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I'll give it a try this weekend - watch for a PM if I have problems!! Mike :yes:

This little bit of info I think may be escaping many folks - I initially was not going to get it as i refuse to be a Vista user. To all out there - it runs great on XP. Buy it! I want to try installing YAP2 on it now. Have you tried that yet?? If so, any special things that need to be addressed aside from the cockpit graphics stuff already mentioned? Mike

I am using XP still, not Vista. Looks very good to me. Thanks

Just wondering if this terrain is still a work in progress? Two weeks maybe? More ADC stuff is coming soon - would love to fly ADC interceptors from my home airport at BDL! Mike D.

Yes sir - I read that only some 300 were manufactured. I wonder if the real ones had that pointy conical nose - and were all solid red color that the dummy rounds show? ANy old ADC heads can jump in here and clarify any of this - I'm no expert - only look at photos and talk with folks like y'all. Mike

Is it my imagination, but have the treatment of shadows and rain effects been improved? Looked really good to me at first glance. Plus the weapon drag effects made it overall a good purchase value. MPD

Greece and Turkey received export AIM-4A/D - not AIM-26B I believe. Most or all C- models converted to D- model Falcon by then anyway. The Voodoo carried same versions as the deuce - no AIM-26, no Super Falcon. The Voodoo seemed to carry the IR versions more often - I can't find any photos of anything other than AIM-4D loaded on real alert birds. Same export to Canada - again, only AIM-4D ever seen in few photos of hot birds. Although the AIR-2A was forced upon Canada by CincNORAD, the weapons were stored and maintained by USAF personnel at storage sites within Canada, and never uploaded on CF-101B alert birds until time of war. And you are right -Wiki and Google only go so far...lots of misinformation and BS IMHO. I'll place my money on stories from folks who were there. (Hey, I think that's the first time I ever used an Internet acronym...!) Mike

TAC or USAFE may have stopped flying AIM-4Ds on their Phantoms in 1973, but ADC/ANG retained the Falcon for the duration of the F-102/F-101B service life. The Nuclear Falcon supposedly remained in the stockpile into the 1990s - long after the deuce was gone. The Super Falcon F/G models stayed in ADC/ANG inventories into the 80s for the service life of the Six. The AIR-2 Genie was retired by 1985 supposedly, but it had not been on alert airplanes for a lot longer than that. Reports of erratic flight characteristics (it was unguided) abound. A major rethinking of flying with nucs took place after the Palomares incident in 1966, after which SAC ended its airborne alert program. ADC never flew its alert planes with nucs after the Cuban Crisis (and it was a big deal relocating acft carrying them during those days - no formation flying to prevent a mid-air, double safety wiring arming switches, etc.) ANG F-89Js were only equipped to carry the AIR-2A, but stood alert unarmed - supposedly they would fly to the nearest active-duty nuc weapons storage site to upload the wpns in time of war or something.

Coop, The Super Falcon series was not designed for use on the F-102 and as far as I know, will not fit into the bays.

Understood - thanks. Still good to get so many responses to acft historical questions, no?

mmmm...I don't think so.....Check out these pages - these guys were pretty thorough: http://www.dstorm.eu/pages/en/usa/f-4e.html http://www.dstorm.eu/pages/en/usa/f-4.html Also good serial number references for other DS acft: http://www.dstorm.eu/pages/en/usa/ Mike D.

3rd TFS sent 6 F-4Es to Europe during Desert Storm - Operation Proven Force. 4 went to Incirlik 20 February 1991 (71-1086, 72-1407, 73-1199 and 73-1198) attached to the 7440 Composite Wing, 2 acft went to Spangdahlem and stayed there. Tailcode "PN". The Incirlik birds left 19 March 1991 for Spangdahlem. 2 F-4E's remain unidentified (71-0238, 71-1081, 72-0165, 73-1182 or 73-1197). 90th TFS did not deploy in F-4s. 90th TFS deployed in F-15E to Incirlik and Aviano after conversion to Strike Eagle at Elmendorf. Mike D.

Hope you guys have a good birthday - and stay safe Dave, have not heard from you in a while. Mike D.

I had an acquaintance who loaded weps on deuces in Spain, and later with the Conn ANG at BDL - he described typical loads, and yes all standard AIM-4s could be carried on any rails. Typical loads were A-D-A fnt, D-A-D rear according to him. I have seen Idaho ANG and 509th FIS at Clark with 2xAIM-26B, 4xAIM-4D. The one thing he said was that when hot, the airplane never stood alert with empty rails. Never. Plus full load of 2.75 in FFARs -12 or 24 whichever it was capable of carrying.

