Are there any Electro-Optical or other type of warning sytems to counter heat seeking missiles?

[MigBuster 2,884]

Nope... I dont believe so... It's still got the cannon pod under the nose and the RF-4E has its camera set housed in the undernose pod instead of the cannon...

 

Some RF-4E's have camera ports on the panels close to the nose,as you said.

 

However it's unlikelly that the one in MigMasher's post is one of them.....

 

have a look at the pics in this link:

 

http://www.airplane-pictures.net/type.php?p=225

 

 

 

The Israelis extended all their cannon muzzles - and if that pod did fire would render the bottom camera useless.

 

It must be an Isreali Mod:

 

http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=h...;hl=en&sa=X

Edited September 24, 2008 by MigBuster

[SkyStrike 15]

http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=h...;hl=en&sa=X

 

This link isn't opening... please could you post the actual website if you can? Thanks...

[MiGMasher 0]

MigBuster, The info that you seek is available as an article written by a fellow named Carl Kopp about the F-111. You may have to google search this one as I forgot the link, however, I do know that it was published by Australian Aviation magazine years ago.

 

Tomcat_ace, I believe the particular phantom that I have in the signature is one of three F-4's that were modified with a unique camera system called HIAC. One of these may have been lost in action. These particular birds' operational histories are not very well known.

[MiGMasher 0]

Okay MigBuster the system I was talking about is the Cincinnati AN/AAR-34 Infrared Tail Warning system.

 

"...The bullet on the top of the vertical stabiliser houses the Cincinnati AN/AAR-34 infra-red tail warning system, which was the first ever Missile Approach Warning System (MAWS) fitted to a tactical fighter..."

 

And this...

 

"...The existing defensive avionic suite is built around the Dalmo Victor (General Instrument) AN/ALR-62(V) radar warning receiver, the Sanders (Lockheed) AN/ALQ-94 and 137 defensive electronic countermeasures (ECM), an AN/ALE-28 chaff/flare dispenser and the Cincinnati AN/AAR-34 Infrared Tail Warning system. When penetrating hostile airspace, the ALR-62 is used to detect and identify threat emitters. Where these cannot be avoided, the ALQ-94 or 137 in the G-model are then used to jam the threat, which is typically the acquisition or fire control radar for a Surface to Air Missile (SAM) or Anti Aircraft Artillery (AAA) system. Approaching missiles in the tail quadrant are detected by the AAR-34 and decoyed with flares or chaff dispensed by the ALE-28 equipment. This suite is conventional by modern standards, but in its time was the most comprehensive of its kind to be deployed in a tactical aircraft. The fact that no USAF F-111E/F aircraft were lost to hostile fire during the Gulf War reflects very favourably, but we should not lose sight of the fact the Iraqis used largely seventies generation Soviet AAA, SAM and acquisition radar systems, which the F-111 EW suite was specifically built to defeat..."

 

And This...

 

"...The tail mounted Cincinnati AN/AAR-34 infrared warning system employs a tracker with a cryogenically cooled detector to warn the crew of missiles in the aircraft's aft hemisphere..."

Edited September 24, 2008 by MiGMasher

[MigBuster 2,884]

This link isn't opening... please could you post the actual website if you can? Thanks...

 

 

oops here:http://flickr.com/photos/93452909@N00/468987245

[MigBuster 2,884]

MigBuster, The info that you seek is available as an article written by a fellow named Carl Kopp about the F-111. You may have to google search this one as I forgot the link, however, I do know that it was published by Australian Aviation magazine years ago.

 

Tomcat_ace, I believe the particular phantom that I have in the signature is one of three F-4's that were modified with a unique camera system called HIAC. One of these may have been lost in action. These particular birds' operational histories are not very well known.

 

Cheers MM I have read a lot that he has written and this may be a good source.

 

Some of his articles - like the one F-35 Vs Flanker scenarios are based on speculation and a political agenga he has - and really should be ignored though.

[MigBuster 2,884]

Okay MigBuster the system I was talking about is the Cincinnati AN/AAR-34 Infrared Tail Warning system.

 

"...The bullet on the top of the vertical stabiliser houses the Cincinnati AN/AAR-34 infra-red tail warning system, which was the first ever Missile Approach Warning System (MAWS) fitted to a tactical fighter..."

 

And this...

 

"...The existing defensive avionic suite is built around the Dalmo Victor (General Instrument) AN/ALR-62(V) radar warning receiver, the Sanders (Lockheed) AN/ALQ-94 and 137 defensive electronic countermeasures (ECM), an AN/ALE-28 chaff/flare dispenser and the Cincinnati AN/AAR-34 Infrared Tail Warning system. When penetrating hostile airspace, the ALR-62 is used to detect and identify threat emitters. Where these cannot be avoided, the ALQ-94 or 137 in the G-model are then used to jam the threat, which is typically the acquisition or fire control radar for a Surface to Air Missile (SAM) or Anti Aircraft Artillery (AAA) system. Approaching missiles in the tail quadrant are detected by the AAR-34 and decoyed with flares or chaff dispensed by the ALE-28 equipment. This suite is conventional by modern standards, but in its time was the most comprehensive of its kind to be deployed in a tactical aircraft. The fact that no USAF F-111E/F aircraft were lost to hostile fire during the Gulf War reflects very favourably, but we should not lose sight of the fact the Iraqis used largely seventies generation Soviet AAA, SAM and acquisition radar systems, which the F-111 EW suite was specifically built to defeat..."

 

And This...

 

"...The tail mounted Cincinnati AN/AAR-34 infrared warning system employs a tracker with a cryogenically cooled detector to warn the crew of missiles in the aircraft's aft hemisphere..."

 

 

 

Fantastic stuff - I will look further into this.....

 

pity the A-10s never had anything like this in 91

[MiGMasher 0]

Fantastic stuff - I will look further into this.....

 

pity the A-10s never had anything like this in 91

 

No worries, MigBuster!

 

Yeah, I would think the AAR-34 would have been quite an economical piece of kit for the A-10, but alas, the U.S. Air Force wanted to get rid of the slow and ugly Warthog before Gulf War 91. It would have been low amongst dollars for upgrades at that time probably, I don't know. But judging by the sheer "frugality" of the A-10 in that point in time, it could be a fair statement to make.

 

Love the A-10. Twas a smart move to keep it in service!

[SkyStrike 15]

oops here:http://flickr.com/photos/93452909@N00/468987245

 

Thanks MigBuster.... those pics feature the same type of Phantom as MigMasher's signature pic... The camera panels are masked though...

 

Nevertheless...

I concede my defeat....

[+ST0RM 145]

The F-4 in his sig is called the F-4E(S). It's actually part of the F-4 pacakge that the Mirage Factory released.

 

The gun fairing was retained because they were modified gunnosed F-4Es, instead of purpose built RF-4,

 

"Three Israeli F-4E modified for high-speed reconnaissance as a cheaper alternative to the ambitious F-4X. Fitted with a new nose containing the HIAC-1 LOROP long-range camera with a 66-in (168 cm) focal length as well as a vertical KS-87 camera. The aircraft had a false radome painted on the nose to resemble conventional F-4Es"

 

Tomcat_ace, you are beating a dead horse. We dont not believe you about MWS being available in real aircraft, it's just not available in the sim. The code isnt there to begin with, so we cant tweak it to add it. Yes it would be nice to have an MWS that auto fired flares in response to an IR threat.

 

Sorry man.