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Kevin, Is Hiroshima on that target list??? I love B-29s.... Mike D.

Jeff, they look real good. I'll try to check on serials for you today. Mike

I also wrote him asking about the B-57 files - still no reply. Mike d.

No such animal as far as I know, but would make a nice addition though. I have slides of most of the broad ID stripes on the F-4Cs of the 58th TFTW that I traded for way back then, and I visited Luke in 1978 or so and have shots of just about every F-4C on the ramp that day (the stripes were long gone by then however). They still had the WGAF F-104Gs too at the time, plus still some blue F-15A/Bs. Let me release my 1967 F-4C with the fin tip RHAW housing and USAF MAU-12 intermediate pylons in a week or so. Mike D.

Exactly what WW2 mod are you guys talking about?

390th TFS, 35th TFW - Da Nang - April 1966 - first field-applied three-tone camougflage - few small markings - undersides as per 1965 gull grey/white scheme. Mike D.

File Name: F-4C 1965 (68TFS, 431TFS) File Submitter: mppd File Submitted: 16 Jul 2009 File Category: F-4 Phantom II Revised F-4C 1965 - By Crab_02 and Mike Druzolowski This project started out with my early attempts to make the stock WOV F-4s a little more authentic. Crab_02 eventually contacted me and kindly shared his Phantom II update project with me, which is what this is based on. All credits go to him, without his basic work, help and guidance in learning 3D modeling, I never could have come this far. Our continued thanks to TK and Third Wire to allow us continued freeware development of his work. This first model will form the basis for every subsequent F-4 variant that flew in Southeast Asia (and hopefully, beyond). Please contact me for any problems or issues - we'll do our best to correct them and make this even more authentic for what's to come. PM me at Combatace or E-mail at mppd@att.net please. I made this package for the post-October 08 patched version for Wings over Vietnam (which is what I'm flying). Textures are 1024 pixel resolution to help frame rates on modest systems (like mine) - so view the external views at arm's length, not extremely close-up please. Versions for SF2 with higher resolution textures are sure to follow. My sincere thanks (in addition to Crab and TK) go to Sundowner - who originally shared his F-4 texture templates with me and what I started with originally, and also to drdoyo for his 1024 templates which helped, Ravenclaw_007 for the kind permission to include his super Martin Baker ejection seat in this package, and to Old Diego for kind permission to include his superb pilots, and to X Ray who did the superb pilot repaints (and whose name was forgotten in the original readme). Description: The airplane depicted is the Air Force F-4C as it appeared in 1965 during its combat debut in Southeast Asia - Navy LAU-17 pylons with adapters for A/G ordnance, no radar homing and warning antennas nor all of the small antennas added later on. New features include: - New vertical stab and rudder shapes - New nose radome and IR sensor housing shapes - New detailed pylons and Sidewinder rails - New 3D model cockpit (mostly invisible though...) - New nose wheel doors - Animated air refueling door (Shift + 8) - Opening canopies of course (Shift + 3) - New horizontal stab bases - New early McAir and later Fletcher wing tanks (with pylons that correctly jettison along with the tank) plus new centerline 600 gal tank with retained pylon - Numerous small detail changes (Note that all textures for the stock Thirdwire F-4s can be made to fit with minor alterations - watch leading edge flap, vertical stab/rudder and intake splitter plate locations mostly.) Issues: I used many parts that I already had built, so separate bmps are included for the pylons, nose and rails - these should have been combined into one I guess. Historical bit: Five USAF F-4C squadrons of Tactical Air Command rotated TDY to Southeast Asia during 1965 as follows: - 45th TFS, 15th TFW MacDill AFB TDY to Ubon RTAFB April to August 1965 - 47th TFS, 15th TFW MacDill AFB TDY to Ubon RTAFB July to November 1965 - 68th TFS, 8th TFW George AFB TDY to Korat RTAFB August to December 1965 (acft remained to form the 433rd TFS at Ubon) - 431st TFS, 8th TFW George AFB TDY to Ubon RTAFB August to December 1965 (acft remained to form the 497th TFS at Ubon) - 43rd TFS, 15th TFW MacDill AFB TDY to Cam Rahn Bay AB October 1965 to January 1966 All originally carried the gull grey/white scheme as factory applied - similar to the Navy F-4B but with markings differences (especially no intake walkways or splitter plate turbine warning markings). The FJ- "buzz" numbers were removed from all aircraft USAF wide from ca. September 1965, and then the three-tone camouflage scheme was locally applied in SEA from November 1965 through ca. January 1966. The 68th TFS aircraft are depicted as they arrived at Korat (with FJ- fuselage buzz numbers and TAC vertical stab insignias). The 431st TFS is depicted as aircraft looked at Ubon late in 1965, after the buzz numbers were removed and several had the TAC insignia removed as well. Few personal or squadron markings were seen. Notes about the flight model: Basically the default post Oct 08 patched data.ini, but I have modified the landing gear rolling coefficient to have a bit more drag (the plane will not move by itself and take off like a rocket when the brakes are released!), I have reduced the wheel braking effect so that a few taps will not make the thing stop on a dime (however they will not hold the plane in place when the power is brought up to over 78% - adjust as desired), I have increased the nose gear spring factor to give it a bit more of that “springy” feeling when the brakes are applied, and I have increased the speed brakes effect to a more realistic effect (to me). The original values have a triple slash in front of them, so modify as desired if you don't like my changes. Cockpit notes: Uses the stock post Oct 08 patch WOV cockpit, but I have added a sight reticle which is a brighter orange - matches photos I have seen a bit better I think. Click here to download this file

Yup, 68th and 431st TFS....for you guys that never heard of them! I'll do the serials for the other three units I mentioned in the readme (43rd, 45th and 47th TFS) that went TDY to SEA, but not much difference in markings in 1965. This version has the thank you to X Ray in the readme. My bad frank...

