Baltika

OK, took a long time buffering. . . F A B So, when's it coming out??? BTW, what terrain are you using? Loving those multiple contrail fights at the end - how d'you do that? Cool S!

Hey kei, I saw your first trailer and loved it. I am stuck in a hotel room just now with cr*ppy wireless bandwith and can't see the new one yet, but I agree with suhsjake, I think you should make a mod I want to fly WoE 6 :yes: Cheers, baltika

Hi guys, I have similarly taken a nosedive into messing around with FMs for the first time - Wow is there a lot to learn. My hat off to those modders who crank these things out all the time - S! If you haven't read this yet, grab it now, I have printed off a hard copy, it's so useful:- http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/charleseaw/zips/SFNotes.zip Thanks to Charles for compiling the guide. Cheers, baltika

Great stuff Cheers

One more thing, Gepard's BoB terrain v1.4 is not part of the campign d/l pack. You have to get that from the terrain section here at combatace. Make sure you install Gepard's terrain before you install the campign files. Good luck, baltika

Hi hornetjock6, Sorry to hear you're having trouble. Like FastCargo says, more info on what is going wrong would help. It should just be a case of patching your game up to v083006, installing the wep pack, and copying the unpacked BoB d/l files into the correct folder, over-writing when requested. As much info as you can give would help. Cheers, baltika

Heartbreaking. My thoughts to his family.

Hi Brainless, Yes, I've seen this behaviour. There was a discussion on the destructability of bombers on the main BoB feedback thread, although, fair enough, it's getting a bit unwieldy to find what you want easily. To summarise:- If you look in the [aircraft]_data.ini for say the He-111H2, you'll see that the StructuralFactor= flag in each component part of the plane is set at values like 5.5 or 6.5. Those values are even higher for the Ju-88. That variable is a multiplier of the "hit points" each component has, so a value of 5 means it's 5 times stronger that a component with a value of 1. The Luftwaffe bombers are very strong structurally. They also have self-sealing fuel tanks, with fire suppression, and a lot of armour. You will see all these variables set in the _data.ini for each plane. The upshot of this is that the bombers are damn hard to destroy without cannon fire. The early Spitfires and Hurricanes were not cannon-armed, so the bombers soak up a lot of damage from your 8 .303 Brownings. This is a fairly well-debated subject, but I have read enough accounts of bombers making it back to base with hundreds of bullet holes in them to reach the view that the bombers are as tough as they ought to be in the BoB campaign. Try downloading a Spit 2b and taking it for a whirl on an SP intercept mission. Watch what a difference cannon fire makes to the bombers. I have included 151 Sqdn RAF as a playable because of documented accounts of that squadron experimenting with cannon-armed Hurricanes. As you progress through the campaign you will get to try out a Hurri 2B (12x Brownings) and Hurri 2C (4x Hispano Cannon). This is veering close to arcade-style weapons upgrades and is a mite unhistorical, but it is intended to be fun, and to overcome the frustration factor caused by the difficulty of downing bombers. It also rewards the player for surviving through the campaign You have B Bandy RFC to thank for 151 Sqdn as presently set up - cheers Bandy 19 Sqdn experimented with cannon-armed Spits much earlier in BoB, but they proved so unreliable they asked for their Browning armed Spits back. Of course, feel free to tweak the bomber _data.inis if you wish. Capun has posted instructions early in the BoB feedback thread on how to alter settings for the gunners - see post #6 on page 1. I have experimented with adding hitboxes (MinExtentPosition= and MaxExtentPosition= values) to both the engines and engine nacelles (I forget which component doesn't have them, just cut & paste the values from the relevant engine to the matching nacelle, or vice-versa). In the end of the day, the RAF found it hard to knock down bombers. It's pretty tough in the BoB campaign, but I think that is as it should be. With practice you can get results - and thanks for your tips on how to do it you posted in the other thread. Of course, you could always remove the self-sealing tanks and fire suppression from the bombers, but wouldn't that be cheating Happy hunting, baltika