The -4E/F/G Super Falcons are all the same larger size - not used on the F-102. The AIM-4A/C/D are the non-nuc deuce Falcons. The C was replaced by the D model (made by modifying -4C airframes) from 1963 on I believe. The AIM-4B was an interim infrared-guided model that no one can provide any concrete info on - it may never have actually seen service. The D model is distinctive in that it was painted white/red, the others were all red on the F-102. *Edit: Further research on the Internet shows that 10,000 AIM-4B models were completed by Hughes - so I guess it DID see service! The original AIM-4 RH model had 4080 built, the AIM-4A 12,000, the AIM-4C 16,000. Conversions to -4D involved 13,500 units.

But the deuce lost little - the -4D had the advanced seeker system of the -4G, and a later upgrade for the rocket motor gave it the fastest speed of the early generation Falcons, and almost the range of the Sixes -4F/-4G. MPD

When I was 14, I used to peddle my bike down to the airport and spend all day watching the Connecticut ANG F-102s taxi by. I used to use binoculars to spot and write down the serial numbers and tail ID numbers too...not such a bad hobby if you ask me! Mike D.

Which weapons pack are you using - check the weapondata.ini values for the missiles being used. If you are using the stock WOV install, TK made the AIM-4D all but useless - worse than the AIM-9B Sidewinder in accuracy and launch reliability. Air Defense Command had a somewhat better opinion of the Falcon. Annual live missile firing at Tyndall AFB, as well as the much-publicized William Tell Missile Meets routinely had Falcon's give direct hits on Firebee Drone targets (and the contact fuzing arrangement on the missile fins requires a direct hit to detonate). This was more often than not against a relatively slow non-maneuvering target against a cold clear blue sky - I suspect it would do as well against TU-95/IL-28 type targets. Tactical Air Command's 25th TFS at Eglin did a thorough evaluation during 1966 of the AIM-4D for use by TAC - they had similar excellent results - including exploring the head-on capability of the ultra-sensitive seeker. This lead to the F-4D to be equipped with the Falcon instead of the Sidewinder when its debut in Southeast Asia took place in the spring of 1967 - where it was fired from high -G turns at maneuvering fighter-sized targets, most often fired well out of launch parameters by F-4 flightcrews that had no experience with the weapon whatsoever (the Ault/Red Baron Reports stated time and time again that aircrews often had no idea where the envelope even WAS in the heat of combat). The Falcon seeker cooling issue was legitimate - especially for fighter combat, and carried externally on the F-4, its delicate seeker dome became marred by rain and particles in flight. Maintenance of all missile types in the theater was stated to be woefully inadequate or non-existant - where the rounds were carried constantly without any of the hand-fed tweaking that ADC missile maintenance personnel were famous for. 8th TFW C.O. Robin Olds' well known and famous distain for the Falcon was well deserved in SEA - for the use it was put to there. ADC against bombers would have done much better. Mike D.

Unbelievable. I still can't believe you guys voted in this lightweight....photo ops I can see, but to fly over ground zero in an airliner at low altitude without telling everyone...just unbelievable. I told you so...amazing a bunch of innocent people weren't trampled to death in the understandable panic and these people you voted in weren't whacked with a billion dollar law suit. Mike D.

Different than the Six, the F-102 typically carried a mix of IR and radar Falcons in each set of three, I would guess to help increase the PK on the target. I can check the manuals, but I believe that the pilot can select either the fwd three, the rear three, or salvo all 6 at once. Alternately, the 2.75 inch rockets can be fired singly, all 12, or all 24 (before the AIM-26 mod of course, already mentioned in these posts). The AIM-4A/C were missiles used most often until 1963-64 when the AIM-4D replaced the AIM-4C IR model (the -4D is white/red, the others were all red). The AIM-4E/F/G are physically larger and will not fit on the deuce.

Those reflection issues are really minor. I think that these textures look absolutely great - very professional. Just super. Mike D.

Another option is YAP2, or Strike Fighters 2 - Vietnam - both supplied camoed drop tanks. I don't think those large tanks were hardly ever used in service - never in Southeast Asia. Perhaps they were a ferry tank option - like the smaller tanks on those inboard pylons. Are you planning a very long flight? Why not just install the air refueling mod and take along a tanker? Mike Oh, and you can always resize the 2048 pixel texture to 1024 pixels for better frame rate if that is an issue, at a cost in detail.

The external fuel tanks were always jettisonable from when they were introduced about 1960 or so. The early tanks had slanted-shaped pylons that stayed attached so that they blew as well. After late 1967, the new tanks with small tailfins had rectangular-shaped pylons which were retained when the tanks went. Of course you are only dropping them in an emergency situation.....right? Mike

Try these: http://forum.combatace.com/index.php?autoc...p;showfile=5635 http://forum.combatace.com/index.php?autoc...p;showfile=5930

Nice job KB.