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annoying thing is that after a few re-installations of Windows and the ATI drivers, finally found that 9.12 is the most optimal for my 4870. 10.X drivers lock the frame rates below 70. with 9.12 frame rate now soars to over 100 and some times 200 for clear sky no clouds. but this happens when playing in windowed mode. By the way, which anyone got the same experience?

stupid question but just want to know if the combo tracks multiple targets. if I am in a flight of 2 or 4 aircrafts, does 1 SA-2 site which has 6 SA-2 launchers and 1 combo of Sppon Rest and Fansong shoot at me and my wingmen AT THE SAME TIME?

Anyone can suggest me a good 1) MiG-21 cockpit as there are a great number of them up there in the Download Section 2) MiG-19 cockpit as there are a great number of them up there in the Download Section THANKS THANKS!

Yes, they are nice. I am designing scripted mission for fun. I find the MiG-21 always up agianst either F-4 or the KirfC fighters. They have many air-2-air missiles. It is not quite possible to win them. So I have this thought. I want to bring the performance down a bit. I mean the Aim-7 and also their Aim-9 missiles so to get a more balanced opponent. Can you suggest how to tune these missiles I mean what data I should give to these missiles to make them less lethal....

I have tried that, but that's doesn't help at all. HOWEVER, if you place another Fansong to the original one as a ground object using a mission editor like KMD, you got locked on right away. I guess the strength is multiplied but whether the range is I am not quite sure and can't confirmed, perhaps you can test it and share us with your results. *_*

I suppose you are referring to the complete pack http://combatace.com/files/file/7596-mig-21-complete-pack-13-for-sf1-line/ ?

Jesus Christ in heavens!! He did reply to my thread!!! A game designer replied to his customer questions in person!!!! Wow this is incredible!!!!! He's great!!!!!!! http://bbs.thirdwire.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=8099&p=50664#p50664

It's a very good feeling, TK doesn't patronize. Another name I recall is Matt Wagner, he also replied to my threads many years ago.

I used Wrench empty theatre, what you said is working fine! I was 210nm from the F-4J and Red Crwon calls out the bogie position.

YOu might have read a thread started by me and replied by the others tellign you that! The Red Crown calls out bogies at 50nm away ALWAYS! This is "an limitation" of the game. No matter the bogies are at 60 70 or 100nm, Red Crown always call out bogies at 50 miles. If you want engress without ground threat, you should fly very low. My experience could have been wrong, but I played Typhoon before. Normally your bomb flight will be at 500 feet hugging the ground. As you engress you raise to 1500ft assuming your dropping dumb bombs. For LGB you must be at 4500 to 7000 ft. However you have brought up a good topics for research. If I were you I would use Wrench Empty DEserrt to test out the "LINK" of EWR By the way the game theatre is 1,000,000 meters times 1,000,000 meters which is 500nm X 500nm. So you use 2 Barlock will be sufficient for any "Early Warning".

The game picks up randomly what SAM to fill the map. But I don't understand the reasons! From SFP1, WoV, WoE to WoI, all the SAM sites has a ring structure with 1 radar and 6 launchers. If the game picks up SA-2 that's fine. In WoI when the game picks up SA-6 it's a night mare, because the SAM sites now installs 6 SA-6 luancher each woth 3 missiles giving us a total of 18 missiles! This is mad! I still insist that the game should not use this algorithm: should allow terrain be modified for placing chosen SAM units.

