UnknownPilot

Well, hauling off an decking someone, laying them out, that's fine if they try to cop a feel on your girl or to take your wallet or spit on you. But this is a little worse for most people. So I can see it resulting in more, but yeah, I don't totally disagree with the concept you're getting at. But there is a flip side - what if one punch wasn't enough and the guy got up and then the beat down happened? And let's not forget that even punching someone in the face who deserves it results in criminal and civil charges these days. So that leads to people holding things in and trying not to react. When they are finally pushed past that edge, they explode and go off the deep end. I think that is a factor here.

WTF is wrong with people? How in the hell can some fruit bending over in a skirt cause ANY forum of alarm or distress? And harassment? That's not even close to the concept of what harassment is! All this kind of thing just sickens me. The result of "poltical correctness". Thank you oh so much people who pushed for any form of that crap (and we know who they are). Even just one small instance of it is precident setting, and inevitably, we end up here. This does tie into what I was saying in the other thread though (about the dude with the small johnson) - it's a human body for god's sake. Like nobody's ever seen one before.... my god. If we could just accept the body and drop the whole taboo against nudity, this crap would pretty much instantly go away.

In all seriousness, this demonstrates what's wrong with our society. This guy should not be a defendant at all. He didn't do anything wrong. Someone harassing the s**t out of you about a very sensitive topic deserves to get the snot beat out of him. Period. Compounding that, part of the reason it's such a sensitive issue in the first place is this whole taboo about nudity that we have. Taken to the extremes we have (thank you oh so very much puritains and victorians), it's just not something you see often in your life. Pretty much your own, and porn stars, unless you're in the military (or gay). So the typical guy has no clue what "normal" is, and has no basis for comparison. All he sees are porn stars and it is inevitable that insecurity is bred. If we were less uptight about it, it wouldn't be such an issue.

Yep, that comment pretty much says it all.

Wow, that was so touchy-feely I think I need a shower. "to kill other human beings".... so melodramatic. You do realize it's all just a matter of internal perspective, right? Just like you swat a mosquito. That is the same carbon-based life made from stars that YOU are, but you are ok with that. You're not shooting your best friend or family members, they are the enemy. Which is the other point, only an idiot would not know why they are there - to kill terrorists, or commies, or nazis.... as the case may be. (not that there's a WHOLE lot of different between any of them) This medal and your post are expressly inter-twined. Demonstrations of the weakening of society (at least western society) on an alarming scale.

More Satch goodness! Has a great feel that works for either airborne fun, or out driving through the backroads in summer. Warning, you will want to crank this one up!

Might want to try wiping it down then. And maybe putting a towel down, or turning on the A/C.

Thing is though, the real Nazi rise to power was not through violence at all (unless you count against themselves in the night of the long knives or whatever it was called). It was timing, political savvy, scapegoating, and training by various people, most importantly being public speaking training, and of course brilliant propaganda. (VERY much like a group here in the states today, their brownshirts call themselves after a tree seed though) And this also is a very different situation from what Gepard implied too. Gepard's implication is pretty much like what Lincoln did to the SC Justices "shut up or I'm imprisoning you!" - basically a person or a group, using their power (physical or otherwise), to bully another person into submission. What we see in that video is equal sides who have just had it with the other and aren't going to take it lying down. Totally different thing, in every way.

http://www.mmafighting.com/2010/04/26/report-tito-ortiz-arrested-for-domestic-violence/?icid=main|netscape|dl6|link6|http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mmafighting.com%2F2010%2F04%2F26%2Freport-tito-ortiz-arrested-for-domestic-violence%2F I enjoy the UFC and thought Tito (Ortiz) was a cool guy. But how are you going to get physical with a woman when you are a former UFC lite-heavy-weight champion? I know some people that think that if a woman attacks you it's ok to respond in kind, especially if she's a big brute herself, but I vehemently disagree with that. Either way, Tito's wife clearly is no body builder or fighter, which would just make it that much worse. (I'd be just as offended if he was a meek 5 foot nothing computer nerd card carrying member of the 30lb benchpress club and she were an amazon. But when a trained heavy weight fighter? ugh! Words fail me.) Not enough details, but apparently she has an injured arm and is pressing charges. It's disgusting (that a guy would physically assault a woman).