PM Badfrank - he was working on several VNAF skins - he may have done one by now. Mike D.

1965 F-4C Thailand TDY. Mike D.

I'm no flight model expert - but in the past my similar experiences were an error in the data.ini - copy and paste to make sure symmetry in your values, that can indeed cause this (but may not be the ONLY thing that can...) Mike

The 476th TFS, 479th TFW deployed to Da Nang in April 1965 and flew both escort duties and may have shared the alert commitment there with the F-102s of PACAF. They were replaced by the 436th TFS in July 1965, and operated until withdrawn in November. I have seen photos of these silver airplanes with wingtip AIM-9s and two underwing tanks. The Starfighter returned to SEA in June 1966 in camouflage flying from Udorn with the 435th TFS - these flew both escort and strike/ground support. Photos I have seen were never with Sidewinders, tip tanks only, until conversion to F-4D in mid-1967.

On a Windows XP machine, the separate folders in the "decals" folder were just bugging me, and the conversion of the entire weps folder for YAP2 plus my own tweaks seemed pointless. I like the post-Oct 08 patch shadows, weapon drag/weight effects. Anything else I have not flown enough to confirm (better AI, etc.) I bought SF2-V but it's gone now from my HD. I saved an installed copy in case any of it was of use in the older versions.

I just did the same - dumped SF2-V - the prop models seem to be working in the post Oct 08 patched version of WOV lately, so I added YAP2 to it, and I'm tweaking the helo models to work satisfactorily (sp?) with my CH Products controls. Mike

USAF T.O.1-1-4 specifies the markings and camouflage patterns to be used on USAF aircraft - as far as anyone knows, no F-106 actually received the scheme, but one is specified. If the max file is mapped with identical mirrored wings, there is nothing a modder can do, except petition the originator to fix it and re-issue the file.

The 318th FIS F-15s used "TC" at McChord. Oh, also here is the correct camo pattern from T.O.1-1-4. Mike D.

I see that the world is moving towards SF2-V/E etc. (And I own SF2-V myself). Just curios though, has there been any progress making the post October 08 patched version of WOV compatible with the prop flight models? Or is this a completely dead issue now with the start of the release of the other new Vista-compatible sims? Mike D.

FC did you mean the Stall Moment change or is there something more esoteric that I'm missing?? Thanks

Thanks FC - I'll try to dig it up. I was under the impression that the SF2-V prop model was somehow handled differently by the game engine. Thanks for setting me straight. Mike

Coming soon - from Crab_02 and Mike D. - (still some textures to fix). More accurate F-4 series. Starting with the 1965 F-4Cs. All new (correct shaped) vertical stab and rudder, correct nose gear doors, detailed pylons and AIM-9 rails, animated air refueling door, correct drop tanks the pylons stay attached to them when jettisoned), better external model cockpit(hardly visible unless you open the canopies). Martin Baker Mk7 seats by Ravenclaw_007, pilots courtesy of Old Diego. 1024 pixel textures for now - 2048 if Sundowner makes some up. Correct serial numbers for TDY units in Southeast Asia 1965. Existing F-4 textures will work with some tweaking. Less than "two weeks". Coming soon - 1966 F-4Cs, 1967 F-4Cs with tailcodes, then better F-4Ds. Mike D.

I set it up for regular WOV. I can copy the relevant portions of the data.ini to make a post Oct-patch version to include. If Sundowner makes hi-rez skins for it, I assume that he'll make it up for SF2-Vietnam. Almost done with my base textures, will work on some decals for serial numbers tonight. Mike

Yes of course, I meant the changes I made to this base model! Brit F-4s are not really my thing, but if someone is interested I'll share it (with Crab's permission of course). Mike

I'm not sure who has the source files for the F-4K/M but they are welcome to add my parts to them also. The biggest change is in the tail and nose gear doors, those changes alone make it look a lot more like a Phantom II to me. Mike D.

I figured that I'd add the tailcodes to the 1967 version of the C model - for SEA that will only be for the 12th TFW at CRB and 8th TFW at Ubon by squadron. 1967 F-4D package will include 8th TFW Ubon and 432nd TRW Udorn tailcodes with serials by squadron. If we're going to do this, we might as well try to do it right. I have the info for correct serials so I'll try to be as accurate as possible. I'll tweak the Gunfighters decals for the C and D as separate packs. The 1972 pack will have the tape light versions of the F-4D by unit. EF-4C from Kadena in 1972 separate, etc. I've been wanting to overhal the tailcode project for USAF F-4s and this would be the best way. Now we can fly real serials with real squadrons. I had the drag chute door animated but now it's not working, so I dumped it. Mike

O.K. - the Marines are in. But Navy...I dunno.... Yes, Crab started stuff for B and N model as well, J too. But not until C/D are squared away.