I'm trying hard to use a title which will make search for this topic easier in the future. I've discovered something new about the subject, the discovery is encouraging. So I can't wait to publish my work to share with you folks. Initially I thought firing up this thread in the MOD section but in order for fellow simmers to find this subject easier I post it here for that purpose. I must thank Fubar, Wrench, Malibu and robert who have replied to my threads for their resourcefulness effort and help. I learn this knowledge from their threads specially one raised by robert and answered by Fubar. The link of the thread is -> http://combatace.com...a3-sa7-sa9-etc/ The information contained in the discussion doesn't directly contribute to my discoveries but it helps. Special thanks to Wrench also for his 'Shipwrech' placement. That also doesn't contribute to my discoveries but it does help me o understand the difference between some fo the parameters used in {TERRAIN}_TYPES.INI. The parameter is UseGroundObject={Boolean} (TRUE, FALSE) How to place chosen SAM in a chosen terrain for a customized single mission Please note that this only applies to customized missions and the SF series 1 games including SFP1 Gold, WoV, WoE and WoI. The {TERRAIN}_TARGETS.INI contains all the ground targets which you can bomb BIG TIME! Each target has a type which is defined in {TERRAIN}_TYPES.INI. Both files must be extracted from the {TERRAIN}.cat file using the sfp1e.exe CAT file extractor. It can be found here -> http://combatace.com...xtract-utility/ The game supports 2 'strange' ways of placing SAM units according to my experiements. It generates SAM units by random selections from the GroundObject folder, number 1. Number 2, the game places SAM units according to what you specifiy in {TERRAIN}_TARGETS.INI. What's that all about? Look at the following Target Area extracted from {TERRAIN}_TARGETS.INI [TargetArea025] Name=Jarimin Position=570000.00,380000.00 Radius=8919 ActiveYear=0 Location=2 Alignment=ENEMY Target[001].Type=CommBuilding1 Target[001].Offset=-51.00,-2630.00 Target[001].Heading=0 Target[002].Type=mosque1 Target[002].Offset=-1765.00,3625.00 Target[002].Heading=90 Target[003].Type=mosque1 Target[003].Offset=395.00,221.00 Target[003].Heading=90 Target[004].Type=watertower1 Target[004].Offset=4896.00,-1175.00 Target[004].Heading=0 Target[005].Type=mosque2 Target[005].Offset=-2360.00,-2248.00 Target[005].Heading=90 Target[006].Type=CityBuilding1 Target[006].Offset=1952.00,-2828.00 Target[006].Heading=0 Target[007].Type=CityBuilding1 Target[007].Offset=2049.00,2056.00 Target[007].Heading=180 Target[008].Type=SAMRadar Target[008].Offset=-3021.00,-8180.00 Target[008].Heading=45 Target[008].ActiveYear=1967 Target[009].Type=SAMLauncher Target[009].Offset=-3121.00,-8005.00 Target[009].Heading=330 Target[009].ActiveYear=1967 Target[010].Type=SAMLauncher Target[010].Offset=-2921.00,-8005.00 Target[010].Heading=30 Target[010].ActiveYear=1967 Target[011].Type=SAMLauncher Target[011].Offset=-2821.00,-8180.00 Target[011].Heading=90 Target[011].ActiveYear=1967 Target[012].Type=SAMLauncher Target[012].Offset=-3221.00,-8180.00 Target[012].Heading=270 Target[012].ActiveYear=1967 Target[013].Type=SAMLauncher Target[013].Offset=-2921.00,-8355.00 Target[013].Heading=150 Target[013].ActiveYear=1967 Target[014].Type=SAMLauncher Target[014].Offset=-3121.00,-8355.00 Target[014].Heading=210 Target[014].ActiveYear=1967 Target[015].Type=AAA Target[015].Offset=-3320.00,-7956.00 Target[015].Heading=0 Target[015].ActiveYear=1967 Target[016].Type=AAA Target[016].Offset=-3010.00,-7813.00 Target[016].Heading=280 Target[016].ActiveYear=1967 Target[017].Type=AAA Target[017].Offset=-5199.00,2839.00 Target[017].Heading=315 Target[018].Type=AAA Target[018].Offset=-5170.00,2473.00 Target[018].Heading=270 Target[018].ActiveYear=1965 Target[019].Type=AAA Target[019].Offset=-5526.00,421.00 Target[019].Heading=315 Target[020].Type=AAA Target[020].Offset=-5313.00,53.00 Target[020].Heading=225 Target[020].ActiveYear=1965 Target[021].Type=CityBuilding1 Target[021].Offset=-3383.00,-46.00 Target[021].Heading=90 Target[022].Type=AAA Target[022].Offset=6191.00,5094.00 Target[022].Heading=45 Target[022].ActiveYear=1968 Target[023].Type=AAA Target[023].Offset=6170.00,4838.00 Target[023].Heading=315 Target[023].ActiveYear=1968 Target[024].Type=AAA