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Still .. there's a huge difference when F-16s are sold to a terrorist loving country and when weapons are sold to country that's been the victim of that terrorism. One uses it to support terror operations whereas other would use to fight against terror.

Thanks a lot 101tfs for making different versions of the J-7. They sure look great :yes: . Can't wait for the files to get approved and show up for downloading .

Congratulations FC

The C-130J is a mission optimized machine for the Special Forces, and is not being procured to serve in the traditional transport role. A lot of specialized electronic equipment has been crammed into the aircraft. (See the attached PDF) The Indo-Russian MTA will be replacing the AN-32 fleet. I feel the airlift capability hs improved over the years, Operation Cactus & IPKF Ops in Sri Lanka are shining examples of this. Why buy C-17s when you still have IL-76s? India became interested in the C-130J during exercises with US Special Forces. Niether the An-32 nor the IL-76 has the ability to do spec ops missions. In late 2006, there was some talk about the IAF showing interest in the C-17, hence its appearance at Aero India 07. I think the IAF backed out when Boeing mentioned the unit cost. Besides Heavy airlift capability is being fulfilled by IL-76s(some of them have been upgraded). India_07_33.pdf

The F-7M has a British Type 226 Skyranger radar.Its a ranging radar with a range of 15 km.

Well Done. Paki propoganda reproduced here perfectly. Good Job. I see no point in arguing about it. India not facing a threat from Islamic radicals? Think again!!!!! How many Indians have lost lives and loved ones in terrorist attacks? Don't try and compare threat levels from Islamic radicals. Because a life lost to these terror attacks casues as much pain to an Indian as it does to an American or an European. Its akin to the Iraqi Info minister , during the American invasion of Iraq, saying "the americans are not here" What a joke!!!!! You still don't realise the Paki govt-ISI-Fundamentalist nexus , do you? Its like you saying "the glass is half empty" and me saying "the glass is half full". Nopoint in debating further. Does Iskander Mirza, Yahya Khan, Ayub Khan, Zia-ul Haq ring a bell? If you think BJP is as radical or fanatical as Taliban you are living in a fool's paradise. Agreed their policies and thier talk are not good. I don't like them either.In case you didn't know, the BJP has Muslim,Sikh, CHristian members as well. Comparing it with the Taliban is blowing it out of proportion. Let me tell you BJP came to power not just because of "kill pakis", "Kill muslims" issue. They have done development as well. Gujarat is among the most prosperous and industrialised states in India. It has the best network of highways in the country. Agreed that it is the most volatile state interms of riots, but then again it is among the most developed states in the country. If you still want to bash the BJP & India, be my guest. I would not care less. You say that Indian Arlines Fokker F.27 was allowed to land in Pakistan. But you conveniently forget that it was blown up and the hijackers allowed to escape? Sikh extremism in Punjab in the 80s was an effort by Pakistan to destabilise India further. You think if there was popular support from within Indian Punjab, the movement would have died down as it did? A Sikh police chief is credited with putting down the unrest. Think about it. IAF is not PAF. the discipline & professionalism is uncomparable. The armed forces, as has been made clear many times, by the respective service chiefs, dos not have any political affiliations. I wish the same could be said about you know who. Proxy Wars? Was India mad to send in the IPKF to SL to maintain peace and then later fight the LTTE, in process losing many soldiers? Funny you mention Nepal because the Maoists(get the hint??) were causing trouble in Nepal, not Indians. Hell , that fight against the LTTE, as a result of which , we lost one of our greatest leaders, Mr. Rajiv Gandhi to a suicide bomber. Actaully the already have. Zawahiri on tape has threatned India for killing thousands of muslims. he of course has bigger issues now to deal with than India I could go on arguing point to point, but i see that there's no pont in it.No country is perfect. You talk as if India should become perfect in every sense and remove all of its ills in one swipe. If it could, may be India would have become another USA, which it can't.

