Mig-23 cockpit series almost finished (with working Mig-23HUD)

[+ordway 23]

I have almost finished five or so different Mig-23 cockpits with Starfighter 2s Mig-23 HUDs:

 

Mig-23M (First production version-old style cockpit with included radar hood).

Mig-23MS (Supremely dumbed down "M" export version-old style cockpit with included radar hood-Type used by Israelis for target practice over the Bekaa Valley-uses Mig-21MF avionics).

Mig23P Special PVO old cockpit version with datalinks all over the HUD and including a radar hood).

Mig-23MLA Later PVO version with massive data linking and radar projected on HUD and no radar hood).

Mig-23MLD Final Mig-23 version with no radar hood and snappy avionics but no data linking.

 

 

Early Mig-23 versus Mig 21MF cockpit for comparison: Can you guess which is which?

 

EDIT- I found out that this is closer to a Mig-23S - June 1972.

 

Mig-23MLD cockpit- Last production version (Edit-I added this after first post).

Edited June 28, 2009 by ordway

[+Epizikl 7]

And your basis for this work was drawn cabin MiG-21 (?)

[Atreides 144]

Looking great :yes: For the MLD can we get rid of the pesky camera ?

[+ordway 23]

And your basis for this work was drawn cabin MiG-21 (?)

 

 

1) They were almost exactly the same (bunch of copy cats).

 

2) The beautiful Mig-21MF cockpit has already been done and was a base for the early version (not the later one).

 

3) I am not skilled enough to make a complete cockpit from scratch that is so similar to the Mig-21MF cockpit.

 

4) The later Mig-23 cockpits dump the radar hood and get a different cockpit with radar "on the HUD" (if you can call the Sovs idea of a HUD).

 

5) I had a hell of a time, as it was, making the suckers even work with Starfighter 2's 4-5 different HUDs (a month).

Edited June 24, 2009 by ordway

[+ordway 23]

Looking great :yes: For the MLD can we get rid of the pesky camera ?

 

That is an issue. The later Mig-23 variants still had a pole sticking out in front of the pilot for the (gun camera?)...but no attached can.

 

So I would need to draw a pole somehow or just keep the gun camera there.

 

Note "pole" sticking out in front of the pilot on this late model version with the attached "can" missing. The gunsight *does* have a horizontal "grill" (what is that, anyone?).

 

Edited June 28, 2009 by ordway

[+The Trooper 104]

just to clear up some misconceptions (click on the links):

>> MiG-23S << - radar screen, ASP-PFD gunsight, SPO-10 RWR

>> MiG-23MF (or M) <<

>> MiG-23MF << - no radar screen (radar data projected on HUD), ASP-23D HUD, SPO-10 RWR

>> MiG-23ML << - no radar screen (radar data projected on HUD), ASP-23ML HUD, SPO-10 RWR

>> MiG-23MLD <<

>> MiG-23MLD << - no radar screen (radar data projected on HUD), ASP-17ML HUD, SPO-15 RWR

Edited June 25, 2009 by The Trooper

[jomni 6]

Looks nice. Looking forward.

[turkeydriver 4]

Ordway I've been where that pic wa taken......

[+Soulfreak 6,524]

looks very nice!

keep up the good work!

[+Epizikl 7]

1) They were almost exactly the same (bunch of copy cats).

 

2) The beautiful Mig-21MF cockpit has already been done and was a base for the early version (not the later one).

 

3) I am not skilled enough to make a complete cockpit from scratch that is so similar to the Mig-21MF cockpit.

 

4) The later Mig-23 cockpits dump the radar hood and get a different cockpit with radar "on the HUD" (if you can call the Sovs idea of a HUD).

 

5) I had a hell of a time, as it was, making the suckers even work with Starfighter 2's 4-5 different HUDs (a month).

 

All understood.

 

Slightly clarify: a well-made MiG-21 cockpit, not only for the version of the "MF", but also for the "bis", and even if I am not mistaken (can not check now, because the problem with your computer) to "S" ...

Simply using the cabs for the MiG-21 MiG-23 picture spoils the appearance of the locking bar open to the lamp ...

[+Epizikl 7]

ordway (!)

 

When the finish work and have it all (?)

[Erwin_Hans 6]

Good work!

 

It is a very good idea to make a MiG-23MS cockpit from MiG-21S/SM/M/MF pit.

 

But I saw two promblem.

 

The first one is MiG-23MS have no HUD.

 

And the second...I'm not sure about the beautiful Mig-21MF pit...

 

It looks very close to the MiG-21MF-75 pit,and MF-75 used a MiG-21Bis cockpit...

 

So I'm not sure if it is MF or MF-75...

[Atreides 144]

That is an issue. The later Mig-23 variants still had a pole sticking out in front of the pilot for the (gun camera?)...but no attached can.

 

No prob if I'm not mistaken I can remove it with an .ini edit.

[+ordway 23]

No prob if I'm not mistaken I can remove it with an .ini edit.

 

Great! I'll give you credit of course! So how do we remove the "can" part but leave the pole part of the "gun camera?"

 

I've been away and will get back to all the other excellent posts and suggestions in this thread.

[+ordway 23]

Ordway I've been where that pic wa taken......

