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jklv    0

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Hi

Well ive seen the sidewinder is not affected by flares, it ignores em.

What value makes that??

cause ive tried to make a r73 ignore flares too but dont seem to find how to fix it.

 

Ive tried changing the following:

capability flags

countercountermeasures

 

thanks

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Fubar512    1,350

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Hi

Well ive seen the sidewinder is not affected by flares, it ignores em.

What value makes that??

cause ive tried to make a r73 ignore flares too but dont seem to find how to fix it.

 

Ive tried changing the following:

capability flags

countercountermeasures

 

thanks

 

What model Sidewinder? What model Archer?

 

I've no problem hitting targets with both the R-73M1 and M2, unless said target is maneuvering and dumping flares simultaneously, and I'm firing from a rear quarter aspect while it's doing so.

 

I've even found the R-60MK to be effective when fired within its parameters.

 

I'll tell you what. Copy and paste the .ini entries for the R-73M1 & M2. and for L & M-series Sidewinders to your response, and I'll see if they match my entries.

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What model Sidewinder? What model Archer?

 

I've no problem hitting targets with both the R-73M1 and M2, unless said target is maneuvering and dumping flares simultaneously, and I'm firing from a rear quarter aspect while it's doing so.

 

I've even found the R-60MK to be effective when fired within its parameters.

 

I'll tell you what. Copy and paste the .ini entries for the R-73M1 & M2. and for L & M-series Sidewinders to your response, and I'll see if they match my entries.

 

Sidewinder, when i shoot this missile it hits even if enemy deploys flares

[WeaponData716]

TypeName=AIM-9X

FullName=AIM-9X Sidewinder

ModelName=AIM9X

Mass=83.900002

Diameter=0.127000

Length=2.983000

AttachmentType=USAF,USN

NationName=USAF

StartYear=2002

EndYear=2020

Availability=1

BaseQuantity=40

Exported=TRUE

ExportStartYear=2002

ExportEndYear=2020

ExportAvailability=1

WeaponDataType=1

RailLaunched=TRUE

RocketPod=FALSE

Retarded=FALSE

Streamlined=TRUE

FinStabilized=TRUE

SpinStabilized=FALSE

HasGrowl=TRUE

EffectClassName=SmallMissileEffects

ReleaseDelay=0.000000

WarheadType=0

Explosives=10.150000

FusingDistance=1.500000

ClusterBomblets=0

ClusterDispersion=0.000000

GuidanceType=10

Accuracy=100

MaxTurnRate=80.000000

MaxLaunchG=9.000000

LockonChance=90

LaunchReliability=90

ArmingTime=0.500000

SeekerFOV=30.000000

SeekerGimbleLimit=90.000000

SeekerTrackRate=200.000000

SeekerRange=40000.000000

MinLaunchRange=150.000000

MaxLaunchRange=26500.000000

Duration=90.000000

CounterCountermeasure=100.000000

NoiseRejection=95.000000

CapabilityFlags=0x000004c4

BoosterStart=0.000000

BoosterDuration=4.700000

BoosterAccel=17.930000

BoosterEffectName=SmokelessMissileEffect

BoosterSoundName=Missile

BoosterNodeName=

BoosterPosition=0.000000,-1.505000,0.000000

SustainerDuration=0.000000

SustainerAccel=0.000000

SustainerEffectName=

SustainerSoundName=

SustainerPosition=0.000000,-1.505000,0.000000

InFlightEffectName=MissileInFlightEffect

InFlightSoundName=

ReleaseAnimationID=-1

EODisplayFlags=0

 

 

r-73 0% hit rate if flares deployed, i tried almost everything overpowering it and nothing happens

 

[WeaponData774]

