just give me credit for at least some of the work).

Ha, Ha, Ha, you're joking right? See actual photos at the beginning of this thread. and for your "but the pits are missing the upper canopy frame/rearview mirror... ": 'In addition the Mig-15 had no rearview mirror in the cockpit'" -Korean war combat Mig-15 pilot No Kum-Sok in book entitled "A Mig-15 to Freedom", No Kum-Sok, McFarland. p.102. "So, where YOUR evidence???!!!" At least I do my homework. That is a true reference. :yes:

I've been slowly adding to this cockpit for over a year. It was time to get this bugger finished for everyone.

Thanks all. It is going to be a riot to hear people screaming that "you got the artificial horizon upside down" and "why don't the mirrors work" and "That ain't Russian...that's German language!" The Mig-15Bis/Mig-17 cockpit will be uploaded as soon as I get all the documentation worked up.

It's finished and I'm happy with with it!

Thanks for your hard and long work on this. Thanks too for the tutorial on it. The Kashmir terrain was a huge missing hole in the SFP1 community until you filled it.

I love that plane and model :yes: