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Im not sure about old printing technics but looks like these illustrations was using quite simple rasterizing technic., and the photograph look like drawing in some way. It looks also that the photographs are retouched. Example the eye´s and edge lines of the faces are fixed later. This was typical that time. Wow, i got to say these illustrations are very interesting!

lol, and "Hans Franel" is really Wilhelm Frankl. Allied didnt have obviously first hand information that time, what makes even interesting. And that "Manfred von Richthofen" photo is really not less than other famous ace "Fritz Otto Bernert." http://www.theaerodrome.com/aces/germany/bernert.php

Meaby we are waiting still "sim of the year "

I really cant say about these d.III´s where they could be. I havent seen those before... Good guess is probably eastern front. Good to know thanks. So the dva second above is from jasta 72?

Hi all, Now you have all change to help OBD team and have an effect on future releases. So if you have any kind of authentic ww1 document papers for Germans, French, Brits, or US please send it to me via PM. Do not put the pictures here. We would be very grateful of all research material we get. Thank you Arto "Paarma" Karttunen

lol, why i didnt remember that we have team guy who speaks French :). I have also one of my Finnish friend speaking French so it would be most clear way to understand traslations. Cheers Arto

Thanks for the interesting photos. The first one Mayer´s plane is already in OFF. Not sure about the others. Should need to find out first whos they are.

Great Flynn! Yes contact me me via PM once you got something. Thanks already. Btw. are here people that understand the French? I would need some traslate help of few documents.

well im not big fan of spads especially becourse visibility. But its quite beautiful plane and was fun to make skins for it. Lots of parts in cowling, very challengin for skinning.

Just little notice. These documents are just mentioned to be example. If there is material you dont want to show you can remove the names or other personal data. We wont use any personal details just the material for research and example.

Hi Rooster. Known problem... The photoshop rbg values help to make right color example that blue and remove the red. What cant our eye´s see the numbers cover it. :)

Good point. I useally just trust my eye´s, what look good is enough good. I have artist method to do skins, not best for the skinners. I useally do somehow same parts different way to many skins. It didnt help be anyway eather that im quite badly color blind. Lol. i had to many times remove wrong color spots even i havent noticed those, but other teammember does :).

Thanks Olham. Ill take a look. Remember that actually you cant use strate the right color even it would be historical in game, otherwise the colors look too bright and arcade in the air. Probably in real life the clouds, light and fog would fade the brightness in the colors, but that just not happen all the way in game, even we have all those 3 aspects included. Cheers Arto

Yes it is only way to try to make ideas of old b&w photos. The german lozenge wing parts is survived some but i think the problem is to get the real colors when over 90 years old fabrics are quite faded. There is lot of knowledge in the aerodrome forum. Example Dan-San Abbott knows lot of it. But just searching old topics of lozenge or german colors, im sure you find lot info. Yes i have imagine the silver paint not just like chrome today but less shining. Meaby Olham the paint they usead ww2 was quite same, who knows. Even the aircrafts develop much during 20-30´s Yes bring em on! I wanna know more.

Interesting info. Probably shining chrome colors doest have some much use and the cost of paint was probably more expensive. Jasta 10 is sayd to use chrome yellow in a/c:s noses as their jasta markings. MFJ usead that "light yellow". jasta 34 used same chrome silver than was usead in factory pfalz d.III´s. Pilots often is noted to use silver markings, example Degelow sayd jasta 40 usead black fuselage and silver personal emblems, but most of the profiles i have seen and the historians sayd it was actually white that the pilots most usead. My feeling is that the pilots really could use for emblems and other little parts that silver paint, becourse it probably looked better and shining other than white. Example the jasta 5 pilots usead green tails but many is told to use silver gray fuselage. Not sure was it same silver paint that was in usead in pfalz d.III´s. Makes me wonder also was the silver paint similar in pfalz d.III´s and nieuports? Cheers Arto

My guess would be same green/red than the next Müllers. There was not much paint available in ww1. Most common paint color was probably black and white whitch was usead paint iron crosses, meaby green and mauve that was usead in wings, and silver that was usead in pfalzes. Also green/gray paint that was usead to paint dv´s cowlings. Blue and red is sayd sometimes stolen from conquered allied aerodromes. Also some yellow was usead, not sure where that came from. Surely there was got most paints from german factories, but there were much lack of the materials in war time for sure.

As amazing it was to me how few colorschemes are known of jasta 11 especially albatros dv´s. The Ltn. von der Osten form jasta 11 sayd: Useally pilots borrowed and repainted the a/c:s so he even didnt remember what colors he usead. The dv´s was painted nose red and the tail personal color. Sometimes also part of the fuselage. You see these from off dv skins. There were also different variations of lonzenge wings or green/mauve. Mostly dva´s was factory build using lozenge. It is sayd in osprey´s book that the first dv in picture could be possible flown Wilhelm "Willi" Reinhard. Second dv in picture is oltn. Franz Müller´s. The white tail on the third is unknown, possible also ltn. von Schönebecks lilac tail dv. Last is von linsingen´s. It had no visible markings and was probably factory build colors when picture was taken. But if you look the albatros dv and dva .dds files of jasta 11. Most and more are there with ace name included. But like i sayd there were only few known dv or dva markings, so most are fictional, but very carefully thinked over, be based on pilots other a/c markings, colors he usead, regiment colors pilot was before joined jasta etc.

I would just try to make more less contrast to the wings and desaturate it a bit. It looks great lozenge anyway... Hans Jeschonnek older brother "Kurt" was observer in flieger-abteilung (A) 281. He was killed in combat on 23 august 1918.

Im not sure why he use this lozenge colors, meaby the printing is too saturated. The lozenge colors are much speculated, and there is many opinion of it. I would personatelly use more less colorfull scheme, especially in game, becourse in the air the plane look easily and too often too colorful arcade neon craft :). I think wings got much weathering and in the long run paint fade. I would use James or Makai´s lozenge wings. Here you got much information about lozenge colors. Just choose whitch you belive would be more historical correct. http://www.wwi-models.org/misc/Colors/German/loz2/index.html

What they put you in the air your first day. Degelow say in his book that he was reading and studing maps and ground marks very carefully many days before even got change to get air, even talking about taking part of the action in behind the enemy line. Very nice and accurate looking markings Olham! I think its quite historical, when you have the dva. Probably most experienced pilots had the pfalz´s. Degelow noted in book: "The pfalz was somewhat underpowered and did not climb aswell as the albatros, but felt it was a safer a/c. So took thesecond-rate pfalz and , having learned its limitations, made the bestof it"

Yes, this picture you got known jasta 40 pilots emblems.

ah, sorry. Black Fokker Leader - Carl Degelow. Writed: Peter Kilduff, ISBN 978-1-906502-28-7.

Interesting Olham. Jeschonnek is well known ace. He was indeed young only 19 year old leutnant in jasta 40. He and his a/c skin is in OFF. I have been reading book about Carl Degelow. Very interesting book that i would suggest you to read. There is much writed about Jeschonnek. If i remember right Hans got also brother who was 2-seater pilot and was killed 1918. Arto

Yes. These ideas we have been already thinked. As many times, not sure yet will those be included and when.

Thanks Louvert, but we got them all already.