Lt. James Cater

Somehow i got a feeling that they'll do no more than 4 years tops? If they plead out the sentence will be a joke if they have no notable priors.

Ok, I checked this thread quickly this morning and thought about it during work. First off i have to change my view on everyone going to where they came from. Frankly, it's impossible considering some places are basically hellholes that would decimate visa seekers. I would advise going to some other country and doing the paperwork from there. Think it's unreasonable? One of my Aunts was amongst the people who climbed the fence of the Peruvian embassy in Havana and asked for asylum. This led directly to the Mariel Boatlift in 1980. She spent 3 years in Lima, Peru before coming to the US. "But now we have a complicated process of visas and consulates that the everyday peasant who wants to come to America can't understand or afford. So they just come." You wouldn't believe the chuckles i got out of that one. ETR, what contact do you have with the Latino community as a whole? Have you ever lived, worked with or been around Illegals for an extended period? The everyday peasant? That is one of the funniest things i've read in a very long time. The ones i worked with a few years ago would shrug their shoulders if you mentioned a visa. "Why should i do that when i can just go when i please?" That's an actual quote from a Mexican lady i worked with. Complicated? How complicated can it be when some of the people i work with now are aren't very literate? A few i consider dumb as a post but they went through the paperwork just like the others. The cost is nothing compared to certain other significant events in one's life. Want an example? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quincea%C3%B1era You can go ahead and compare that to the cost of getting a visa. Now i give Latino examples all the time because that is the largest part of the problem. It's a bother when views are given without a clue as to the cultural involvement in the issue.

Erik, If it seems like a rant from my point i beg to differ. Debates are like chess as you must be anticipating possible responses so as to be prepared with a rebuttal if needed.. Obviously i was in error somewhere. I'll have to check back through the thread later as anyways, i'm nodding off at the keyboard and i have to go to work tommorrow. I will ask some more of my co-workers to get their opinians as to this subject.

Hope and Freedom are great things. But if you want it, go about it the right way. BTW, as of this typing i have yet to see Rugg's post.

To a certain extent, as there are number of people who come from places such as Scandinavia who have it way better than pretty much the rest of the planet. Caes such as mine? Doesn't apply at all since here in the US i would actually have it better than what i expect in the UK. One category i forgot... Welfare sponges. The UK and Canada are the most notorious soft touches for these people. Some will do little to nothing but claim(and recieve)an untreasonably large amount of benefits despite doing litle to nothing at all to have earned them. And to follow your(apparent)train of thought to a logical conclusion, it still doesn't give anyone the right to go to another country without following their laws and customs as to how that is to be done.

There are many reasons. My family's reason was political. My Grandfather decided to see if Castro would be any different than Batista. After a year or so he he got out and started geting others out too. You could also have things such as wars and civil upheavel. A number of the Africans i work with come from the Congo and the surrounding regions. With others it's poverty and/or lack of opportunity to improve their lot in life. That's mainly what drives a lot of the Latinos into moving. A few are looking for the "Big Killing" you can make in America. Pull it off and you will become part of the Elite back home For some it could just be a perceived better deal. There are lots of people from the UK in the Las Vegas area that just couldn't stand it anymore over there. A couple i've talked to think i'm crazy to want to go. I assure them that the ghetto i'm moving to in Liverpool is safer than the slums i've lived in here in a few places. I'm in yet another category. The "What The Hell" migrants. I want to see the UK for an extended period. I've known dudes that up and took off for Europe and Japan almost on a whim just to see what it was like. A few came back, did the paperwork packed up fully and took off forever. If anyone could add reasons, please do.

Personally i'd be up to getting the southern border to the point that a jackrabbit would need to show papers. Want to know how they catch illegal Dominicans in Puerto Rico? The Immigration and Customs people are mainly Puerto Ricans and Cubans. They can spot a Dominican easy because not only do they look different, their dialect is distinct. Back across the water they go. About anyone coming here a few centuries ago, i don't remember seeing the United States Of America on maps i have studied of the European colonial period. But there sure was that country on the map when my family came, and they just couldn't waltz in here and claim rights and benefits. I've told Illegals that i've worked with "Hell, you might as well keep going north to Canada because things are getting pretty tight these days in the US." Whatever solution comes, as long as it's not an amnesty people would be willing to listen. And no, staying here while doing the paperwork is not going to work. That IS an amnesty. It might end up having to do it in something like shifts, planning the outward bound and those who went through procedure and are coming back.

OK, i'm ready to start my new campaign. I loved WOV GOLD, but my comp is too old and slow to handle any downtown missions and it takes a really long time to fly missions in Spads. So i'm going to stay with WOE until i get something new. The pilot is Patrick Stover, USAF. Flying F-105Ds in the 22ndTFS out of Bitburb Airbase, West Germany. Start Date is 26/OCT/62.

I read one estimate that there were something like 2,000 arty tubes within range of Seoul. The North can do pretty much what it wants without much worry of serious retaliation.

"I GOT PAC MAN FEVER! PAC MAN FEVER! IT'S DRIVING ME CRAZY! DRIVING ME CRAZY! PAC MAN FEVER! PAC MAN FEVER! IT'S DRIVING ME WILD! DRIVING ME WILD!" Actually, i was really lousy at Pac Man. Tempest was my best game, followed by Red Baron, Battlezone and Tailgunner. I was also pretty good at Tron Deadly Discs.