TypeName=R-73M1

FullName=R-73M1 Archer

ModelName=R73

Mass=105.000000

Diameter=0.170000

Length=2.900000

AttachmentType=SOVIET,CHINA,W_GERMANY,YUGOSLAVIA

NationName=SOVIET

StartYear=1980

EndYear=2050

Availability=3

BaseQuantity=40

Exported=TRUE

ExportStartYear=1991

ExportEndYear=2020

ExportAvailability=2

WeaponDataType=1

RailLaunched=TRUE

RocketPod=FALSE

Retarded=FALSE

Streamlined=TRUE

FinStabilized=TRUE

SpinStabilized=TRUE

HasGrowl=TRUE

EffectClassName=SmallMissileEffects

ReleaseDelay=0.000000

WarheadType=0

Explosives=17.400000

FusingDistance=1.5000000

ClusterBomblets=0

ClusterDispersion=0.000000

GuidanceType=10

Accuracy=99

MaxTurnRate=90.000000

MaxLaunchG=12.000000

LockonChance=99

LaunchReliability=99

ArmingTime=0.500000

SeekerFOV=30.00000

SeekerGimbleLimit=99.000000

SeekerTrackRate=300.000000

SeekerRange=50000.000000

MinLaunchRange=100.000000

MaxLaunchRange=30000.000000

Duration=90.000000

CounterCountermeasure=900.000000

NoiseRejection=90.000000

CapabilityFlags=0x000004c4

BoosterStart=0.000000

BoosterDuration=7

BoosterAccel=46.810001

BoosterEffectName=MissileFireEffect

BoosterSoundName=Missile

BoosterNodeName=

BoosterPosition=0.000000,-1.456000,0.000000

SustainerDuration=60.000000

SustainerAccel=0.375000

SustainerEffectName=RocketFireEffect

SustainerSoundName=Missile

SustainerPosition=0.000000,-1.456000,0.000000

InFlightEffectName=MissileInFlightEffect

InFlightSoundName=

ReleaseAnimationID=-1

EODisplayFlags=0

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MigBuster    2,879

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Posted (edited)

Well judging by the test fire videos Ive seen an AIM-9X cant be decoyed by flares so thats pretty much spot on.

 

Thats to say that flares being developed may have more success - but im not hopeful

Edited by CoolHand29

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Fubar512    1,350

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First off, you're comparing a twenty-year old missile to one that is just coming on line.

 

Secondly, the in-service date on the R-73M1 was 1987, not 1980.

 

Thirdly, you're probably not taking advantage of the missile's all-aspect capabilities, and that is why you're probably shooting at flares. Ponder that one.

 

Anyway, lets get to debugging these. I've replaced the unrealistic figures with those that are pretty much spot-on, and marked them wherever I thought attention might be warranted.

 

TypeName=AIM-9X

FullName=AIM-9X Sidewinder

ModelName=AIM9X

Mass=83.900002

Diameter=0.127000

Length=2.983000

AttachmentType=USAF,USN

NationName=USAF

StartYear=2002

EndYear=2020

Availability=1

BaseQuantity=40

Exported=TRUE

ExportStartYear=2002

ExportEndYear=2020

ExportAvailability=1

WeaponDataType=1

RailLaunched=TRUE

RocketPod=FALSE

Retarded=FALSE

Streamlined=TRUE

FinStabilized=TRUE

SpinStabilized=FALSE

HasGrowl=TRUE

EffectClassName=SmallMissileEffects

ReleaseDelay=0.000000

WarheadType=0

Explosives=4.50000

FusingDistance=1.500000

ClusterBomblets=0

ClusterDispersion=0.000000

GuidanceType=10

Accuracy=90

MaxTurnRate=70.000000

MaxLaunchG=9.000000

LockonChance=90

LaunchReliability=90

ArmingTime=0.500000

SeekerFOV=30.000000

SeekerGimbleLimit=90.000000<----off boresite capability

SeekerTrackRate=200.000000

SeekerRange=40000.000000

MinLaunchRange=150.000000

MaxLaunchRange=26500.000000

Duration=90.000000

CounterCountermeasure=99.700000<----likely a more realistic figure

NoiseRejection=95.000000

CapabilityFlags=0x000004c4

BoosterStart=0.000000

BoosterDuration=4.700000

BoosterAccel=17.930000

BoosterEffectName=SmokelessMissileEffect

BoosterSoundName=Missile

BoosterNodeName=

BoosterPosition=0.000000,-1.505000,0.000000

SustainerDuration=0.000000

SustainerAccel=0.000000

SustainerEffectName=

SustainerSoundName=

SustainerPosition=0.000000,-1.505000,0.000000

InFlightEffectName=MissileInFlightEffect

InFlightSoundName=

ReleaseAnimationID=-1

EODisplayFlags=0

 