 

Okay, okay! Please give me some intel

[+ordway 23]

just to clear up some misconceptions (click on the links):

>> MiG-23S << - radar screen, ASP-PFD gunsight, SPO-10 RWR

>> MiG-23MF (or M) <<

>> MiG-23MF << - no radar screen (radar data projected on HUD), ASP-23D HUD, SPO-10 RWR

>> MiG-23ML << - no radar screen (radar data projected on HUD), ASP-23ML HUD, SPO-10 RWR

>> MiG-23MLD <<

>> MiG-23MLD << - no radar screen (radar data projected on HUD), ASP-17ML HUD, SPO-15 RWR

 

 

Okay, so to everyone- thanks for all the info,

 

1) So, do we have agreement that *only* the Mig-23S and the Mig-23MS have the radar hood on the instrument panel?

 

2) All the other Mig-23 versions have the radar on the HUD and no radar hood on the instrument panel?

 

Thanks,

[+Brain32 265]

I'm pretty sure atleast some M's had Saphir21, meaning 21MF pit could be used, might be an interim solution until they got Saphir23, I'm not sure...

[kukulino 1]

Mmm, we have Mig-21 cockpit without radar scope too... In great AmokFloos Mig-21UM. There is included Paladrians very nice Mig-21UM pit. From my point of view it is not necessary use Su-17 pit for Migs. Just my opinion.

[+Epizikl 7]

At the request of lindr2 to announce the following ...

 

Since modification of MiG-23M for all subsequent modifications were established ILS.

Thus, ILS had the following update: M, MF, ML, MLA, MLD, P

 

Pictures can be viewed in the archives of MiG-23M_color.rar

 

The cockpit MiG-23S can be found here:

 

http://walkarounds.airforce.ru/avia/rus/mi...g-23s/index.htm

 

Practically, MiG-23UB has NO RADAR, Except for a small lot of airplanes of early production.

MiG_23M_color.rar

Edited June 28, 2009 by Epizikl

[+ordway 23]

Mmm, we have Mig-21 cockpit without radar scope too... In great AmokFloos Mig-21UM. There is included Paladrians very nice Mig-21UM pit. From my point of view it is not necessary use Su-17 pit for Migs. Just my opinion.

 

Yum, yum, yum! Thanks, I did not know this. I *like* this idea of using a Mig-21UM cockpit! I don't like using the Su-17 pit either...it looks rather like a B-52 cockpit...a bit big looking for a tiny Mig-23 pit.

 

Off to my drawing board again. But I feel better about it.

[+ordway 23]

At the request of lindr2 to announce the following ...

 

Since modification of MiG-23M for all subsequent modifications were established ILS.

Thus, ILS had the following update: M, MF, ML, MLA, MLD, P

 

Pictures can be viewed in the archives of MiG-23M_color.rar

 

The cockpit MiG-23S can be found here:

 

http://walkarounds.airforce.ru/avia/rus/mi...g-23s/index.htm

 

Practically, MiG-23UB has NO RADAR, Except for a small lot of airplanes of early production.

 

Nice find! superb HUD pics!

 

R

[+The Trooper 104]

The MiG-21MF pit looks closer to the MiG-23 one and it has working SPO-10 RWR. If you can just remove the radar scope...

[+ordway 23]

The MiG-21MF pit looks closer to the MiG-23 one and it has working SPO-10 RWR. If you can just remove the radar scope...

 

However, a seeming fatal problem with the Mig-21MF pit is "putting the radar on the HUD" which the SU9 cockpit has (more or less).

[+The Trooper 104]

Just an idea:

[HUDradar]
Type=RADAR_SCOPE
NodeName=Mira

[moveMiraY]
Type=AIRSPEED_INDICATOR
NodeName=Mira
MovementType=POSITION_Y
Set[01].Position=-0.1
Set[01].Value=0.0
Set[02].Position=-0.1
Set[02].Value=1.0

[MoveMiraZ]
Type=AIRSPEED_INDICATOR
NodeName=MiraPadre01
MovementType=POSITION_Z
Set[01].Position=0.16
Set[01].Value=0.0
Set[02].Position=0.16
Set[02].Value=1.0

 

Not an elegant solution, but it could be refined.

Too bad we can't use a transparent .tga for a radar background!

Edited June 29, 2009 by The Trooper

[+ordway 23]

Just an idea:

[HUDradar]
Type=RADAR_SCOPE
NodeName=Mira

[moveMiraY]
Type=AIRSPEED_INDICATOR
NodeName=Mira
MovementType=POSITION_Y
Set[01].Position=-0.1
Set[01].Value=0.0
Set[02].Position=-0.1
Set[02].Value=1.0

[MoveMiraZ]
Type=AIRSPEED_INDICATOR
NodeName=MiraPadre01
MovementType=POSITION_Z
Set[01].Position=0.16
Set[01].Value=0.0
Set[02].Position=0.16
Set[02].Value=1.0

 

Not an elegant solution, but it could be refined.

Too bad we can't use a transparent .tga for a radar background!

 

Very nice! Yes, it needs to be refined like the SU-7 cockpit so that the radar only occupies the top part and is barely visible like the SU-7.

Edited June 29, 2009 by ordway