OK, here's a quick fix to the "ships that sail on land" problem:- Open up the Battle of Britain_movement.ini file in wordpad or notepad. Scroll down to [Route007] and [Route008] Cut and paste the following as replacements:- [Route007] RouteType=SHIPPING StartArea=Port of Brighton EndArea=Portsmouth Harbour RoutePosition[001]=712000,570500 RoutePosition[002]=666666,570000 RoutePosition[003]=630000,562000 RoutePosition[004]=598000,570000 [Route008] RouteType=SHIPPING StartArea=Port of Le Havre EndArea=Port of Cherbourg RoutePosition[001]=727750,413000 RoutePosition[002]=578000,456000 RoutePosition[003]=540000,456000 Save your amended _movement.ini file. Go and sink some ships I will thoroughly overhaul the _movement.ini file for the next release, as we now have many more port facilities thanks to Gepard's hard work on updating his terrain. In the meantime, thanks for the bug report, keith. If anyone else spots any odd behaviour, drop me a line. Cheers, baltika

Hi Keith, Shipping routes are controlled by the Battle of Britain_movement.ini file in the terrain folder. There are a number of routes, those defined as "shipping" set the waypoints for ships in anti-ship missions. Looking at the version of the file released with v 0.60, I think a couple of routes are short on waypoints, with the result that your ships will sail overland. Apologies for not spotting that one pre-release, and thanks for the heads-up. If you want to fiddle, the co-ordinates are absolute map co-ordinates which you can find out using KMD. The idea is to set waypoints which are over sea rather than overland, obviously. I am about to leave on a business trip, so it will be the weekend at least before I can take a look at it. So, v0.61 coming along nicely then Cheers mate, baltika

Wrench - Beautiful work Thank you (Cracks fingers) You guys just won't let me rest (time for BoB v0.61) As for your ETO Tomahawks - where are they, sir!?!?! But first, I'm off to the MTO - there is something on my hard-drive I have to get out there - Wrench, you completed the 112 Sharkmouth Sqdn ensemble - the least I can do is justice! Cheers mate, baltika

Brainless, You have belied your handle by use of your noggin, sir! I try to fly, between modding, but downing 7 Do17s in one mission is beyond me S! You da man ;-) Glad to hear you are having fun with BoB campaign - it is still a WIP, so what do you want to see in v0.61? Can't promise to deliver, but B Bandy RFC's comment about the phases of BoB led to lots of headscratching, resulting in the new improved phased campaign - how is it faring in the harsh light of public oprobium? Anyone survived past the Kanalkampf yet? With apologies for thread-hijacking, I too have had difficulties deleting pilots from within the SFP1 UI, so cheers for the tip, Wrench (when you releasing your ETO Tomahawk? ) baltika

Drool. . . Want that ETO Tomahawk - have recently been reading about the squadron who flew them from old Blighty - would make a marvellous addition to BoB v0.61 Great stuff baltika

Excellent thinking, and thanks for posting your USAAF info, as I have been trouble tracking that sort of thing down. Full RAF squadron histories right here, down to service dates of each squadron's aircraft & details of movements around the various theatres: http://www.rafweb.org/Menu.htm And here's the link to Michael Holm's excellent site which will provide more info on Luftwaffe units, types in service, commanding officers and wartime bases than you can ever hope to assimilate (believe me, I'm trying ) http://www.ww2.dk/ Good luck with the project. The more WW2 campaigns the better, IMHO. Cheers, baltika

IIRC, there is a limit to the numbers of flyable squadrons from the [campaign]_data.ini which are called from the [campaign].ini file. So when I build a campaign, I always list my flyable squadrons at the start of the _data.ini, with the non-flyable squadrons listed after. It sounds like your flyable squadron call has exceeded that limit, so it is calling the 1st squadron listed in the [campaign]_data.ini. tn_prvteye is right, that generally means a lot of tedious work renumbering squadrons. It is easier to demonstrate what this means than to describe it. Take a look a the relationship between the [campaign].ini (which calls the flyable squadrons) and [campaign]_data.ini (which lists all squadrons, flyable and non-flyable) files in my campaigns here at combatace, to get the idea. (Burning Sands '44 id the quicker d/l) Also, the [campaign].ini calls start over at 1 when you change nation, just to be extra confusing. That's why I list my flyables in matching order in the [campaign].ini and [campaign]_data.ini files. Otherwise it's too easy to get totally lost It doesn't help that the stock campaigns are generally not ordered in such a tidy manner - but then maybe I'm just over-compulsive cheers, baltika