Your R-73M1 was grossly unrealistic, way beyond whatever fixes would be considered necessary to overcome the few limitations of the sim.

 

TypeName=R-73M1

FullName=R-73M1 Archer

ModelName=R73

Mass=105.000000

Diameter=0.170000

Length=2.900000

AttachmentType=SOVIET,CHINA,W_GERMANY,YUGOSLAVIA

NationName=SOVIET

StartYear=1987

EndYear=2010

Availability=3

BaseQuantity=40

Exported=TRUE

ExportStartYear=1991

ExportEndYear=2020

ExportAvailability=2

WeaponDataType=1

RailLaunched=TRUE

RocketPod=FALSE

Retarded=FALSE

Streamlined=TRUE

FinStabilized=TRUE

SpinStabilized=TRUE

HasGrowl=TRUE

EffectClassName=SmallMissileEffects

ReleaseDelay=0.000000

WarheadType=0

Explosives=16.810000

FusingDistance=1.000000

ClusterBomblets=0

ClusterDispersion=0.000000

GuidanceType=10

Accuracy=99

MaxTurnRate=48.000000

MaxLaunchG=9.800000

LockonChance=88

LaunchReliability=95

ArmingTime=0.500000

SeekerFOV=2.50000

SeekerGimbleLimit=60.000000<------Off boresite capability

SeekerTrackRate=150.000000<------An advantage over its contemporaries back in the late 1980s

SeekerRange=20000.000000

MinLaunchRange=300.000000

MaxLaunchRange=20000.000000

Duration=70.000000

CounterCountermeasure=90.000000<-----The M2 would improve this to 99%

NoiseRejection=85.000000

CapabilityFlags=0x100004c0

BoosterStart=0.000000

BoosterDuration=5.8000

BoosterAccel=18.810001<---way waaaaaay off

BoosterEffectName=MissileFireEffect

BoosterSoundName=Missile

BoosterNodeName=

BoosterPosition=0.000000,-1.456000,0.000000

SustainerDuration=60.000000

SustainerAccel=0.375000

SustainerEffectName=RocketFireEffect

SustainerSoundName=Missile

SustainerPosition=0.000000,-1.456000,0.000000

InFlightEffectName=MissileInFlightEffect

InFlightSoundName=

ReleaseAnimationID=-1

EODisplayFlags=0

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First off, you're comparing a twenty-year old missile to one that is just coming on line.

 

Secondly, the in-service date on the R-73M1 was 1987, not 1980.

 

Thirdly, you're probably not taking advantage of the missile's all-aspect capabilities, and that is why you're probably shooting at flares. Ponder that one.

 

Anyway, lets get to debugging these. I've replaced the unrealistic figures with those that are pretty much spot-on, and marked them wherever I thought attention might be warranted.

 