Please don't be-little the ultimate sacrifice made by the brave man by saying he was trying to show off . You think the govt. was mad to award him India's highest gallantry award? http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/HEROISM/Sharma.html It is because of men like these that the Indian Army is what it is today. It is not an army which refuses to accept the bodies of its own soldiers(Hint HInt!!!!) Yeah Right !!!!!There's a huge difference between official records and the actual ground situation. One has to wonder from where and how the so-called tribesmen receive traning so soon to use small arms, mortars and heavy automatic weapons!!! They obviously were backed by Paki Army regulars. Yeah, what happened in Gujarat in 2002 was shameful. But to say that thousand of muslims get burnt every year is a heavy over statement. Let me tell, I live in the state of Gujarat(read where am in from) and here muslims don't get burnt every year, as you claim. People have moved on . So, I can't help it if you want to believe what each and every stupid Paki in some pak-panda forum has to say . Read about the 1965 Operation Gibralter & the other operation whose name I can't recall that was launched by the Pakis in 1965 . The Indian forces were caught unawares when the Pakis launched a full scale Invasion on Indian posts in Kashmir. Had India expected it, why would Vampires have been sent in the first place (knowing fully well that F-86s may be providing support to Paki Army), when India had much more capable Hunters and Mysteres stationed at the same airbase where Vampires were based. It was the urgency of the situation that forced to get the Vampires to get airborne.As it turned out, the Vampires were mauled by the F-86s, to add to the confusion, all this was happening in fading light. I guess when Pakis launched that armoured thrust in Kutch area, just before the 1965 war, they were just fooling around, right? I am sorry to say this, but all all this crap about about US having control over American supplied Paki weapins is pure BS. Who had control over them when M-48s and M-24s rolled over Indian posts in Kutch? It happened in 1965 and it will happen again in the future as well. In 1971, Nixon's order to USN's 7th Fleet to sail into the Bay of Bengal was an attempt to bully India. You still don't get it , do you? It was the Pakis who provoked us into starting a war and love branding us as the aggressors. Had India ben prepared, Pakis would have lost half of their attacking planes. Indian pilots were much more better than their Arab AF counterparts. US, of course, looking at Paki-land as an ally, simply believes what it has to say and that time, it of course looked at India as a Soviet ally. Kargil & Siachen are different areas. So , acc. to you,that gave pakis the the right to occupy the Indian heights around Kargil, right?. We should have just kept quiet when Pakis shelled the National Highway in an attmept to cut off Kashmir from Ladakh.Look dude, the Kargil episode was very emotioanl issue for us. Would appreicate if it is put to an end now. Satellite TV brought the war to our homes. We saw dead, bodies of our brave young men being carried off just because some stupid Paki General(read Musharraf) wanted to occupy Kargil. You realise what kind of anger that was generated in India when Sqdn Ldr Ahuja's body was handed back or when the mutliated , tortured bodies of missing soldiers of Indian patrols were returned back? What Rubbish!!!!!! You think Paki-land would have kept queit had the Indian PM threatened it? What was the need to use NW anyway? The Indian Army re-captured those heights, the combined onslaught of IAF, IA made the pakis runaway. Besides, if the IAF & Army really wanted to attack Pakistan, the IAF would have tried to hit the supply lines across the LOC. It was not threat from NWs that caused Pakis to back off. But the talk that PM Sharif recieved from President Clinton. Why do you think Sharif was furious at Mush? Why did he want to fire him from the Army Cheif's post for the Kargil fiasco? Why was his plane not allowed to land in Pakistan? Why did Mush overthrow Nawaz Sharif? Then, there was of course the major Indian Navy buildup in Western India. May be if things got out of hand further, a repeat of Karachi Fireworks 1971 would have happened again, courtesy of the IN . Those b@stards even refused to accept the bodies of their own soldiers. What sort of an army does that? Why was the PA Northern LI disbanded after Kargil? Surviving members were quielty decorated. Why did the Pakis not react strongly when their Atlantique was shot down by IAF MiG-21s in Kutch? Their appeal in an international court was shot down as well.

Alright, here's the article Lal Masjid’s new chief takes old line: democracy is no solution

yeah, that' the reason why the airbases in eastern India are being upgraded to base Su-30MKIs(currently airbases in the east house MiG-21s and MiG-27s & a lone Su-30MKI sqdn). The Navy & Air Force base at Andaman & Nicobar Islands are being upgraded to keep a watch on the Chinese activity especially in Burma.

The Maharaja wanted Kashmir to be independent and was not willing to join either Pakistan or India. It was only when Pakis occupied half of Kashmir, he requested the Indian govt for help. If the Mahraja wanted to join the Indian Union, he would have requested for Indian forces much before half of his state was lost to the Pakis. Hell, When the first Indian C-47s landed at Srinagar airfield, it was in danger of being over run by Paki forces. Read about the heroics of Major Somnath Sharma, 4th Btn, Kumaon Regt., Indian Army. "The enemy are only 50 yards from us. We are heavily outnumbered. We are under devastating fire. I shall not withdraw an inch but will fight to our last man and our last round."

