ndicki

I think I'm going to stick that pylon on the Gina, too. Seems a waste not to profit from the technology available...

OT (forgive me) but there are some amazing Rhodesian and South African TSR.2 profiles here

 

http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,8838.120.html

I saw the Lightnings, too - interesting idea... One mistake, though - the serial numbers. Probably 776 of 2 Sqn, since 7 Sqn flew choppers, and 6 Sqn was a training squadron. (The serials are not difficult to work out, just deliberately obscure...) So they got them to replace the Vampires - OK, but the Lightning isn't a ground attack aircraft. It would have gone to No.1 Sqn to replace the Hunters. But still... And the "R" prefix was not used on the aircraft, even when the serial was, which wasn't often.

The TSR would have been 566 from 2Sqn, for similar reasons. Interesting ideas...

Nice ideas, though!

Great, so we will have Hunter with AIM-9

Is this lekker, or is this lekker, my chinas! As used ONLY by the Rhodesian Air Force...

You wait - AleDucat has done a REAL Sidewinder pylon - it looks beautiful!

Last night I was doing this for you... but here we had a blckout from 3 AM to 12 noon.

 

 

 

I see now that you already start doing the missing pylon, if you like I can send you mine, if not, well, it could be usefull for another project.

AleDucat, that looks brilliant! Mine is rubbish in comparison - I'd be really grateful if I could use yours - it looks exactly right! I'll PM you with my e-mail address. Many, many thanks!

Thanks!

The difference being that the Chileans, Singaporeans and Swiss, among others, used the outboard pylon. The South Africans added a third central pylon, which is the unusual bit. Although the aircraft were Rhodesian - SAAF didn't fly Hunters - they were modified by SAAF techs.

By the way, Spinners, as you're into "What-ifs" - have you seen my Rhodesian Gina? Ex-Portuguese AF, the story goes...

Ah, but there wasn't anybody to buy them from, was there? And the South Africans had their own troubles, so they couldn't help much more than they were already doing.

Next stage is visible here: http://forum.combatace.com/index.php?showtopic=37803

Nearly finished. One afternoon to dirty it up and make it look a bit less pristine, and it'll be ready for upload.

Just to tease a bit - I'm quite proud of this. A couple of days work on the part of a relative newbie to SF. With Sidewinders...

I admit the aircraft needs weathering and generally making less "regular." That's the next bit of work.

SF2 only - don't ask for miracles! And I still need a real modeller to do those pylons/rails, which frankly aren't up to it. But still... And I hope Spinners agrees - it's his mod of the stock FGA.9 which I've used as a starting point. It'll be a full stand-alone, and the tanks are version-specific, so they won't get in the way of your RAF Hunters. Makes life easier.

Wow, that rail is coming a long quite nicely

Not if you look too closely it isn't. It's square edged, start with that! We need a modeller...

i think that SAAF will keep an eye on this case....

You need to reduce the shine, but it's looking good!

This where I'm at:

Later... Still not going to win prizes for elegance, but...

OK, so it's blocky, disappears at certain angles (????? Why? Admittedly, it isn't textured, only coloured in MAX) and it's in the wrong place - BUT IT IS THERE! Using the false fuel tank principal.

Now I have to read more about that bloody modelling program before I can go much further.

That is one major problem with SF. 3DS MAX. It costs a fortune to buy - we looked while a gang of us were wondering where to go after CFS3 - and even if it is apparently easier to use than GMAX, nobody's going to pay that kind of money just to pass the time. Why TK didn't go for GMAX, I don't know - he'll have his reasons, I'm sure, but I wish... I could do it myself, given probably several hours (!) in GMAX. Or if there were a GMAX exporter...

They have a 30-day trial version. In 30 days, with my incredible modelling abilities, I may just work out how to make a cube or something. In GMAX, they have a "make-a-teapot" button. I'm good at making teapots. In fact, that's about all I've really ever managed.

The funny thing is that as a rule, the modellers can't paint, and the painters can't model. Wonder why!

It'd be better than the bloody awful stock UI music, in any case!

No probs. That is something I can do. Check this Hunter: http://forum.combatace.com/index.php?showtopic=37734

I need someone to knock out a pylon/rail, though, that I can fit here. It could go in as a fake pilot or as a fixed drop tank, if I've understood the work-arounds.

Hey, anybody got "I wish I was a blue job" by John Edmond? Mine's gone funny. I was thinking we could use it somewhere.

"I wouldn't have to walk if I could fly..." I should have listened!

So, for the final answer, you need someone to CREATE a pylon set, spaced to fit between the drop tanks, and added via the known methods.

Adding the weapon stations themselves, as you've done, is a pretty simple matter.

 

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kevin stein

OK, except that I said "rail" for "pylon with a rail". Look on the bright side - I've understood how it works! I did hunt through the weapons packs I've got to see what there might be, but there wasn't.

Know any easily-tameable modellers?

Spot on. The SAAF never used Hunters, primarily because they'd already been excluded from the Commonwealth for being "unmentionable"; so they got Mirages instead in 1963, to replace their Sabres. This Hunter can only be Rhodesian - and the paint scheme corresponds to what was in service at the time. Goes to show, though!

And fitting it with Sidewinders. Yes, that shocked me, too. At least two Hunters were equipped with IRMs by SAAF workshops in early 1979. I didn't know, either.

I have read the knowledge base... http://forum.combatace.com/index.php?showtopic=24863... And if I've understood, I need a model of a sidewinder launch rail in order to fit one to this Hunter I'm messing round with (SF2).

Here are the screenies as we are now; the missiles appear in the right place, and function correctly, but don't have a rail. If I've got it right, that's because the aircraft model itself doesn't have a rail there either. Right so far...? So I have to add one.

Which is the problem. I have GMAX, but not 3DS MAX. And GMAX won't export LOD files.

So... Does anybody have any advice on where to get a rail from?

Thanks!

PS Don't look at the aircraft itself too much. All very WIP!Incidentally, in the photo of the real one, spot the "mistake"...

Fair enough, I stand corrected as far as SAAF is concerned. But what I said is still valid for the RhAF!

Back to painting that Hunter...

Even we seasoned TW veterans refer to the KB once in a while.

Ah, you see, the advantage of experience. You know what you don't know.

I think you mean Red Phoenix.

 

Well both books include commies and Larry Bond

Ag, yes. Long time. Age. Debilitude. When's my nurse coming with the medicine?

WOW! Coin ops? excellent! Is not the AC47 used by the South Africans? The Rhodesian Air Force used it? Is a perfect COIN plane

Steady, china, steady - the AC-47 is a strictly American concept and was not adopted by any other Armed Forces. To begin with, it's a rich country's aircraft - look at the expenditure in rifle ammunition. Rhodesia could not afford that kind of wastage. And frankly, I'm not certain that the AC-47 was any more effective than a couple of golf bombs, despite the obvious psychological impact.

The Dak was used both by RhAF and SAAF as a transport/psyops aircraft - it was not armed and did not carry out (therefore) any kind of strike. It was however used for dropping parachutists as part of the "Fireforce" concept.

Gyaaaaargh! I hate people who remind me of things like that!

Thanks, anyway. I've fixed it by importing the last weapons pack, and I'll go from there. Seems to be working so far...