File Name: Battle of Britain Campaign Pack - Beta v0.60a File Submitter: Baltika File Submitted: 13 September 2007 File Category: User Made Campaigns Battle of Britain Campaign Beta v0.60a ******************************************************************************************* This is a campaign for use on Gepard's excellent Battle of Britain terrain v1.4 It will run on SFP1, WoV and WoE, although only fully tested on SFP1. My thanks in particular to Gepard, capun, B Bandy RFC and CA_Stary for their encouragement, inspiration and contributions to v0.60, but this is very much a group effort, so there are many others who have my thanks for making this project a pleasure to work on. Please see the credits below. Thanks also to everyone who has posted feedback on this campaign, and to everyone who has entered into the spirit of things by contributing mods of their own. S! to the merry band of WW2 propheads ;-) ***************************************************************************************** CAMPAIGN CONTENT: FLYABLE SQUADRONS:- RAF 1 Sqdn RAF - Hurricane 1, transition to Hurricane 2A 25 Sqdn RAF - Blenheim Mk1F, transition to Beaufighter Mk1NF 41 Sqdn RAF - Spitfire 1A, Spitfire 2A 82 (United Provinces) Sqdn RAF Bomber Command - Blenheim Mk1 151 Sqdn RAF - Hurricane 1, transition to Hurricane 2B then Hurricane 2C 242 (Canadian) Sqdn RAF - Hurricane 1 303 (Kosciusko) Sqdn RAF (Polish) - Hurricane 1 310 (Czechoslovak) Sqdn RAF - Hurricane 1, Hurricane 2A 603 (City of Edinburgh) Sqdn RAF - Spitfire 1A, Spitfire 2A 1 Sqdn RCAF - Hurricane 1, Hurricane 2A Luftwaffe II./JG26 "Schlageter" (Bf 109E-3) I./JG53 "Pik As" (Bf 109E-3) II./KG1 "Hindenburg" (He-111H3) I./KG76 (Do-17Z) I./KG51 "Edelweiss" (Ju-88A4) II./ZG76 (Bf-110C) II./StG1 (Ju 87b) Stab, 1./ and 2./ Staffeln - Erprobungsgruppe 210 (Bf-110C) 3./Erprobungsgruppe 210 (Bf-109E-3B Fighter-Bomber) MISC:- Modded OPTIONS.INI and INSTANTACTION.INI for BoB-style instant action Revised "Battle of Britain_movement.ini" file for more active shipping lanes to bomb and truck routes to strafe. Squadron-specific intro, victory and defeat screens. Phased campaign:- 1. Kanalkampf - Battle over the Channel 2. Adlerangriff - RAF Fighter Command under Attack 3. Operation Loge - Terror over London 4. Operation Seelöwe - The Nazi Invasion of England ******************************************************************************************** INCLUDED FILES:- The following files are included in this download. I am extremely grateful to the devs and modders concerned for allowing me to include their work in this package. My thanks to them. All feedback, issues, gripes and bitching re this package should be directed to baltika, not these guys, OK? As well as their excellent contributions, they have just made everyone's life easier by making this campaign more of a one-stop shop. You are not permitted to mod or distribute their files without the express written consent of the owner of the particular file. ********************** AIRCRAFT:- ********************** Bf 109E-3 - Plane & skins by RussoUK2004, virtual pit by Kesselbrut, pilots by The Wrench Bf 109E-3B Fighter-Bomber - Plane & skins by RussoUK2004, virtual pit by Kesselbrut Ju-87B - Model & "the rest" by Pasko, FM by Starfighter, virtual pit by Kesselbrut, skins by Gramps, special thanks to dsawan. Hurricane 2A - B Bandy RFC's mod of A-team Hurricane 1 Spitfire 2A - B Bandy RFC's mod of A-team Spitfire 1 (Hurri2A & Spit2A are incomplete, requiring the lod files from the DAT Hurri1 and Spit1) Some alternative _data.inis (in Extras folder) - B Bandy RFC All RAF Fighters have guns harmonised at 250 yards. Thanks to B Bandy RFC, Tailspin and capun! ************************* SKINS:- ************************* Spitfire 603 Sqdn RAF - rebadging of Gramps' 41 Sqdn Spitfire skin by baltika Stuka STG3 - swayne64 He-111H2 - IIIKG55 } - IVKG55 } - IVKG53 } He-111H3 - IIKG1 } - IIKGR100 } - IIKGR100 green } Allenjb42 - StabKGR53 } - IIIKGR100 } He-111H4 - FuX } - IIIKG126 } - WO } ************************ GROUNDOBJECTS:- ************************ BritSquad - Kesselbrut, Pasko GerSquad - Kesselbrut, Pasko Crusader Mk 1 Tank - RussoUK2004 Destroyer - Modified Benham Class Destroyer by capun, 3d model by Mikewhl KriegFlakDestroyer - Geo PzKpfw-IVA - RussoUK2004 StuGIIIB - Kesselbrut PzKpfw-IIIF - Kesselbrut ************************ OTHER MODS:- ************************ WW2 Formations mod - Charles Battle of Britain Mainscreen and Campaign Screen - Kout Battle of Britain Music Pack - Allenjb42 WW2 Era Map icons - Geo and Charles WW2 RAF & Luftwaffe pilot photos - pcpilot WW2 aircraft damage TGAs - The Wrench WW2 Green Wooden hangars & shelters - CA_Stary WW2 Effects Pack v0.91 - CA_Stary Battle of Britain pilot photos - B Bandy RFC Towns, villages and London Parks