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Here's English Wikipedia about "Operation Paperclip", Widow - cheers! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip

Here is a funny craft without any wings at all (I wish I could understand the physics of that). It is a Northrop M2-F2, which was tested in the sixties. The craft had a nasty accident, which was used in the intro of the TV-series "The Six-Million-Dollar Man" Does anyone here know that series?

All the micro films with the important data of his rocket projects. The Americans had offered to him and other important scientists and engineers, that they could come to any American sentry and only just say the word "paperclip". From there he would get passed on to safety.

Same for me here, Wayfarer; some people call me a "damn romantic" and such. But melancholy is the spirit, the fuel of all art, I read somewhere. Perhaps their own sadness comes up too much, when they see or hear such melancholic words, pictures or tunes? Maybe they only need to shield themselves from something, that they are afraid it could wash them away?

Here is at least one Roland Payen design for you, Hauksbee - but you're right - can't get in to the "dannysoar" site. http://modelarchives.free.fr/Bestiaire/Payen_P400_P/index.html Flyby, I guess there are some great aircraft, which were commonly regarded as rather ugly; like the S.E.5a, the Hawker Hurricane or the McDonnell Douglas "Phantom". Personally, I liked all three of them. Of course, the Spitfire has the elegant timeless design, which I as a designer really love to look at. But no other British fighter could come back to base with as much damage done to it as the Hawker Hurricane. And it was the "ugly sister", which brought the German bombers down over England; not the Spitfire (which was tangling with the "Messerschmidt's").

Well, we all know, what Wernher von Braun had in his plastered arm. It could often even be simpler. Even if the engineers didn't cross over, the US Army and the Air Force had all those prototypes shipped over to America. Well, we all know, what Werner von Braun had in his plastered arm.

It is sometimes the most manly you can do in such situations: to admit, that you are helpless. It reminds me of some lines from Sidney Perley's 1891 classic "Historic Storms of New England", which I can't recite exactly here, as I borrowed the book to a friend. It was about a ship on the cliffs in a terrible storm - very close to land, and yet unreachable: "Those at land could only look over to the men on the ship, and the men on the ship saw all those at land, and they all recognised, how unimportant they were." PS: With a one-day-delay: Happy Birthday, Jarhead!

Not sure how NVidea card control panels are, but you should definitely be able to get smooth wires even with an older driver. My ATI Catalyst Control Center has the following under "3D Application Settings" - Anti-Aliasing - Anisotropic Filtering - Mipmap Detail Level - Adaptive Anti-Aliasing You should be able to access the menue, when you right-click on your desktop. Moving my sliders right increases quality. You should use these settings, and forget about the Anti-Aliasing in the Graphics menue in "Workshops".

Things may not have been as standardised as today's productions. Maybe the had both, L-shaped and vertical stands. Then there also were field modifications possible.

Yeah, that's it! Now it should be much more fun to fly AND make screenshots.

I guess that a "flying wing" was surely one possible design several people must have thought of. Even the jet engine was built parallel in Germany AND in England. Good detail there, Hauksbee.

What are these funny planes from?

Well, you can call that ugly - or almost "Art Deco".

Well, it was actually a German design, as you may see in these pictures (compiled in a sketchy manner here). It was meant to be jet-propelled, but the early test prototypes had to use pushing props. There were the types by Horten and by Gotha - not sure, if they worked together. PS: it never saw service, as far as I know, so the video with the Mustang is most likely bullsh*t.

Guys, do yourselves a favour and study ALL the Fee pics here - it IS an "L-shaped" MG stand: http://combatace.com/topic/66618-p4-development-screenshots/page__view__findpost__p__521664

I wouldn't be surprised, if the pilot had to buy them himself? The VINTAGE AVIATOR videos and the great photo documentations about the building of those craft are outstandingly well made. And if you know, that Peter Jackson is one of the "Wingnuts" of that company, you may have hope, that we see a good WW1 air combat movie one day.

Great stuff, Hauksbee - never saw that Russian attempt before.

