OT: For Olham, Norderney Seeflugstation Info

[RAF_Louvert 101]

Olham wrote in another thread:

Do you know a site with more info about that Staffel? Cause: they where only 8 kilometers away from where I was born and grew up, but I had never before heard of them, until I found this picture

 

I thought I would start a new topic for this Olham. Here are some items and links to help with your research of the Norderney Seeflugstation.

 

 

"The only NAVAL giant plane ever stationed on the North Sea was the earlier Dornier RS III, which was stationed at Norderney from February to June 1918 (the major part of that being actually factory tests), then also going to Warnemuende, but returning to Norderney again in October. This aircraft was also used post war for mine spotting duties." (Quoted from the following post at The Aerodrome: Marine Riesenflugzeug )

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Here are a couple of clips from “German and Austrian Aviation of World War One” by Hugh W. Cowin

 

 

 

 

 

 

Here is a link to a German site with a brief military history of Norderney and the Seeflugstation: http://seefliegerhor...kaiserzeit.html

 

And a link to a Bundesarchive source; page six has a list of documents on the Seeflugstation Norderney that you may be able to request or access, (not sure how, but I imagine it can be done). http://www.ostfriesi...undesarchiv.pdf

 

 

I found this of interest. A postcard from 10.9.16 with the postmark: "Kommando der Marine-Flugstation, II. Seefliegerabteilung Seeflugstation Norderney".

 

 

And this envelope from 04.12.15 also bearing the name "II.Seefliegerabteilung, Seeflugstation Norderney".

 

 

 

What exactly does "II.Seefliegerabteilung" translate to in English anyway?

 

 

Hope this helps you out Olham. Have fun Sir.

 

Cheers!

 

Lou

[Olham 164]

"II. Seefliegerabteilung" would be "2nd division Naval Airmen"

 

Thanks a lot, Lou - I will take some time to check the sites later. Perhaps I find even more?

 

 

 

PS/Edit: I did - detailed sketches and plans/maps - I didn't know all this!

 

http://seefliegerhorst.festungnorderney.de/html/kaiserzeit.html

Edited September 8, 2009 by Olham

[Bullethead 12]

"II. Seefliegerabteilung" would be "2nd division Naval Airmen"

 

You of course know your own language and military far better than I do, but I was under the impression that this meant "2nd Seaplane Squadron/Group". I arrived at this conclusion because the land plane squadrons were "Seelandfleigerabteilungen".

 

IOW, OFF's "MFJ 1" was I.Seelandfliegerabteilung in real life, or so I gather from my reading about it.

[Olham 164]

I don't know, how they would have to be called in English; I just made a direct translation.

 

MFJ means, as far as I know "Marine-Feldjagdstaffel", Marine means Navy, Feld (field) stands for land based operations, I'd say.

Perhaps Shredward or OvS can clear that better - I don't have much military knowledge really.

[RAF_Louvert 101]

Olham, I've no doubt your direct translation is correct, but I am equally sure that Bullethead is right about the intended meaning and how it would be worded in English. Seeing as how it is an address stamp, "2nd Seaplane Squadron" would make far more sense than "2nd Division Naval Airman". And you German folk are nothing if not precise.

 

Cheers!

 

Lou

 

 

[Olham 164]

As I said - I don't know much of the military, even in German.

 

Did you see my link in the above post, Lou?

[RAF_Louvert 101]

Yes I did Olham, and I had looked through that site earlier. I think it might be the same link as the one I listed in the first post. Lots of Norderney info for you on that website for sure.

 

Cheers!

 

Lou

[RAF_Louvert 101]

Olham, I just checked my copy of Bob Pearson outstanding work, "AIRCRAFT COLOURS AND MARKINGS OF THE FIRST WORLD WAR ERA", (a disc that should be in everyone's WW1 library IMHO), and he had three profiles you might be interested in. Here they are Sir:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Cheers!

 

Lou

[GRUMPYBEAR 1]

Olham, I just checked my copy of Bob Pearson outstanding work, "AIRCRAFT COLOURS AND MARKINGS OF THE FIRST WORLD WAR ERA", (a disc that should be in everyone's WW1 library IMHO), and he had three profiles you might be interested in. Here they are Sir:

 

 

Hi Lou

Yes Bob's disk is great. My son got it for me last Christmas.

 

GB

[RAF_Louvert 101]

Now THAT'S a nice Christmas gift to get GRUMPYBEAR. You've got a mighty thoughtful son there.

 

Cheers!

 

Lou

 

 

[Olham 164]

Must check AMAZON and EBAY for Bob Pearson - would be nice to have, for a skinner!

[UK_Widowmaker 571]

Must check AMAZON and EBAY for Bob Pearson - would be nice to have, for a skinner!

 

Damn right!..on my Xmas prezzie list!!!!

[Olham 164]

After some research, I can present you my results about the Seeflieger base Norderney.

There was even a supply railway line from the harbour along the base to the stores

south of town.

There has also been heavy Naval artillery at several spots on the island, and the railway

used to connect them all (so it went much further). But I couldn't find aerial pics of the artillery.

No pics found of the WW2 airfield they had on Norderney.

 

From all that, there is only one of the concrete ramps left, that was used to get the seaplanes

out of the water.

The railway was still in use in my childhood; when we visited the island, it brought us into town.

 

 

[RAF_Louvert 101]

That is very neat Olham! Must be exciting to have grown up so close by, and to know where the remains of this base are.

 

Cheers!

 

Lou

[shredward 12]

Must check AMAZON and EBAY for Bob Pearson - would be nice to have, for a skinner!

 

Just email him.

Cheers,

shredward

[zoomzoom 2]

Ok, well in this vein of "must have's, I just assumed you guys were all familiar with "The Great Albatros Cookup". They have one for Sopwiths too I think....but who cares about Sopwiths. Anyhoo, here are twoi links to Pearsons and Millers stuff on the site. Enjoy!

 

http://wwi-cookup.com/albatros/dva/profiles_bobpearson_dva.html

 

http://wwi-cookup.com/albatros/dva/profiles_markmiller_fuselage.html

 

http://wwi-cookup.com/albatros/dva/profiles_markmiller_cockpit.html

 

http://wwi-cookup.com/albatros/dva/profiles_markmiller_planviews.html

 

ZZ.

 

Oh, this site is geared mostly to guys that model small plastic versions, but if you look through them, there is a lot of other info there, as well as great ideas for skins from the finished products.

[zoomzoom 2]

A few more...on the main page you can select from different variants.....these are for the DV.

 

http://wwi-cookup.co...kmiller_dv.html

 

http://wwi-cookup.co...pearson_dv.html

 

ZZ.

 

 

Ok, ok ok. If you HAVE to have a Sopwith, this is a good one.

 

http://wwi-cookup.com/sopwith/pup/capturedpup.html

Edited September 9, 2009 by zoomzoom

[Olham 164]

Wow, Zoomzoom - didn't know this page! That is brilliant!!! Thank you very much, Herr Leutnant!!!

[zoomzoom 2]

You're most welcome.

 

ZZ.

 

 

[shredward 12]

http://www.cbrnp.com/RNP/CDv2/index.htm

 

shred

[Olham 164]

Ah, a fellow Canadian! Thanks for the link, Shred!