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Hah! Kinda like I was saying, go full on with it rather than bowing down. Rock on girl (the artist in the article)!

The comparison is invalid. In the comparison you cited, the Wildcat did NOT "take the skies" from the Zero, it merely held the line until the Hellcat (aka, the Ace Maker) came online to break the back of the Japanese. Plus the Wildcat out gunned the Zero when looking at gun to enemy armor ratio (ie, a snap burst of 4 M2s would kill a Zero, a feat the Zero could not return in kind). And you are also talking about 2 totally different pilot cultures and training. The aerial Samurai duelling in the air using his weapons agility to defeat his opponent, vs team tactics, hit'n'run, and dive away when necessary. If you put USN pilots in the Zero to even things up, the Zero would mop the floor with the Wildcat - period. Likewise if you did the opposite (IJN pilots in both planes). Which brings us back to F-4 vs F-8. Post WWII and Korea, we knew all about Energy Fighting and ACM, and trained (at least some) of our pilots accordingly. Those pilots being Crusader pilots. Put them in both, and what you'll end up with is the stale mate I previously mentioned - where the Phantoms can't get a kill, but can deny the Crusaders as well, and eventually they have to go home due to fuel issues. The only way for your scenario to work is to use the F-4E and to swap aircrews, putting the non-ACM guys into the Crusader (ie, given knowledge of Energy fighting only to the Energy fighter in this scenario), which brings us back to Chuck Yeager and rather defeats the point. Edit - regarding radar, if the E's gun was so bad, why was the E never dumped by the USAF (before the Phantom itself as a whole was)? Why was the E the only one to ever get exported? Why is the E the one modern day derivatives are still based on? (F-4F was a lighted E and now is the ICE standard, and the F-4E Terminator 2020 or whatever it's called, and the Kurnass was flying pretty recently, that was an E too) That's not smart-assery, that's just honest curiosity.

A lot of animosity toward the F-8 here, clearly. No need for NASA and all that other stuff. F-4: 78lbs/sq.ft, F-8: 77lbs/sq.ft. F-4: low wing, F-8: shoulder wing. A high or shoulder mounted wing provides greater lift by incorporating the fuselage (because lift comes from the top of the wing). This is why Anthony Fokker went from 3.25 wings down to just 1 parasol wing (Dr.1 to D.VIII), and why McDonnell went from low wings to a high wing (Voodoo/Phantom to Eagle), and why the F-22, F-35, F-16, F-14, MiG-29, Su-27, MiG-23, and just about any other post Vietnam design you can think of has high mounted wings. Lift to drag is better for the Crusader as well. 12.8 vs 8.58. This generally will mean greater E retention throughout the envelope. Finally, you mention pilot anecdotes, the one of the Crusader pilot that transitioned is the one to actually look at. For 2 reasons - hard data isn't necessary because on the one hand, it's direct compention between the 2 (mock dogfight), and on the other hand, one pilot switched and had first hand experience to see the differences. Ok, hang with me here. What does a non-trained person do when put into a dogfight situation? They TURN. What happened when the non-ACM trained Phantom crews tried to fight the Crusaders? They got creamed. What happened when one Crusader pilot transitioned? At first he understood why (ie, higher drag, less turn), but later felt the power it had could have made it a threat. In the end, as we are talking strictly about turning here, this shows what is seen above, here, that the Crusader turned better than the Phantom, even though it was still no MiG-17. (and that doesn't mean Extra 300 vs 747 either, so take a deep breath and relax....)

Perhaps it was a bit of an over-statement with the added "even today", however.... to explore a little, IFF can be faked. In general, early on, I can se great usefulness in it, but once there is a total mix of planes and massive furballs, are you going to have the equivalent of Ctrl-R (visually target radar locked target, bringing up the target info on the 'speedbar')? That's something I've long wondered about.

This assumes a lot of things. It assumes that there are only 2 aircraft in the air. (Or that there are only 2 friendlies and everything else is enemy) It assumes that a BVR shot will hit. It assumes that the Crusader can not hide from the Phantom. It assumes that the Phantom is running clean. It assumes that fuel is not an issue. Let's look at it from a more plausible scenario: BVR is great hype, but very limited in usefulness, even today. 99% of the time, you will either be afraid of shooting a friendly, or flat out prevented from BVR by the Rules of Engagement from the top brass. That slashes the F-4s "effectiveness" dramatically. It might be able to run away, but when it does, it's burning fuel at a prodigious rate, and will run dry far sooner than the Crusader will. And when it backs off the burner, it leaves a nice trail behind it to identify it. If the Crusader dives to the weeds, it'll get lost in the clutter and the extending Phantom won't see crap, even if it could get away with a BVR shot. When in close, the vaunted power of the "mighty" J79s can actually only just try to compensate for the F-4's drag and weight and lack of wing. As it tries to manevuer, it will pull greater AoA for a given turn and bleed off more speed, requireing more power. And if you've ever tried it, you'll know that it just doesn't have enough, it bleeds speed at an alarming rate and then you must level off, extend, and show your tail for a heater shot. Likewise, lacking all-aspect IR, the chance of getting a missile shot is next to none in this close in engagement, and even if you get a shot, it's easily evaded. The greatest attribute the Phantom can bring (climb, speed and thrust) is of little to no effect in this case because it lacks a gun, so it can't just run in and shoot the Crusader, unlike the other way around. Yes, in ALL cases training is paramount. But the only way to do a machine to machine comparison is to ignore pilot ability, so it's pointless to even bring up. Basically, if the enemy stold some Crusaders, the Phantoms would have to just run away. Granted, they could, so that's a good thing for the Phantom, but it's hardly a victory.