Looks like you might have nailed it. Just listening to a morning show podcast from Friday and they were saying that Jenna is now not going to press charges, and that what was said was "said out of shock over what happened", and that it had all become very distorted. Still no real word on just what did happen, but if she's recanting like that, either she was responsible, or, is just a battered wife (the kind that are beaten to within an inch of their lives and then beg the cops not to take him away). Still a messed up situation either way. When do they film TUF? I imagine that was completed before all this went down? Gotta see this weeks, find out why Chuck and Dana are at each other's throats (very unexpected).

I do. Any act of aggression, indeed, any act of manhood or manliness is seen as "immature", and "unnecessary" and "out dated" or even outright "barbaric" today. In fact competition itself is all but banned these days. Bear with me, it may seem like I'm talking about totally disparate things, but I'm not. It's natural to want to be an individual yet within a group. It's natural for boys and men to compete with one another in everything from trivia to fist fights. It's natural for males to get involved in an argument and for things to escalate to the point of violence. It's also natural for a man to want to protect his mate, provide for her (ie, housewife), have her take his name, and have her raise the kids while he goes out and provides and defends. But today? Dodgball is banned in schools. Musical chairs has enough chairs for everybody at all times. Everyone gets participation trophies just for being involved. Grades are eliminated for a more feel good system so that nobody has to face the sting of failure or defeat. People are medicated for everything rather than dealing with the problems. If you make a gun with your finger and thumb you are EXPELLED from that school, forever. Uniforms are forced on people and sold to the parents as a "convenience" for their (the parents) sake (in the form of money and effort saved). But the real reason is tied to another aspect, often projects are implemented that make it impossible for someone to succeed on their own, you must work together, to rely on other people rather than be an individual. And of course, we all but sit around in hooded cloaks with flashlights chanting "the greater good" (ala Hot Fuzz). We also scream and shout about giving the poor money from the rich (who afterall, are evil just for being rich, the fact that they were successful means they must have cheated, while the poor, just because they are victims must have been cheated). It all ties together and it's very difficult to explain, especially in text. But in short, there is NOTHING wrong with fighting. Whether you are 8 or 80. As long as you are not picking on a child (when you are an adult), or attacking a woman, what's the problem? Used to be, you and another kid got into an argument that resulted in a fight, you busted each other up, and either became friends or went your separate ways. Now the cops are called in, you're both arrested and then slammed into psychiatric evaluations and drug regimines. Used to be you and your woman were out at the pub and some drunk bastard starts trying to grope her, or hell, even just insult her honor, and you'd get up in his face, escalate as necessary, and if he chose to make it physical, you'd oblige, the bar patrons would help you throw his ass out on the curb, and you'd buy a round. Now the cops are called in and you are both arrested and slammed into 12 step processes and community service on top of jail time, fines, court costs, and a permenant record. It's all gone totally and completely to hell. In your attempt to explain that you aren't just blindly "doing your job", you really said that you ARE. You acknowledge that you were taught that, but then trundle right along and agree with it with no substantive reasoning for it. Just like when I ask people "why is it bad for little kids to hear curse words" and they stammer "it just is!" and look at me like I have 2 heads (as you must have done when reading my post. lol) Sometimes you need to touch the hot burner to know WHY you aren't supposed to touch it. Sometimes you need to get blasted in the face to know WHY you shouldn't push someone over the edge. But that other person needs to be free to do so without legal and reputation issues. Just because we didn't have electricity and smog in the 800s, doesn't mean they were something "beneath" us today. We aren't any different than the people who built Stonehenge. And they weren't any different than the first Cromagnons that stumbled across Neanderthals for the very first time. We have created these lies about who and what we are and now try to force it on everyone and then blithely label anyone who doesn't take to it "defective", when in fact, that just simply IS NOT true. Not in the least. BTW, you said you were left wing, but then said something that doesn't quite flow as expected. Is this a case of left and right being different on that side of the Atlantic vs this side? (BTW2 - the modern society I described is the one here, stateside, I don't know how much of that mimics over there, or how much over there has been going on for how long. Oh yeah, and it's 2 am and I'm dead tired right now too. lol)

Only because false shame has been introduced and associated with it. Ingrained for generation after generation, just like nudity and half a dozen other taboos. So what you're saying then is that you've just been taught that it's wrong to do... but nothing more substantial than that....

