Many photos of Carl Holler at Jasta 6

[Olham]

Found these at The Aerodrome - enjoy!

 

http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/people/20653-photos-carl-holler-now-id.html

[NS13Jarhead]

Found these at The Aerodrome - enjoy!

 

http://www.theaerodr...ler-now-id.html

 

Thanks for sharing. Carl appears to be a bit of a goof. Always smiling at the camera. Based on his attitude in the photos (as compared to the other pilots), I'd bet he was the Jasta's "class clown"

[JFM]

Holler was a professional entertainer before/after the war, with the stage name Niels Sörensen, so his ease before the camera came naturally.

[Olham]

If I look at the other faces in some of the group photos, I think some humour did them good.

What I thought about him was, that he doesn't look at all like I would imagine a fighter pilot to appear.

 

I read somewhere, that he was kicked out of Jasta 6 for fraternising? If I remember right, he drank wine

with a French pilot they had shot down (perhaps he did?), and maybe they had a good talk and laughing.

For others in the Staffel, that must have been unbearable.

Does anyone know more detail about this? And what became of Carl Holler after this?

[Dej]

'Fraternising' ust have been something more serious, the practice of entertaining shot down foes was not, I believe, uncommon.

 

Udet recalls an incident where a shot-down English officer they were entertaining was allowed to go unescorted to the privy - across the field - and they were on tenterhooks that he might try to escape... but, being on his honour as a gentleman, the English pilot duly returned. He later overpowered his guard whilst being transported to POW camp, and escaped, but was the dutiful guest whilst being wined and dined by Jasta 11!

[Creaghorn]

'Fraternising' ust have been something more serious, the practice of entertaining shot down foes was not, I believe, uncommon.

 

Udet recalls an incident where a shot-down English officer they were entertaining was allowed to go unescorted to the privy - across the field - and they were on tenterhooks that he might try to escape... but, being on his honour as a gentleman, the English pilot duly returned. He later overpowered his guard whilst being transported to POW camp, and escaped, but was the dutiful guest whilst being wined and dined by Jasta 11!

 

was for sure the same british pilot LvR mentioned (forgot his name. i think he was an ace with 10 something kills). he told that the prisoner promised as a gentleman not to try to escape the day and following night, but from the next day on he would try to escape if occasion offers.

 

as a sidenote. this prisoner didn't want to tell any valuable informations and didn't even want to tell his killtally and the people of jasta 11 didn't try to force him. that one example of how it was in real. only a rather small number of fighterpilots were known by name and killnumbers by the enemy. most of them were largely unknown. e.G. i don't think that MvR copied painting his AC from navarre or stories like that. i don't think he even knew that navarre existed. or mccudden and others.

[Olham]

Well, I found the site where I had read about him - it was the "Flieger-Album", a great website

you can stroll around in for hours; there is even Holler's flying license to be seen:

 

http://www.flieger-album.de/geschichte/portraits/carlholler.php

 

Here is the translated bit about the incident:

In an aerial combat on 30 May 1917, Holler forced his opponent, Lieutenant Kantel

from the French (?) 54 Squadron/RFC , to land. Holler treated Kantel hospitably;

which was not appreciated at Jasta 6. Due to the heavy tension following after this,

Holler asked for his transfer back to Germany.

 

Does anyone know, why it says: French 54 Squadron RFC?

[shredward]

Well, I found the site where I had read about him - it was the "Flieger-Album", a great website

you can stroll around in for hours; there is even Holler's flying license to be seen:

 

http://www.flieger-a.../carlholler.php

 

Here is the translated bit about the incident:

In an aerial combat on 30 May 1917, Holler forced his opponent, Lieutenant Kantel

from the French (?) 54 Squadron/RFC , to land. Holler treated Kantel hospitably;

which was not appreciated at Jasta 6. Due to the heavy tension following after this,

Holler asked for his transfer back to Germany.

 

Does anyone know, why it says: French 54 Squadron RFC?

 

There is quite a lengthy article on Carl Holler in a back issue of OTF - I'll try and look it up the next time I'm home.

You could look up the particulars of his claim for 30 May OFF - I'm pretty sure I put it in there.

Cheers,

shred

[shredward]

There is quite a lengthy article on Carl Holler in a back issue of OTF - I'll try and look it up the next time I'm home.

You could look up the particulars of his claim for 30 May OFF - I'm pretty sure I put it in there.

Cheers,

shred

 

 

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[Olham]

You mean I can look up the single victories of all aces in OFF ??? How much more is there to discover???

[shredward]

You mean I can look up the single victories of all aces in OFF ??? How much more is there to discover???

 

Nope, not all of them yet unfortunately. So many aces, so little time. But yes, you can look up quite a few of them. You need to explore OFF in a little more depth lol!

Cheers,

shred

[Olham]

Nope, not all of them yet unfortunately. So many aces, so little time.

But yes, you can look up quite a few of them. You need to explore OFF in a little more depth lol!

Cheers, shred

Did I ever tell you that I am slow? I mean, I really get into things I like - but I am incredibly slow.

I knew that the aces of each squadron are there with a little report about them.

But only since you led me there, I have now realised, that their victories are always only shown

as far as the current date - a "developing victories slate" so to say!

You guys are marvellous, Shredder! This will be a great help for my future combat reports!

Edited October 31, 2010 by Olham