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It stalls in a heartbeat with only the >gentlest of pulls on the stick. Any chance you could look at some more parts of the data.ini for a clue? Hmmm, I'm not so sure that modeling this (F.3) Tornado to stall so quickly with a tiny pull on the stick is so inaccuate. It (F.3) was known to be almost useless in a dogfight and an almost stand-in as a "there is nothing else" sort of aircraft (F-14 was too expensive for the Brits). It was, I believe, meant to be developed as an extremely long range patrol interceptor over the northern approaches to knock down russky bombers before they hit the UK or Nato. I remember, a study sim on the tornado a few years ago...and it had the same fast stall and useless dogfighting capabilities. It also has a swingwing design, which in this case, I remember reading, was not designed for dogfighting in any sense of the word (unlike the F-14)...just high speed, low level work. I suspect that if it is modeled any better in the stall, that it will be overmodeled. It was a pig I believe. I think that AmokFloo might just have modeled this right on and that it might have the best Tornado flight model out there now (no insults intended at all to anyone [i appreciate your work immensely]). I have flown the Mig-17 (in aerobatics) and the Cessna Citation, but am certainly no expert on the Tornado. During desert storm, it (F.3 with two air forces) was not allowed anywhere near the action....anyone have any input on any of this...? Thanks,

The new model will not only mimic loss of roll authority due to wing-warping above 460 KIAS, but will also suffer from 'Mach tuck" beyond 475 KIAS, a prelude to a total loss of pitch authority above 502 KIAS. The '17 did not have hydraulically boosted elevators, so it was all but humanly impossible to pull out of a dive in one by yanking back on the stick above that speed, even though the real aircraft often sported a retractable stick extender, just for that contingency. Great idea! Thanks!

Thanks, Nice! ..I did not know that it had been updated since several years ago.

There was a user-made AI mod that makes the Migs better opponents. I do not remember where I downloaded it...anyone? -Pitts2A