mod (beta) - CA_Stary Pinup "Mimi" by Elvgren } Wrench (Spit 1A, Hurri 1 & Bf-110) BoB themed loading screens} baltika (Spit 2A, Hurri 2A, Bf-109-3 & -3B, Ju-87b) } Full credit to artists N. Trudgian & R. Taylor ************************ CAMPAIGN FILES:- ************************ All BoB Campaign files, UI screenshots - baltika *************************************************************************************** REQUIRED FILES:- You will need to download these separately. AIRCRAFT:- ******** SFP1 Dev A-team (capun, Gramps, Charles, Kesselbrut & The Wrench) Hurricane 1 Hurricane 2B Hurricane 2C Spitfire 1A Blenheim Mk1 Blenheim Mk1F Beaufighter Mk1 Beaufighter Mk1NF Hurricane 2B Hurricane 2C Ju-88A4 Do-17Z Bf 110C-4 He-111H2 - Allenjb42's mod of A-team He-111H6 He-111H3 - Allenjb42's mod of A-team He-111H6 He-111H4 - Allenjb42's mod of A-team He-111H6 Available at capun's Skunkworks website. Member Registration and login required for d/l. http://cplengineeringllc.com/SFP1/ TERRAIN:- ******* Battle of Britain v 1.4 by Gepard http://forum.combatace.com/index.php?autom...p;showfile=5203 OTHER ESSENTIAL DOWNLOADS:- ************************* WW2 Weapons pack, compiled by The Wrench from Bunyap's wep pack http://forum.combatace.com/index.php?autoc...p;showfile=8495 REALLY, REALLY NICE TO HAVE, PLUS IT TOOK ME AGES TO COMPILE, SO TRY IT OUT, OK?:- ******************************************************************************** WW2 RAF SPEECHPACK, COMPILED BY BALTIKA http://forum.combatace.com/index.php?autoc...p;showfile=5533 ********************************************************************************************* * * * HEALTH WARNING * * * INSTALLATION OF THIS MOD WILL OVERWRITE THE FOLLOWING FILES, WHICH WILL BREAK THE STOCK INSTALL AND ANY OTHER MODS WHICH RELY ON THESE FILES. BACKUP THESE FILES BEFORE INSTALLATION SO YOU CAN RESTORE THEM IF NECESSARY. Strike Fighters/PilotData/SquadronList.ini Strike Fighters/OPTIONS.INI Strike Fighters/Flight/INSTANTACTION.INI Strike Fighters/Flight/FORMATION.INI Strike Fighters/Flight/MISSIONCONTROL.INI Strike Fighters/Flight/NATIONS.INI Strike Fighters/Menu/campaignscreen.bmp Strike Fighters/Menu/CAMPAIGNSCREEN.INI Strike Fighters/Menu/MAINSCREEN.INI Strike Fighters/Menu/{all menu music}.wav files Strike Fighters/Terrain/Battle of Britain/Battle of Britain_movement.ini Strike Fighters/Terrain/Battle of Britain/Battle of Britain_targets.ini Strike Fighters/Terrain/Battle of Britain/Battle of Britain_types.ini And many others! Check the download package before installing over a modded install! You have been warned! ******************************************************************************************** INSTALLATION INSTRUCTIONS 1. Install SFP1/WoV/WoE (For WoV & WoE follow Wrench's instructions to create an era-specific install - see KB at combatace) 2. Patch up to v 083006 3. Delete all stock aircraft 4. Install the DAT aircraft listed above 5. Install Wrench's WW2 wep pak. 6. Install Gepard's BoB terrain v1.4. For detailed instructions on how to do this, see the readme file for the terrain. 7. Copy the Battle of Britain campaign mod files to the relevant folder of your new install. The simplest thing is to retain the file structure and copy the unpacked files over. Items in the Campaigns, Flight, Menu, Missions, Objects and Objects/Aircraft, PilotData, Sounds and Terrain folders go into those same folders in your new install. The options.ini file goes into your main Strike Fighters folder. When asked to overwrite existing files, say "Yes" each time. YOU DID BACK UP THOSE FILES LISTED ABOVE, DIDN'T YOU? 8. Copy the file Hurricane-R10D.LOD from the Hurricane1 folder into the Hurricane2A folder. 9. Copy all the Spitfire .LOD files from the Spitfire1A folder into the Spitfire2A folder. 10. That's it. Battle of Britain should now be available at the campaign menu. Happy hunting! ******************************************************************************************** KNOWN ISSUES:- 1. Finally sorted out the "random movement of air units" bug. That was the main problem which meant this campaign was a beta release. You should now see a lot more air activity on both sides. 2. Victory conditions. "Winning" a campaign depends on your Force capturing the enemy Base node. So the best the RAF can hope for is a lose or a stall. No invasion of Fortress Europe in 1940! As for the Luftwaffe, well. . . 3. The RAF fly a lot of intercept missions, and they're hard. Good luck! Use high energy boom and zoom attacks, or frontal attacks for best results. Try to keep your wingies alive. Remember this is a war of attrition, so kills matter. Ignore Bitchin' Betty when she tells you to RTB, mission failed. Finish off those bombers! As an extra hint, the campaign engine does not fix intercept waypoints very efficiently. If you rely on them, you will not intercept bomber formations until they are on top of their target - by which time it's too late. Use planning map to move your waypoints to show the most direct route between waypoint 2 and your objective point. Then use Red Crown to give you the best vector to your target. Intercept those bombers while they are still out there! 