Target[024].Offset=35.00,-2077.00 Target[024].Heading=45 Target[025].Type=AAA Target[025].Offset=-413.00,-2545.00 Target[025].Heading=315 So the highlighted shows a SAM site numbered 8 thru 14 with a Radar and 6 Launchers. Now given in the vanilla version of the game which gives us the follow Soviet SAM unit with associated Radar unit: SA-2 SA-2LC SA-2LF Fansong I added SA-3DL and Flatface from Pasko Desert Pak. I also updated the WEAPONDATA.INI to include the SA-3 obtained from Bunyap's Weapon Pack. Now in the GroundObject folder we have the followings: Fansong Flatface SA-2 SA-2LC SA-2LF SA-3DL If you create a customized mission and run it, you will find the SAM that you are up against would be SA-2. After you're killed, you restart the same mission again, this time you would have SA-3 coming up on your map. Again, bad luck you're killed! Then you restart the mission, you are up against the SA-3 again!! Why? Why not SA-2? The game obviously picks up which SAM unit it likes from the GroundObject folder. Now it's quite alright for those who come by as a casual player of the game. But for those who want to have a war theatre with 'pre-arranged' SAM sites myself included, would certainly find different expectations with the game's randomized decisions. So, how do I be certain about that a SA-3 site is located there in Jarimin? Is it something which cannot be changed? I thought with a mission editor and an opened game like this the game engine allows me to customize a number of elements of the war theatre to suit my likings during mission creations. But then I have confidence in the game after reading so many resourceful threads on this forum about it. Witht his firm belief I have decided to get down to the bottom of how things fit together and work the way I expect. I read Wrench's Shipwreck document and have an impression that anything could be "fixed" on to the terrain map. Randomness is only a default when we don't take things into our hands. It's much better to have control in our hands as always, for everything. When you hit a problem and don't have the faintest idea as to how to solve it systematically, it would be extremely painful to use "trail & error". I don't like giving up, I heard that the flexibility of this game is so deep that nearly anything can be customized. I should go deeper...A great number of experiments followed. Switching between the game, the {TERRAIN}_TARGETS.INI and {TERRAIN}_TYPES.INI files I looked harder and harder into the 2 files. At one stage I found surprises. In-game, I use F7 to check what SAM units were showing up. Incidentally, a SCUD-B image crossed my sight. I repeated F7 again and again and "yes!" it's a SCUD-B. I closed the game and started it again with the same mission running, the SCUD's there again! Over and over again the SCUD's still there!!! now I knew that I'm getting pretty much closer to the answer of my question. I went into the {TERRAIN}_TARGETS.INI file and looked for SCUD-B. Here: [TargetArea045] Name=Seikel Position=728000.00,480000.00 Radius=4560 ActiveYear=0 Location=2 Alignment=ENEMY .... .... .... Target[008].Type=Scud Target[008].Offset=-3038.00,2448.00 Target[008].Heading=260 .... .... .... Then I started to cross check {TERRAIN}_TYPES.INI, SCUD is defined here: [TargetType057] Name=Scud FullName=SCUD-B Launcher TargetType=CHEMICAL_WEAPONS_PLANT ActiveYear=1966 TargetValue=250 UseGroundObject=TRUE GroundObjectType=Scud-B RepairRate=0.0 StartDetectChance=50 StartIdentifiedChance=25 IncreaseDetectChanceKey=10 MaxVisibleDist=8000.0 DestroyedEffect=VehicleFireEffect SecondaryEffect=SmallExplosionEffect SecondaryChance=50 Check the above Target Area [TargetArea025] Name=Jarimin Position=570000.00,380000.00 Radius=8919 ActiveYear=0 Location=2 Alignment=ENEMY ... ... ... Target[008].Type=SAMRadar Target[008].Offset=-3021.00,-8180.00 Target[008].Heading=45 Target[008].ActiveYear=1967 Target[009].Type=SAMLauncher Target[009].Offset=-3121.00,-8005.00 Target[009].Heading=330 Target[009].ActiveYear=1967 Target[010].Type=SAMLauncher Target[010].Offset=-2921.00,-8005.00 Target[010].Heading=30 Target[010].ActiveYear=1967 Target[011].Type=SAMLauncher Target[011].Offset=-2821.00,-8180.00 Target[011].Heading=90 Target[011].ActiveYear=1967 Target[012].Type=SAMLauncher Target[012].Offset=-3221.00,-8180.00 Target[012].Heading=270 Target[012].ActiveYear=1967 Target[013].Type=SAMLauncher