1947 : Whose forces went on a killing, looting, raping spree in Kashmir? 1965 : Who crossed the LOC and whose fighters caused downing of the defending IAF Vampires on the first day? 1971: Which side made pre-emptive strikes on almost all major Indian airfields? 1987(almost): Whose forces built up near the border first? 1999 : Who occupied the Kargil heights & returned badly mutliated bodies of Indian soldiers? 2002(almost): Who masterminded the attack on Indian parliament, the very symobol of our democracy? Who is training terrorists at training camps and sending them across the border to kill Indians and running a proxy war? The man who was freed in exchange for the passengers of the Indian Airlines Flight IC-814, today roams free in Pakistan and freely gives inflammatory, anti-Indian speeches. Its been always a part of paKistan's policy to hurt India and "bleed Indian through a thousand cuts". You think if a solution to Kashmir problem was found, that they would keep quiet? See the support to the insurgency that the Pakis gave in Indian Punjab in the 1980s? Makes sense? How many times has an Indian General rasied a military coup in India? 0. How many times a Paki General raised a coup in Pakistan? Agreed. But things are improving and will keep on improving in the future. Its not like the old days where western world had an impression of my country to be full of homeless, poor people. During the Tsunami, the Navy & Air Force had sufficent resouces to take care of the areas hit by the Tsunami, that's why it released some of its ships to help other countries. (Not because it wanted to deny its own people food & shelter)In case you didn't know, the Air Force base in the A& N islands was badly hit by the Tsunami. The Air Force lost may personnel and their famlies. Yet crews of some Mi-8s based at Car Nicobar base ,instead of helping their own families, got airborne immediately and were flying missions to help stranded people. Interviews of such heroic aircrews were shown on the TV. It was touching to see. What if a fundamentalist, taliban loving (taliban are the illegitimate child of paki govt & ISI) anti-US govt comes to power? US will still haev access to those F-16s? Let me tell you, Bhutto was not a saint nor is Nawaz Sharif. Read what the new cleric in the famed "Lal Masjid" had to say? I would have liked to quote the wholw thing, but some of his comments were like : "Democracy is for fools. The vote cast by a person does not make a sense, since even a unpious man can win ." Now how can you argue with a man like that? Let me see if I can find the whole report. Tell me, for how many years of Pakistsan's existence have they been under "true" democratic rule? This, inspite of all the help that the US was giving. Sheeesh!!!!!!! Its very east to blame India for all troubles in the sub-continent, but one needs to look at the mischiefs that the Pakis play and then pretend to be like saints.

Sure hope you are ok howling1.

Alright. Looking forward to its release . I would be willing to make some PAF,SLAF & BAF skins for it once the aircraft is released .

India bans Su-30MKI fighters from using radars during 'Red Flag Nellis' exercise

Yup, a nice surprise . howling1 would have been thrilled by this bird. Thanks a lot for the J-8. with Pakistan AF skins as well?

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The signing of that paper itself has a long history behind it.

Right you are , Dave

Just the fact that Indian fighters & pilots would get a chance to participate in the exercise is great. Nine-Ten years ago, this would have been impossible. This however would not be the first time Indian fighters would visit the US. IIRC in 2004, six Jaguar IS fighters supported by IL-76s and IL-78s visted Alaska for joint exercises.

Oh nice... finally J-7 series for SF !!!! ANy chance of some screenies of the J-7, particulary F-7MG/PG?

True . There's no way Pakistan can hurt India in a conventional war. Its their tendency to provoke India into war and brand us as aggressors that is worrying. But no. of combat ready squadrons have fallen to 26 from 39 with the retirement of MiG-21s & 23s. Compared to Pakistan, India has more land area which has to be defended by the Air Force.

That point was a reference to the 1965 War. In a fitting reply to Pakistani aggression in the 1965 war, the Indian Army advanced so near to Lahore that it was able to bring Lahore under its artillery range. What I meant was that in a future conflict if this happens, the Pakistanis will not hesitate to use nukes knowing that one of their main cities is under threat from the Indians.

History is a witness to the fact that American weapons rather than being a detterent to war, have in fact given the guts to Pakistan to further escalate the conflict.

An option that the Pakis won't hesitate to use once the Indian Army knocks at the gates of Lahore, fire a few arty shells at Lahore and say "Hello, we are here"( like the Army did in the 1965 War).The Pakis have stated publicly that they will not hesitate to use nukes if they are in a difficult situation.They do realise that in a conventional war, they will not be able to withstand a full fledged Indian onslaught for more than a week or two. India has a declared no-first use of nuclear weapons policy. That's why the Navy is being equipped to have secondary nuclear strike capability. Warships are being equipped "Dhanush" SRBMs, Navy is looking at Submarine lauched missiles as well.

Presidential hopeful wants review of F-16 deal Top senator hits US sale of F-16s to Pakistan