4. In order to make the phased campaign work properly, I have brought forward the front-line operational dates of certain squadrons (303, 310, 603 and 1 RCAF) to the start of July 1940. This is clearly non-historical. However, having later start dates meant that the timings of the phased campaign were thrown out of kilter, so I chose this as the lesser of two evils. ******************************************************************************************** Credits:- Thanks to Gepard, the A-team, RussoUK2004, Kesselbrut, allenjb42, Pasko, Bunyap, Charles, Kout, Cellinsky, swayne64, pcpilot, CA_Stary, B Bandy RFC, George (Geo) and, of course TK and Thirdwire. Let me also express my grateful thanks to those Devs and modders listed above who have granted permission to allow their work to be included in this package. That makes installation a whole lot easier! And, of course, without their work, this campaign would, quite simply, not exist. Thanks to all! If I have missed anyone out please let me know and I will add your name, with my apologies. Orders of Battle and Unit strengths are taken from the appendices to "The Most Dangerous Enemy - A History of the Battle of Britain" by Stephen Bungay, ISBN 1-85410-801-8. Thoroughly recommended for those with an interest in the Battle of Britain. ***************************************************************************************** Legal Notice:- You are not permitted to re-distribute any of the 3rd-party files included in this package without the prior written consent of the owner of the file concerned. Modding of the campaign files written by baltika for the free use of the community is, however, actively encouraged. Share your results. But if anyone is planning a payware BOB conversion, don't you dare use any of the campaign files in this mod for your bloodsucking financial gain, unless you make me a decent offer first ;-) Tally-ho, chaps! baltika ************************************************************************************************ Changelog:- 0.50 - Initial release 0.51 - Revised Planeset 0.52 - Revised "MissionChance[XXX]=" values for all air units (Thanks, Charles!) 0.53 - Revised Aircraft Replacement Times & percentages for each Force 0.54 - Added WW2 period map icons by Geo and Charles 0.55 - Revised Experience and Morale values for all Air Units 0.56 - SFP1 Dev A-Team & allenjb42 aircraft included as part of the package. Thanks! 0.57 - Added WW2 RAF and Luftwaffe Pilot photos (Thanks pcpilot!) 0.58 - Added Allenjb's Battle of Britain Music Pack. Thanks Allen! 0.59 - Added RussoUK2004's BF 109E-3B Fighter-Bomber. Added 3./Erprobungsgruppe 210 as flyable squadron to fly it. Thanks Russo! 0.60 - Added swayne64's STG3 skin - Added The Wrench's damage TGAs - Revised DefaultTexture= for some air units - 25 Sqdn RAF transition to Beaufighter Sept '40 - Added SFP1 Dev A-team Beaufighter MK1NF - Added SFP1 Dev A-team Blenheim MK 1F - Added 3rd zoom level for mission planning map - Added 15 Sqdn RAF Bomber Command as flyable unit (Blenheim Mk1) - Czech and Polish Squadrons now display correct nationality Pilot names at Flight Roster - RCAF Squadron now has appropriate nationality selection & pilot names - Individual plane numbers enabled in campaign file - 242 (Canadian) Sqdn available as flyable - 19 Sqdn flyable replaced by 603 Sqdn as flyable - Added Hurricane 2A and Spitfire 2A mods by B Bandy RFC - Added WW2 effects pack v 0.91 and WW2 green wooden hangars by CA_Stary - Phased campaign to allow for historical campaign progression - Revised terrain files (TYPES and TARGETS .ini) for phased campaign - Added British Channel Convoys - Armed CargoShip Mod - Implemented gun harmonisation mod to RAF fighters - Revised RAF Order of Battle and unit names/mottos - Revised Squadron histories for some flyable units - Added Squadron upgrade paths in interests of gameplay - Added various ground objects - Operation Sealion - Added CA_Stary's Towns, Villages and London Parks mod to terrain (beta release). Cheers Przemek! - Revised Luftwaffe flyable Geschwadern to match available skins - Revised Luftwaffe unit names - BoB themed loading screens 0.60a- DAT aircraft removed from this download package, - by request of the creator of those 3d models for SFP1/WOx series of games. - Sorry chaps, but it's his call to make. ************************************************************************************************* Click here to download this file