TypeName=AIM-9X

FullName=AIM-9X Sidewinder

ModelName=AIM9X

Mass=83.900002

Diameter=0.127000

Length=2.983000

AttachmentType=USAF,USN

NationName=USAF

StartYear=2002

EndYear=2020

Availability=1

BaseQuantity=40

Exported=TRUE

ExportStartYear=2002

ExportEndYear=2020

ExportAvailability=1

WeaponDataType=1

RailLaunched=TRUE

RocketPod=FALSE

Retarded=FALSE

Streamlined=TRUE

FinStabilized=TRUE

SpinStabilized=FALSE

HasGrowl=TRUE

EffectClassName=SmallMissileEffects

ReleaseDelay=0.000000

WarheadType=0

Explosives=4.50000

FusingDistance=1.500000

ClusterBomblets=0

ClusterDispersion=0.000000

GuidanceType=10

Accuracy=90

MaxTurnRate=70.000000

MaxLaunchG=9.000000

LockonChance=90

LaunchReliability=90

ArmingTime=0.500000

SeekerFOV=30.000000

SeekerGimbleLimit=90.000000<----off boresite capability

SeekerTrackRate=200.000000

SeekerRange=40000.000000

MinLaunchRange=150.000000

MaxLaunchRange=26500.000000

Duration=90.000000

CounterCountermeasure=99.700000<----likely a more realistic figure

NoiseRejection=95.000000

CapabilityFlags=0x000004c4

BoosterStart=0.000000

BoosterDuration=4.700000

BoosterAccel=17.930000

BoosterEffectName=SmokelessMissileEffect

BoosterSoundName=Missile

BoosterNodeName=

BoosterPosition=0.000000,-1.505000,0.000000

SustainerDuration=0.000000

SustainerAccel=0.000000

SustainerEffectName=

SustainerSoundName=

SustainerPosition=0.000000,-1.505000,0.000000

InFlightEffectName=MissileInFlightEffect

InFlightSoundName=

ReleaseAnimationID=-1

EODisplayFlags=0

 

Your R-73M1 was grossly unrealistic, way beyond whatever fixes would be considered necessary to overcome the few limitations of the sim.

 

TypeName=R-73M1

FullName=R-73M1 Archer

ModelName=R73

Mass=105.000000

Diameter=0.170000

Length=2.900000

AttachmentType=SOVIET,CHINA,W_GERMANY,YUGOSLAVIA

NationName=SOVIET

StartYear=1987

EndYear=2010

Availability=3

BaseQuantity=40

Exported=TRUE

ExportStartYear=1991

ExportEndYear=2020

ExportAvailability=2

WeaponDataType=1

RailLaunched=TRUE

RocketPod=FALSE

Retarded=FALSE

Streamlined=TRUE

FinStabilized=TRUE

SpinStabilized=TRUE

HasGrowl=TRUE

EffectClassName=SmallMissileEffects

ReleaseDelay=0.000000

WarheadType=0

Explosives=16.810000

FusingDistance=1.000000

ClusterBomblets=0

ClusterDispersion=0.000000

GuidanceType=10

Accuracy=99

MaxTurnRate=48.000000

MaxLaunchG=9.800000

LockonChance=88

LaunchReliability=95

ArmingTime=0.500000

SeekerFOV=2.50000

SeekerGimbleLimit=60.000000<------Off boresite capability

SeekerTrackRate=150.000000<------An advantage over its contemporaries back in the late 1980s

SeekerRange=20000.000000

MinLaunchRange=300.000000

MaxLaunchRange=20000.000000

Duration=70.000000

CounterCountermeasure=90.000000<-----The M2 would improve this to 99%

NoiseRejection=85.000000

CapabilityFlags=0x100004c0

BoosterStart=0.000000

BoosterDuration=5.8000

BoosterAccel=18.810001<---way waaaaaay off

BoosterEffectName=MissileFireEffect

BoosterSoundName=Missile

BoosterNodeName=

BoosterPosition=0.000000,-1.456000,0.000000

SustainerDuration=60.000000

SustainerAccel=0.375000

SustainerEffectName=RocketFireEffect

SustainerSoundName=Missile

SustainerPosition=0.000000,-1.456000,0.000000

InFlightEffectName=MissileInFlightEffect

InFlightSoundName=

ReleaseAnimationID=-1

EODisplayFlags=0

 

Yeah i know it was really overpowered, i did that trying to fix it.x3

Thanks :wink:

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jklv    0

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lol one lesson i learned

dont try to overpower the booster acceleration, it will make the missile go to fast that misses its traget (cant turn better)

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