Target[013].Offset=-2921.00,-8355.00 Target[013].Heading=150 Target[013].ActiveYear=1967 Target[014].Type=SAMLauncher Target[014].Offset=-3121.00,-8355.00 Target[014].Heading=210 Target[014].ActiveYear=1967 Now look at the definition of SAMRadar and SAMLauncher in {TERRAIN}_TYPES.INI [TargetType061] Name=SAMRadar FullName=SAM Site TargetType=SAM_RADAR UseGroundObject=TRUE ActiveYear=0 TargetValue=200 RepairRate=0.555 StartDetectChance=80 StartIdentifiedChance=20 IncreaseDetectChanceKey=10 MaxVisibleDist=8000.0 DestroyedEffect=SmallRocketGroundExplosion SecondaryEffect=VehicleFireEffect SecondaryChance=50 [TargetType062] Name=SAMLauncher FullName=SAM Site TargetType=SAM_LAUNCHER UseGroundObject=TRUE ActiveYear=0 TargetValue=100 RepairRate=0.555 StartDetectChance=20 StartIdentifiedChance=0 IncreaseDetectChanceKey=0 MaxVisibleDist=8000.0 DestroyedEffect=SmallRocketGroundExplosion SecondaryEffect=VehicleFireEffect SecondaryChance=50 I compare the two types SAMRadar and Scud, results here The Comparison utility highlights 2 lines [TargetType061] Name=SAMRadar FullName=SAM Site TargetType=SAM_RADAR UseGroundObject=TRUE <--------------------------------------- "Take details from the GroundObject folder" ActiveYear=0 TargetValue=200 RepairRate=0.555 StartDetectChance=80 StartIdentifiedChance=20 IncreaseDetectChanceKey=10 MaxVisibleDist=8000.0 DestroyedEffect=SmallRocketGroundExplosion SecondaryEffect=VehicleFireEffect SecondaryChance=50 [TargetType057] Name=Scud FullName=SCUD-B Launcher TargetType=CHEMICAL_WEAPONS_PLANT ActiveYear=1966 TargetValue=250 UseGroundObject=TRUE<------------------------------------ "Take details from the GroundObject folder" GroundObjectType=Scud-B<--------------------------------- "Take detaiols from the SCUD-B folder inside the GroundObject folder" RepairRate=0.0 StartDetectChance=50 StartIdentifiedChance=25 IncreaseDetectChanceKey=10 MaxVisibleDist=8000.0 DestroyedEffect=VehicleFireEffect SecondaryEffect=SmallExplosionEffect SecondaryChance=50 Now it's very clear that what you need to tell the game to look for specifically requires the use of the GroundObjectType parameter followed by the UseGroundObject parameter!!! What it means is that the game knows you want this type of objects from within the GroundObject folder. Okay the game proceeds to pick up whichever objects which match the type and throw it to the {TERRAIN}_TARGETS.INI file. That's what happens with only the UseGroundObject parameter. To work on my intended target area Galzad, I made the following changes: [TargetArea020] Name=Galzad Position=618000.00,322000.00 Radius=6488 ActiveYear=0 Location=2 Alignment=ENEMY Target[001].Type=EWR Target[001].Offset=29.00,1803.00 Target[001].Heading=0 Target[002].Type=mosque1 Target[002].Offset=1788.00,414.00 Target[002].Heading=90 Target[003].Type=watertower1 Target[003].Offset=-48.00,2839.00 Target[003].Heading=0 Target[004].Type=AAA Target[004].Offset=-371.00,1756.00 Target[004].Heading=280 Target[005].Type=AAA Target[005].Offset=40.00,2366.00 Target[005].Heading=0 Target[006].Type=Scud Target[006].Offset=-5121.00,-2114.00 Target[006].Heading=270 Target[006].ActiveYear=1967 Target[007].Type=Scud Target[007].Offset=-5778.00,918.00 Target[007].Heading=265 Target[007].ActiveYear=1967 Target[008].Type=Scud Target[008].Offset=-5770.00,1765.00 Target[008].Heading=273 Target[008].ActiveYear=1967 Target[009].Type=Warehouse1 Target[009].Offset=-4353.00,-1085.00 Target[009].Heading=0 Target[010].Type=Warehouse1 Target[010].Offset=-4357.00,-935.00 Target[010].Heading=0 Target[011].Type=AAA Target[011].Offset=-5460.00,-2079.00 Target[011].Heading=270 Target[011].ActiveYear=1967 Target[012].Type=AAA Target[012].Offset=-5191.00,-1806.00 Target[012].Heading=315 Target[012].ActiveYear=1967 Target[013].Type=AAA Target[013].Offset=-5829.00,763.00 Target[013].Heading=270 Target[013].ActiveYear=1967 Target[014].Type=AAA Target[014].Offset=-6235.00,1744.00 Target[014].Heading=270 Target[014].ActiveYear=1967 Target[015].Type=AAA Target[015].Offset=-6196.00,1923.00 Target[015].Heading=315 Target[015].ActiveYear=1967 Target[016].Type=mosque2 Target[016].Offset=-217.00,-1611.00 Target[016].Heading=90 Target[017].Type=AAA Target[017].Offset=-4714.00,-539.00 Target[017].Heading=315 Target[018].Type=SovietFlatface Target[018].Offset=-3298.00,4249.00 Target[018].Heading=45 Target[018].ActiveYear=1966 