Tally Ho! v0.60 currently awaiting clearance here at combatace Please make sure you have installed Gepard's excellent BoB terrain v1.4 before you install v0.60 of the campaign, or the phased campaign won't run properly, and you will miss out on CA_Stary's fabulous town & village mod (previewed earlier in this thread). A big thank you in particular this time round to B Bandy RFC, CA_Stary, capun and, of course, Gepard for their hard work and encouragement. Cheers guys As ever, all feedback greatly appreciated. But look, I know already, most military historians say the Royal Navy would have scuppered Sealion even if the Luftwaffe had achieved total air superiority. Good job for the Wehrmacht that SFP1/WoV/WoE doesn't model sea battles. . . yet Got my thinking cap on for v0.61 Enjoy baltika

Sorry chaps, I made an abortive attempt to upload the v0.60 package today. I have had to pull the file as a very incomplete version of the package had appeared. Anyone who has uploaded the v0.60 which appeared (briefly) today, please delete it as it will like as not break your install. Working on getting the full version uploaded. Cheers, baltika

Just wanted to add my thanks to Gepard for his hard work on updating his BoB terrain to v1.4 Cheers mate, the upgrade is thoroughly appreciated, thanks v0.60 of the campaign pack will be released as soon as humanly possible, I promise. Of course, prior installation of Gepard's v1.4 terrain is thoroughly recommended (not to say essential), so don't feel you have to wait, Bandy