Made me think of a pic I saw earlier today -

F-8 is superior to F-4 in a furball where you absolutely intend to fight, and can't risk BVR shots (lest you lock and fire on a friendly). The reason is because it turns better. But NOT because you want to turn with the enemy. When using the F-8 as an energy fighter, it is nearly unstoppable. The Phantom, though it needs to be used in the same manner, bleeds off so much speed when trying to change direction, that J79s or not, you are very soon left floundering and need to consider running for it. It also sucks down fuel so quick that you need to keep one eye on your gauge at all times. The Crusader does not have that handicap either (allowing one's head to be out of the pit more, and thoughts focused more). Hammerheads, yo-yos, immelmans, chandelles, even dives into zoom climbs all require the aircraft to change direction of flight (and many og them 180*). The better the plane can turn, the less speed it's going to scrub off in that process, and thus, the more E it will hold, and the more it will let you do. In cases where you know the only thing ahead of you is enemy, the F-4 is superior, because of the Sparrow. But then, it could be an F-6 Missileer too in that case.

He already did that (sort of) -

Those songs in that first clip were all 4 chords. Labamba was 3 chords. Going to the extreme, look at what can be done with just 2 notes - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXJ6-Qrm-BU I tried finding the English (original), but the french one was all that was on there. Get's the gist across though.

God, I love that girl in the distractions one. That blending in one is just funny. I hope the girl at the back looked at it and used it to change herself and turn her life around. Look at how close the other's heads are together, and then how far apart her's is from the next one over. You could almost fit another person in there.

Sheesh.... and people think I'M cynical. Oy. Ok, let's look at how many people have ever lived since the creation of music (and that arguably predates language itself). Now let's consider studies that have shown that the human brain is wired for music. Now put them together and what you have is, on the one hand, a predilection for general musical structure (musical grammar, if you will), and on the other hand, enough people to exhaust all possibilities 1000 times over and then some. Now factor in technology that influences and even shapes what music can be created (you can do things with a guitar that you can't do without stringed instruments, or when you add in synths and effects, or even just plain old basic amps and microphones - ie, you can't have Front Line Assembly or The Crystal Method without modern electronic instruments, and you aren't likely to want to compose a sonata when you can get a wicked crunch from a power cord with an electric guitar, a killer amp, and some distortion). There is no mass conspiracy that waters down everything to suckle the public and keep them dull. People like what they like and pay for it. Buisnesses are the ONLY way to distribute an artist's work in the pre-internet era, and by definition early on the most well liked or likable stuff would be promoted. But even in that case you still had blues, jazz, rock-a-billy, country and big-band/swing all being produced and supported at the same time. They were trying to cater to as much of the potential market as possible by offering as much choice as possible. Now with self-publishing, more and more aritsts and their quirky compositions can reach larger audiences. And yet, despite that, it hasn't made instant sensations out of anyone. Nor has it totally changed the landscape of what is created, distributed, or played. It hasn't killed radio stations, it hasn't even created "new" formats. And you'd better believe that if money could be increased by such a transformation, it would happen. Likewise, existing radio stations would be forced to change formats or die... it hasn't happened. That's because it won't happen. That's because the public taste is always going to be more or less the same, but changing with eras in the craving for something different. And the major types will never die (rock, country, dance, etc). Which of course brings up another point, for something to be part of a genre, it has to conform to it (to some extent, and remember, the category is applied AFTER the music is created, the music is not the other way around - and if you doubt it, then just look at Talyor Swift and Lady Antebellum getting lots of airplay on DANCE and pop stations. Not all their stuff, just the stuff that fits the format because the artist crossed genres.). That comedy bit does not make some cynical statement about the lack of originality in music or about the horrors of corporations, it highlights the nature of music and out relationship to it. And also demonstrates just what can be done with only a few chords. For another example, I give you language - we have 26 letters. I *might* not even have used all of them in this post (probably did, but I'm not going to study it to find out. lol)

Pretty funny. Reminds me of this video for some reason (think it's all the song stringing lol) On the subject of musical comedians, Rodney Carrington is one of my favorites (warning, potentially NWS) -

Satch..... Some long running, almost mind-bending, beatuiful musical tapestries (live no less) Made of Tears (from 2006) - Searching (from G3 in Tokyo (not sure of the year, but sometime around the previous I'd estimate) - http://www.youtube.c...feature=related

Indeed. hehe But after having just posted to this thread, having it come up in a random link was also funny.

Just happened to see this come up randomly on motivatedphotos.com. lol

'cept that the 21 can't turn well enough to get out of it's own way. A Phantom is an aerobat compared to that finned tube.

With the take over of that terrorist friendly communist, it's not surprising to see our relations cool down. It has been known to be coming, and it sucks - severely.

When I watched "201", I thought all the censor beeps were a joke by Matt and Trey, but they weren't. There's a note on southparkstudios.com that they are "not allowed" to stream their original version of the show, and that after they delivered it, and before it was aired, Comedy Central added all the beeps. In fact, the final speech that was cut out entirely was about fear and intimidation, nothing more specific than that. People should not bow down to these assholes. In fact, it should be the opposite, the more threats and murder attempts they make, the more we should blatantly rip on muhammed. They will either make it necessary to take them all out (score one for the world then), or they will take themselves out in the attempt (see above), or they will learn to get over themselves (not likely). But it's the religion of peace though..... Truth, laid bare.

Is it possible to capture this data in a text format? Does the game store it in a file anywhere, even temporarily? Things like weapons fired is mostly what I'm mainly interested in (type and number of missiles and gun rounds of entire flight). But things like drop tanks, damage taken, and fuel used would be icing on the cake.