Target[019].Type=SovietSA-3DL Target[019].Offset=-3392.00,4381.00 Target[019].Heading=330 Target[019].ActiveYear=1966 Target[020].Type=SovietSA-3DL Target[020].Offset=-3192.00,4381.00 Target[020].Heading=30 Target[020].ActiveYear=1966 Target[021].Type=SovietSA-3DL Target[021].Offset=-3032.00,4140.00 Target[021].Heading=90 Target[021].ActiveYear=1966 Target[022].Type=SovietSA-3DL Target[022].Offset=-3492.00,4206.00 Target[022].Heading=270 Target[022].ActiveYear=1966 Target[023].Type=SovietSA-3DL Target[023].Offset=-3192.00,4031.00 Target[023].Heading=150 Target[023].ActiveYear=1966 Target[024].Type=SovietSA-3DL Target[024].Offset=-3392.00,4031.00 Target[024].Heading=210 Target[024].ActiveYear=1966 Target[025].Type=mosque2 Target[025].Offset=-2381.00,1785.00 Target[025].Heading=90 Target[026].Type=AAA Target[026].Offset=-3613.00,4482.00 Target[026].Heading=315 Target[026].ActiveYear=1967 Target[027].Type=AAA Target[027].Offset=-3309.00,4810.00 Target[027].Heading=10 Target[027].ActiveYear=1967 Target[028].Type=SovietTruck Target[028].Offset=-4372.00,-1058.00 Target[028].Heading=272 Target[029].Type=SovietTruck Target[029].Offset=-4374.00,-961.00 Target[029].Heading=190 Target[030].Type=SovietBRDM Target[030].Offset=-4387.00,-1096.00 Target[030].Heading=30 Target[031].Type=SovietTruck Target[031].Offset=-4362.00,-960.00 Target[031].Heading=175 Target[032].Type=SovietFansong Target[032].Offset=-4298.00,5249.00 Target[032].Heading=45 Target[032].ActiveYear=1967 Target[033].Type=SovietSA-2LC Target[033].Offset=-4392.00,5381.00 Target[033].Heading=330 Target[033].ActiveYear=1968 Target[034].Type=SovietSA-2LC Target[034].Offset=-4192.00,5381.00 Target[034].Heading=30 Target[034].ActiveYear=1968 Target[035].Type=SovietSA-2LC Target[035].Offset=-4032.00,5140.00 Target[035].Heading=90 Target[035].ActiveYear=1968 Target[036].Type=SovietSA-2LC Target[036].Offset=-4492.00,5206.00 Target[036].Heading=270 Target[036].ActiveYear=1968 Target[037].Type=SovietSA-2LC Target[037].Offset=-4192.00,5031.00 Target[037].Heading=150 Target[037].ActiveYear=1968 Target[038].Type=SovietSA-2LC Target[038].Offset=-4392.00,5031.00 Target[038].Heading=210 Target[038].ActiveYear=1968 The types SovietFlatface, SovietSA-3DL, SovietFansong and SovietSA-2LC require associations in the {TERRAIN}_TYPES.INI file, so here is what I created: [TargetType072] Name=SovietFansong FullName=Fan Song Radar TargetType=SAM_RADAR UseGroundObject=TRUE GroundObjectType=Fansong ActiveYear=0 TargetValue=200 RepairRate=0.555 StartDetectChance=100 StartIdentifiedChance=100 IncreaseDetectChanceKey=100 MaxVisibleDist=80000.0 DestroyedEffect=SmallRocketGroundExplosion SecondaryEffect=VehicleFireEffect SecondaryChance=100 [TargetType073] Name=SovietSA-2LC FullName=SA-2 SAM Launcher TargetType=SAM_LAUNCHER UseGroundObject=TRUE GroundObjectType=SA-2LC ActiveYear=0 TargetValue=100 RepairRate=0.555 StartDetectChance=100 StartIdentifiedChance=100 IncreaseDetectChanceKey=100 MaxVisibleDist=80000.0 DestroyedEffect=SmallRocketGroundExplosion SecondaryEffect=VehicleFireEffect SecondaryChance=100 [TargetType074] Name=SovietFlatface FullName=P-15 FlatFace Radar TargetType=SAM_RADAR UseGroundObject=TRUE GroundObjectType=Flatface ActiveYear=0 TargetValue=200 RepairRate=0.555 StartDetectChance=100 StartIdentifiedChance=100 IncreaseDetectChanceKey=100 MaxVisibleDist=80000.0 DestroyedEffect=SmallRocketGroundExplosion SecondaryEffect=VehicleFireEffect SecondaryChance=100 [TargetType075] Name=SovietSA-3DL FullName=SA-3 Double Launcher TargetType=SAM_LAUNCHER UseGroundObject=TRUE GroundObjectType=SA-3DL ActiveYear=0 TargetValue=100 RepairRate=0.555 StartDetectChance=100 StartIdentifiedChance=100 IncreaseDetectChanceKey=100 MaxVisibleDist=80000.0 DestroyedEffect=SmallRocketGroundExplosion SecondaryEffect=VehicleFireEffect SecondaryChance=100 So I am expecting 2 different SAM sites in the same target area now. I post this up is because I can keep track of my work in the future in case I will be away for some time and return later I will always have it here to remind myself and to pick it up again. The second reason is because this hard work is not easy to accomplish, so I would like to share with fellow simmers in case they intend to customize the theatre as such. Please give me comments if I have missed something or you need to ask about the subject. Cheers and Happy birthday!!