This really isn't DiD or a normal AAR, so I hope you don't mind me putting it on the general forum here. I might ramble a bit, but hopefully not unbearably so. A few nights ago I was craving a little ass-kickery in a Fulcrum, so I fired up a "create mission" and selected what I thought would be the most effective (this side of the OVT at least) - the MiG-29C - Russian. Since I had downloaded the Russian missile pack, I thought it would be pretty fierce. You know how you can usually gauge what you're in for by the number of planes in your flight? 2 normally means only a few enemies, and 8 means a massive furball will soon commence. Well, with everything set to random (except enemy air defenses, I always set that to light becuase anything else brings my lowly P4 to it's knees and leaves me with an unplayable slide show), and the year of 2007, over N-Vietnam (I only have SF2:V and the bomb range, so far other terrains I've tried just don't work right), it set me up with a flight of 2. One other interesting point, normally I am loathe to fly as soviet (or N-Viet, or communist chinese... ie, ANYthing communist lol), even though I do love many of the planes. I usually pick Ukrainian when I fly post-soviet. But this time I tried Poland. Not sure why. I had no idea that they were considered to be bad guys in 2007. I thought they'd be like the Ukraine. But it helped to provide better competition and a more challenging mission that would have been possible against the usual mix of MiG-21s and 23s. The game picked some interesting choices from my list of downloads.... F-16XL and F-29A. And it armed them all with AIM-9M and AMRAAMs! So it starts me out on a hill side. Not on a runway. I manage to bounce myself into the air, any my wingman is spinning and floundering and ending up ass-deep into the ground with only his cockpit showing, and sometimes shooting off like he was thrown by the hand of god (or Q's snapping fingers). Trying to fly to the first enemy group is impossible only because my #2 never makes it. I have ot hit 500ft and Alt-N in order to have a wingman. So first we end up in a group of 4 F-16XLs, all armed with like 8 AMRAAMs and 2 9Mikes. It's a hell of a fight. They are definitely aggressive and you can barely hang with them. Meanwhile, the Aphids and whatever else I had were about useless. So I got an idea.... I edited the mission, swapped in the MiG-29G. I made a copy of that plane and on the copy, since it was supposed to be NATO-ized, I NATO-ized all it's weapons locations. Allowing all NATO and WP weapons. That's the one I edited into the mission. And I took some IRIS-Ts and.... R-77s? I can't remember now, it wouldn't give me AMRAAMs for some reason. After a few more attempts I finally managed to be able to survive the Falcons, but almost inevitably lose my wingman in the process, then the Polecats start lobbing AMRAAMs at me. Oh yeah... there are like 6 of them out there too! So after getting my butt handed to me a few more times, I decided to try some other things. I wanted to see how the F-4E 2020 Terminator stood up to this mix. Quite well actually. Not as good as the Fulcrum, but I felt it gave a nice accounting of itself. With a flight of 4 it might actually be a different fight. The F-4F KWF or whatever it was (wouldn't let me choose the ICE in the drop down in the loadout for some reason) was similar. Hard to really tell the differences. But in both cases (perhaps especially the latter?) once you slow down, you are toast. You can't really get the speed back. But with speed, you can hang. I had been thinking that the Su-27 would be the king of this engagement. That it would not only have a better missile selection than the MiG-29C - Russian, but also carry so many in, that it was the only way to deal with all 10 enemy fighters with only 2 of us. Not to mention it's maneuverability (especially with the updated FM allowing Cobras). But see... while I do like the Flanker, and it is even growing on me, I've always really liked the Fulcrum, and my stubborn nature wants it to do better, so I was hesitant to jump into the Flanker in this challenge. So first I decided to break out the F-14A. A quick edit and I was back in. And.... it was amazing. It let me pack IRIS-Ts and AMRAAMs and we could fairly consistently take out the Falcons. Normally that would be as far as I'd get, but it wasn't excessively difficult to do. At that point I had to try the F-15A. This only allowed AIM-9M and AMRAAMs. I figured it's cartoony power and good high speed turning would really serve it well, but actually.... it was worse. Because at high speed the roll rate is almost impossible to control. And at speeds low enough to not black out in the hard turns the XLs pull, you bleed off and flounder in the Eagle, but at speeds fast enough to avoid that, you go to sleep almost instantly. I'm sure there is much more potential there, but I didn't have the drive or patience to try to eek it out. Finally, it came to the Flanker. Loaded up with R-77Ts, Alamo Es, and R-77s. Are the R-77T not all aspect? I can't find anything on wikipedia, but they don't seem to want to lock. While it's roll rate is very comfortable, and if you keep the speed up it turns excellently, and it's good for going fast down low... it's easy to exceed AoA, unintentionally Cobra and end up hanging in the sky like an oversized missile target drone. Not good! I think in no small part because of the missiles, it is a tough fight, #2 always goes down, and I end up trying to use the mountains to get separation and a shot. Either end up crashing, or taken out by overwhelming numbers. After that I went back to the Tomcat. And for the first time ever, took out all for Falcons, with my wingman in-tact, having 1 IRIS-T and 3 AMRAAMs still on-board, he and I got 2 each, then each took out a Polecat at range, and the other 4 were nowhere to be seen. I searched for them but finally gave up, and headed home. By the time I was 100NM away from home, Red Crown announced there were some bogeys out there, but even the T key couldn't find them. I searched at 100 and 200 range on the radar across the area she said they were.... nothing. Down to about 10000 lbs of fuel, so I just went home and landed. Certainly not what I would have expected, but great fun.

