I appriciate the help and information. I've downloaded the patches(not taking any chances of losing internet connection on the day i get off), and probally read every scrap of information I can find. The one positive to waiting on the shipping is I was able to get my x52 programmed to cfs3, and re-learn its (slightly un-natural) interface. As to the trackir, i will probally have to wait till christmas. The cost for me getting off, my x52, and a decent gaming rig was to buy my wife a new car