GroundObject.dll shows RECON, I used Hex Editor to check it.

BREAKING DISCOVERY!!! This is what I defined (messed around) in DESERT2_TYPES.INI: [TargetType061] Name=Fansong FullName=SAM Radar TargetType=RECON UseGroundObject=TRUE ActiveYear=1959 TargetValue=200 RepairRate=0.555 StartDetectChance=80 StartIdentifiedChance=20 IncreaseDetectChanceKey=10 MaxVisibleDist=8000.0 DestroyedEffect=SmallRocketGroundExplosion SecondaryEffect=VehicleFireEffect SecondaryChance=100 And this is what I messed around with Fansong_DATA.INI [MissionData] NationName=EGYPT ServiceStartYear=1967 ServiceEndYear=2000 GroundObjectRole=SAM_RADAR Availability=COMMON Exported=TRUE ExportStartYear=1967 ExportAvailability=COMMON Experimentally I put this in DESERT2_TARGET.INI: [TargetArea007] Name=Al'Qo Position=782000.00,400000.00 Radius=7800 ActiveYear=0 Location=2 Alignment=ENEMY Target[001].Type=Watertower1 Target[001].Offset=0,0 Target[001].Heading=270 Target[002].Type=Fansong Target[002].offset=100,100 Target[002].Heading=0 Target[003].Type=_FlatFace Target[003].offset=-100,100 Target[003].Heading=90 Guess what...my RWR beeps!!! So the game ignores the line TargetType=RECON !!