I've been wondering about this for some years now. With all that went on with the Stasi and learning about all the files about who was doing this and that and who were informers and spying on this person and that. How is it that payback was avoided on a large scale? Example... One of my Uncles years ago in Cuba, got drunk at a party and started talking all kinds of things about Castro and Communists in general. Sure enough, the police were at his door the next day and off to prison he went for "Counter-Revolutionary Activities". Well, some time later he learned who ratted him out. Needless to say, the favor MUST be repayed. I've heard a whole lot of stories like that throughout the years and there are countless guys i know who are just waiting for the chance to get back at those who put them away and/or otherwise screwed them in the old country. Some have hit lists that include multiple targets, one i worked with recently told me he had 10 names on his list. What i want to know is...Just how in the hell did you people avoid this kind of vengeance? Personally, i'm inclined to help out my Uncle in any way i can to let the informer know that he made a seriously terminal error even to the point of carrying out the actual act myself. Anyways, i'm still really fascinated by the fact that with all the information in the Stasi files, people in Germany didn't want to track down who did them wrong.

Actually, it doesn't go that far. There are certain things which can leave one without any allowable reason to retaliate. "Son of a cop" would have zero right seeing as his father was doing dirty work. As a matter of fact, if he opens his mouth he just might get knocked off too. Informers are pariah as well, there is no way that you can justify ANY action if one of your family is a known rat. As a matter of fact, the best course in that case to to cut them loose and what happens, happens. Street level politics is just as intense as what goes on in the UN.

Yes, that is the correct term. I actually factored this in to an extent since Germans are known to be a rather calm people. Over here? Cubans/Puerto Ricans/Dominicans/Colombians/Mexicans/Salvadorans are pretty much the Latinos i've been around the most enough to gauge threat levels to within a fine point. All are known for hair trigger tempers(Depending on the situation). Macelena's point was very interesting from a cultural point since all listed above are descended from Spaniards during their colonial period. Yet Spain avoided vengeance also (From what i have researched) and yet all of my list consider payback as almost a matter of course. Makes one wonder. A question i will pose to all is how would one respond in a family situation? As in ...Say one of your close relatives was put in a bad spot by someone and you find out who did it? So many factors have to be accounted for but i figure it should add to the original premise of this thread.

Very fascinating to find out what it's like for you people in Germany. One thing about Cubans in the US is what happens when some people get found out. The Uncle i mentioned above was walking down the avenue one day a few years ago and locked eyes with a former guard in the prison he did time in. If my Uncle was healthier he would have strangled the guy right on the spot, as even in his older years he is a remarkably strong fellow. As things went, he started yelling and the guard ran for it. My Uncle proceeded to pass the name and description around and they found out where the guy lived but he had quickly packed and took off. Which was good for him because he was going to be deader than hell. The one i told about that had the 10 name list? He actually ran into the son of the very policeman who arrested him years ago and sent him to be tortured during interrogation. The son recognized him and tried to play it off as that was years ago and he was a little kid then. The guy reminded the son that his father was a hardcore communist in Cuba and that the kid grew up also being commited to the cause. As far as Cubans are concerned, there is no such thing as an ex-communist. Sure enough, the kid had to leave town quick. There's been a lot of hits throughout the years because of situations like those. I always wondered how the Germans managed to avoid that.

I'm really amazed that the Deuce has a wing loading as small as it does. Who'ed have figured it?. That being said, i did find that the plane modeled in NF could certainly make for some severe over-shoots by a displaying very deceptive manuverability for a plane it's size. Did a quick search and found that delta wings are noted for low wing loads. Damn, feel silly not to have known this. LOL!

Welcome Stingray72, Glad to see someone new going fo the DiD challenge. The screen shots can be taken with IRfan or XNview, which is what i use. You can both easily online. If you ever decide to fly the WOV Gold mod, it would help to read the past AARs since a lot of info is there that would help you a whole lot. Oh yeah, i flew a 74th TFS A-7 in WOE some time ago. Finished it with 13 A2A kills as well. 9Ls FTW!

Get home from work, turn on the computer, head to combatace, get shocked! Just a few days ago i must have watched about a dozen videos with Ronnie James Dio on youtube. Man, the memories of being a metalhead in the 80s made for a nice night. Saw him twice, in 1985 with Yngwie Malmsteen and in 1987 with Megadeth. They were great gigs and Ronnie James Dio was a hell of a frontman with an amazing voice. I'm just curious to see if the media will give him the respect that they smother the current "artists" with.

One thing about Russians, when it's time to take care of business they don't hesitate.

All that manpower and money being used overseas could have been better used along the border.As it is, the Border Patrol needs to be overhauled, reinforced, and deployed more agressively.

I was heavily into MW4 some years ago and still fire it up every once in a while. I was also a regular at Mektek. If i was able to get past my wireless bridge (Ruckus MM2211)i would be dropping every day. Light mechs were my thing (charter member of The Light Brigade) but i fought in all weight classes depending on the map and situation. If you would like some loadouts, PM me. I had a few that really ripped back in the day.

Danm! I didn't know this series was so popular. Makes you wonder how many of the "Uber Real Sim" guys are dipping around here so as to be able to fly some classic planes that are available virtually no where else?

Hey Cliff, glad to see you're still at it! Was just about to post that i will be back flying soon. Having some difficulties in the real world but it should be resolved in a few days.

Damn UP, That kills off the majority of a topic was planning to write after thinking about the recently closed thread during work. Perhaps tommorrow or so i'll give try again.