Yeah, it's always great to see how different things fair in different situations. Can serve either as an analysis of the FM, or, if you take that as good, then an analysis of the aircraft themselves (through surrogate with with less than 100% fidelity, as it is a simulation, but... arguably close "enough"). I gotta say, if the F-14A had the power it should have had from the get-go, that might be the ultimate killer. I am a little surprised, as the reputation of the others is such that it's not how you would expect it to go down. But by the same token, I'm equally surprised by the behavior/capability of the late model Phantoms as well. I might have to edit the ICE in there and perhps try the 2020 and KWF a bit more to see if I can tell a real difference. Come to think of it, I might even look at the Su-30 as well, since they are 2 seaters. I do have to wonder about thhe F-15 modeling though. I'm not questioning the modders abilities, just saying that it seems crazy to have that fast of a roll rate at high speeds. But, like anything, if you work with it and use it properly, I can see it being a benefit (like how more powerful applications are generally less userfriendly). It is interesting to see how the MiG-29 fairs better than the Su-27S at slow speeds, and by extention, how the Flanker is apparently really optimized for higher speed. It can pull a tight turn, but you REALLY have to watch it and really do want to keep your speed up, lest you end up over-alpha and either falling out of the sky, or left helpless. But from that perspective, since it seems to be about a slow, tight fight, it's all down to missiles and the ability to turn hard and quickly at slow speeds. That is something the Tomcat is really good at. Now, that isn't to say that I'm claiming the F-14A to be superior to the Flanker A. I have another mission where the Flankers are the opponent and the 'Cats are the "heros", and it's a crazy tough fight. I can't recall if I've beaten that one or not, been a while. I know that it's almost not fun it's so hard though. And then that's the other thing too, perhaps lacking the feel of being there for real, planes that you can abuse the hell out of are just better suited to this kind of intense fight, and that it's nothing more than that. It's all fun though. Anybody know about that R-77T question? Or why there are 2 MiG-29 As and Cs? The pack I downloaded lists " - Russian" and " - CCCP". What's the difference?

Not getting into the debate of which is best overall in history or any specific period, but just to comment on this in particular, I'd say the ultimate incarnation of a fighter plane that is man, machine, and aerodynamics, no glass pit, no FBW, would be the Su-27S (Flanker A). Unless I'm mis-informed about that aircraft (which I might be), but per an episode of Wings that talked about "the last generation" of Soviet fighters, it stated that the Flanker and Fulcrum were responses directly to the Eagle and Falcon (respectively), and that for each, a FBW system was considered, but ultimately eschewed due to the lack of necessary sophistication in that area in Soviet technology at the time. (there was even a direct copy of the F-15 shape that was considered, but dismissed in favor of what was seen as a "better" aero design)

If I had an iPhone, I would so totally get one of those.

Ah. Seems I misread then, it sounded like you were actually getting information on bandit behavior. As far a the wingmen go, yeah, thought of that too. But the trouble is, often you split off or are the lone survivor, or even go out alone, and you still get the messages, just as if someone was in a backseat that in many cases, shouldn't be there. Outside of that, the GIB is quite well done I think. As mentioned, the call outs, but also the fact that the radar has been simplified to a few button presses, which can even be thought of as requests made to the back seater, and it's all done for you. But that is also what prevents it from working too well for modern stuff too, you can't control it like you should be able to (like you can in LOMAC, for instance). But for the WWII Jet to Vietnam era, it works perfectly. (now if we could only get the call outs to go away when you are all alone in a single seater.....)