+Dave Posted January 31, 2008 Posted January 31, 2008 Wasn't there a German dude named Hartmann that walked away from WWII and 352 engagements flying a kite that was much lower capacity machine that the guys he flew against. Boys and girls, it is the heart and skill of the tiger in the seat that prevails, not the machine. Exactly Jug. Quote
sparkomatic Posted January 31, 2008 Posted January 31, 2008 - Some Sparrows are being used as live-fire training since it is cheaper to shoot them off than have them de-mil'ed...I heard something similar for the -54C in that right as the Tomcats were hitting the event horizon, they were popping those million-dollar-babies like bottle rockets... - even if you calculate the cost of fuel and the TALD, it was still cheaper/practical to just squeeze them off rather than box up the Sparrows - The Sparrow still has/had some advantages, for a while during ONW/OSW a mixed load of -7/-120 was carried not due to -120 shortages but due to tactical advantage the -7 had against a MiG-25 HFF...of course the -120 can hit it before you even start that flame war... Quote
+FastCargo Posted January 31, 2008 Posted January 31, 2008 Some of the bros also said the big advantage of the Sparrow in the post 9-11 world is that you can have it 'go stupid' after launch if you had the wrong target (such as a airliner)...vs a Slammer that'll do the 'mad dog' thing... FastCargo Quote
+JediMaster Posted February 1, 2008 Posted February 1, 2008 Yeah, the only AAM with "recall" ability. Quote
Sixgun Posted February 9, 2008 Posted February 9, 2008 Coming in late to the fight, sorry. Many folks have had a hard time understanding radius versus rate in a turning fight, and many folks have had a hard time realizing that a Turkey can pull 6.5G at 250kts all day. IIRC, 6.5@250 beats 9@450. Also would like to echo the Man in the Fight comment, but note that Hartmann was bagged more than once himself on the way to 300+ kills. Quote
+JediMaster Posted February 11, 2008 Posted February 11, 2008 Yes, but how many of those were by enemy air and how many by ground fire? I believe Hartmann was shot down by ground fire the majority of the times he was shot down... Quote
+DWCAce Posted February 11, 2008 Posted February 11, 2008 On the topic of blasting away missiles: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqyI04WDZlQ Check it around 21:23 :) Quote
Sixgun Posted February 12, 2008 Posted February 12, 2008 On the topic of blasting away missiles: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqyI04WDZlQ Check it around 21:23 :) Dammit, that got me all misty-eyed! Quote
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