The SAM placement still not working..in the sense that the game picks up the SAM unit at random. This is so tedious...I can't make anything out now...

Illuminating!! Why didn't I realize! The booster effect is smokeless...so I should prolong the Booster action...THANKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I can't find it in the KMD Tutorial. Any friends can point me to the right document that explains how to read the contour in an opened map in the KMD mission Editor THNAKS!!!!!!!!!

I have tried giving the Booster a value of 0.5 sec rather than 0, the launcher burst and exploded on the spot, hot and vibrant looking! The game renders so well in that aspect!!!

Hey FC, The SA-10 trajectory...how it's done? It'a awesome!! It propels straightup, straight up ok XD , then it bends itself and home in on targets, it's amazing. But I watched somewhere, that the SA-10 missile propels out of the tube smokeless, before its engine ignites...is it posssible to simulate that by modding the SA-10 ini? Do you know?

Added to the above, the u nderstanding is of significance. It's a strategic step forward. Now I know how to place ANY ground objects in the map, including static vehicles and aircrafts like the AC-130C and others, this adds more lives to the theatre. I can also tune the SA-2 to be more lethal Currently, I am working on the AAA. Strange, the cold war era AAA seems to be more like a flaks creator than a killer in the air.

Gentlemen and to myself, Previous attempt failed. Must be the game mechanics thingy. If I use [TargetType057] Name=Scud FullName=SCUD-B Launcher TargetType=CHEMICAL_WEAPONS_PLANT ActiveYear=1966 TargetValue=250 UseGroundObject=TRUE GroundObjectType=Scud-B RepairRate=0.0 StartDetectChance=50 StartIdentifiedChance=25 IncreaseDetectChanceKey=10 MaxVisibleDist=8000.0 DestroyedEffect=VehicleFireEffect SecondaryEffect=SmallExplosionEffect SecondaryChance=50 the mission is only half-done. What it means is fetch the object data and 3-D from the Ground Object Folder by the name as specified in this case is Scud-B. When we are talking about a ground unit, that's fine. But when we come to talk about SAM and I guess "Static" aircrafts then it is different, the chemistry is not as expected. For Fan Song Radar of the SA-2 for instance, if I write [TargetType072] Name=SovietFansong FullName=Fan Song Radar TargetType=SAM_RADAR ActiveYear=1966 TargetValue=250 UseGroundObject=TRUE GroundObjectType=Fansong RepairRate=0.0 StartDetectChance=50 StartIdentifiedChance=25 IncreaseDetectChanceKey=10 MaxVisibleDist=8000.0 DestroyedEffect=VehicleFireEffect SecondaryEffect=SmallExplosionEffect SecondaryChance=50 The Fansong radar shows up but when you expect it listening to you, your RWR won't sound the alarm, that's the issue. As to why I don't know! I compare Fubar512's Hawk placement, and found the subtle difference embedded between lines. The Name of the Type should be the same as the name of the object in the Ground Object Folder. And we don't need to use the line GroundObjectType=Fansong. For Fan Song Radar, we should have written [TargetType072] Name=Fansong <-------------------- use the same name of the Fansong in the GroundObject folder FullName=Fan Song Radar TargetType=SAM_RADAR ActiveYear=1966 TargetValue=250 UseGroundObject=TRUE GroundObjectType=Fansong <---- delete this line RepairRate=0.0 StartDetectChance=50 StartIdentifiedChance=25 IncreaseDetectChanceKey=10 MaxVisibleDist=8000.0 DestroyedEffect=VehicleFireEffect SecondaryEffect=SmallExplosionEffect SecondaryChance=50 Can't tell you how happy I was when I heard the "music" from RWR device!! Spent 2 days to trouble shoot it, at one time I was just staring at the screen and couldn't make anything out. So the Fansong should be [TargetType072] Name=Fansong FullName=Fan Song Radar TargetType=SAM_RADAR ActiveYear=1966 TargetValue=250 UseGroundObject=TRUE RepairRate=0.0 StartDetectChance=50 StartIdentifiedChance=25 IncreaseDetectChanceKey=10 MaxVisibleDist=8000.0 DestroyedEffect=VehicleFireEffect SecondaryEffect=SmallExplosionEffect SecondaryChance=50 The Active Year should not be a problem if you are designing single mission only.

Happy Birthday to myself! Never mind Wrench, I'm sure Harry Potter is even more virtual than yours LOL Can we discuss about your master piece the SA-5. I recall we have the concept that EW radar are sort of a shooting target more than a functional system which relays air-bourne targets to the launching platforms. In you work, you made Barlock a networked radar to the SA-5. Let's not talk about if it works the way we expect. But isn't it true that SA-5 missile range <= SquarePair Search and Track Range. So even though the Barlock knows about an incoming target and it informs the SquarePair, the Launch Platform still won't fiore the SA-5 missile since the missile range is limited. Do you understand what I'm getting at?

Then you owe me a pint then my friend:grin: , if as you said you have known about this for 7 years. I have been tgrying really hard to get my answers which it's already inside your belly. Anyway, it's knowledge I learn from the hard way, I 'll treasure it.

Does this remind you of the first Gulf War? Uploaded with ImageShack.us

I thought they shut down the runway lights until either landing or taking off... Anyway it's a good one as always!