The plot of "Sky Captain" was cheesy indeed, but the visuals were great. If only Hollywood would combine their great abilities in visuals with good scripts!

PS: did anyone ever play "Sky Captain and the world of Tomorrow" - there is a free downloadable game? http://www.skycaptain.com/ .

Heeeeeyyy!!! Another "Crimson Skies" fan here? Jarhead, I liked that game, and I would be most pleased, if they could come up with another version of it, with phantastic graphics! I liked to fly the Kestrel plane - the aircraft were really looking good! Heeeeeyyy!!! Another "Crimson Skies" fan here? Jarhead, I liked that game, and I would be most pleased, if they could come up with another version of it, with phantastic graphics! I liked to fly the Kestrel plane - the aircraft were really looking good! (Well, for the time then, they did... )

The German poems I find about the Great War, always tend to be very dark. But then it seems only logical to me. Here is one by Georg Trakl; with my attempt of translation. GRODEK (Georg Trakl) Am Abend tönen die herbstlichen Wälder Von tötlichen Waffen, die goldnen Ebenen Und blauen Seen, darüber die Sonne Düster hinrollt; umfängt die Nacht Sterbende Krieger, die wilde Klage Ihrer zerbrochenen Münder. Doch stille sammelt im Weidengrund Rotes Gewölk, darin ein zürnender Gott wohnt, Das vergossne Blut sich, mondne Kühle; Alle Straßen münden in schwarze Verwesung. Unter goldnem Gezweig der Nacht und Sternen Es schwankt der Schwester Schatten durch den schweigenden Hain, Zu grüßen die Geister der Helden, die blutenden Häupter; Und leise tönen im Rohr die dunkeln Flöten des Herbstes. O stolzere Trauer! ihr ehernen Altäre, Die heiße Flamme des Geistes nährt heute ein gewaltiger Schmerz, Die ungebornen Enkel. GRODEK At the evening the autumn woods resound from the deadly weapons, the golden lowlands and blue lakes, the sun above rolling over darkly; the night receiving dying warriors, the wild lament of their broken mouths. But silently red clouds gather in the willow ground, an angry god dwelling within, the shedded blood; moonlike chill. All roads ending in black decay under golden branches of night and stars. The nurse's shadow is swaying through the silent grove to hail the ghosts of the heroes, the bleeding heads; and in the reed quietly sounding the gloomy pipes of autumn. Oh prouder mourning! You iron altars, the burning flame of the spirit is fueled today by a tremendous pain, the unborn grandchildren.

For all who haven't seen this video by VINTAGE AVIATOR yet - the Fee starting, flying and landing. I had hoped for a gunner nacelle insight for the stirrups, but no luck - still a great video. http://thevintageaviator.co.nz/projects/fe-2b/fe-2b-flying-masterton

A very good point, Hasse Wind. Caudrons, or Breguets, or Farmans - any French two-seater would be welcome. Cuadrons, of course, have the most characteristic looks.

Here's a good docu about the USS MACON: (also look for parts 3 and 4) Very funny by the way is the English tranlation of the German engineer. I have never hear a German speaking Englsih with such a funny accent. But in films, I have often heard this accent, when American Hollywood actors play the role of a German. This translation is definitely spoken by a "faked German".

It is hard to ask a quiz question in a forum like this, with so many experts. All I expected from you would have been "Caudron G.3". Hasse Wind was the first one to say that. But now we have the case, that happens often in historical research; that old data or comments under photos or in notes from the time say something vague, non-precise; or sometimes even wrong. JFM as well as Lou revealed, what they have about the photo, and I couldn't say who's more correct. All I can add here is a photo of an English built Caudron G.3 with a 100 hp Anzani engine. This plane has wingstruts more like in the Albert Ball photo. If "derivative" would mean a mixture of parts of various aircraft, that might be the answer. I guess you experts will do some more digging now? Or perhaps it cannot be nailed down more exactly, because of the rather small part we can only see?