Just wanted to say thanks for the WW2 campaigns and skins you have been releasing recently. Great stuff Cheers baltika

Yes, I've run into this problem as well in the BoB campaign. What I've found is that altering the mission waypoints before you T/O does help, at least in BoB. If you go in to mission planner you will see that the game picks out a long looping intercept course to the mission objective waypoint, which is a fixed point. What I do is move the intervening moveable points (point 3 to mission objective point) into as near a direct line as possible, take off manually, then alt N when airborne. Make sure that your final moveable point is between the intercept point and the attacking bomber's target, which is also a waypoint, closer to the intercept point. Using that method, I often arrive on station at the intercept point and Red Crown tells me the incoming primary targets are still 50+ miles away, which gives me plenty of time to manoeuvre my slow-ass flight into a good bounce position, often upwards of 20 miles from the bombers' target, which at BoB speeds gives plenty of time to get a mission success. That's on the few occasions I can get my eight Brownings to knock a hole in the thick hide of the Luftwaffe bombers. . . Just a thought. Good luck baltika

Bandy- In the readme to the campaign files, scrapper credits Russo with the Jagdtiger and the PZKW IV. I'm not sure if these are available for separate d/l. Perhaps drop Russo a PM? Wrench- I have also been working through the various "loose" groundobject files in the EuroWW2 terrain (and a couple of others) to "folder" them as separate groundobjects in the post-SP4 format. Handy for campaign building, but, as you say, very time consuming Given the current renaissance of interest in the WW2 era, might there be some mileage in putting together a comprehensive WW2 Groundobjects pack? Geo has a great one (or two!) on his site, but those obviously only cover his stuff. I appreciate that probably many permissions will be required, but I'm happy to do some gruntwork to put it together, contributors willing. (Apologies if this is verging on thread-hijacking, but the purpose is in keeping with the original question, I think ) Cheers, baltika

Hi Gramps, Just in case you stop by, as I am having trouble accessing your site- I have put together the latest BoB campaign update (v0.60), and I would like to include a mod of your Spit 1A skin. I would be very grateful if you would grant permission for me. This is a very simple re-badging to show appropriate squadron codes for 603, together with a/c serial numbers for actual birds which flew with 603. And, yes, OK, there is a non-historical squadron crest, but I just kinda liked that. Here is a quality control screenshot:- As an added bribe, I have amended the flyables in v 0.60 to include 242 Sqdn, and 41 Sqdn, so at least some sqdns will be flying under the correct colours If you are OK with it, I would like to make similar skins for the other flyable sdqns, based on your work, especially the Polish and Czech sqdns. Cheers for all your WW2 stuff baltika

Sure thing, Already done, plus PMs to Gramps here & at SimHQ. No joy so far. Cheers, baltika