Lebed XII

[+Stephen1918]

Crowford, Thanks for the information about the Lebed insignia. Can you link to or post an image of the center marking so I can make revisions?

[Crawford]

Can you link to or post an image of the center marking so I can make revisions?

 

It hardly. Because the size of figure too small. Simply enough to remove dark blue points at the centre of marks on wings. I am not able to insert the images in this forum. Mark is possible to see here (top photo).

http://wio.ru/ww1a/voisin.htm

On early Voisins large badge represented on a rudder instead of an identification mark. Colour reconstruction hypothetical enough. The subject was discussed on a thematic Russian forum. http://aviaww1.forum24.ru/?1-19-20-00000012-000-120-0-1324064836

It is possible to specify at one of the fathers - founders of a forum,  aviator_bob ( http://aviator-bob.livejournal.com/?skip=10). He knows more, than I...

Edited January 19, 2015 by Crowford

[Crawford]

Can you link to or post an image of the center marking?

The reconstruction of an emblem was published in the book Краски русской авиации 1909-1922 гг.  (Paints of Russian aircraft 1909-1922). Bad quality image it is possible to look here:

http://www.retroplan.ru/encyclopaedia.html?sobi2Task=sobi2Details&sobi2Id=1093

 

Not hypothetical! ))

Edited January 19, 2015 by Crowford

[+Stephen1918]

Thank you Crowford, this is great information. You are right, the decals are too small to show the detail, but perhaps I will use the Lebed logo on the tail of the Voisin. I will upload a more correct version of the Lebed 12 shortly.

[+Geezer]

This is a really interesting thread.  You guys have raised the bar.....again.

[+Stephen1918]

I've learned a lot from this thread. I uploaded a revised version of the Lebed XII today. The only real difference is that it uses the standard insignia on the wings. The tail and the fuselage insignia decals use my decals with a small blue circle to represent the Lebed company logo.

Edited January 20, 2015 by Stephen1918

[Crawford]

Thank you Crowford, this is great information. You are right, the decals are too small to show the detail, but perhaps I will use the Lebed logo on the tail of the Voisin. I will upload a more correct version of the Lebed 12 shortly.

There is no gratitude! As the information is reconnoitered not by me, I only have informed that has learned from others.A thank to you for excellent models.

As to Voisins, such emblems were only by early machines, and on late were already same roundel insignia, as well as on Lebeds.

http://www.aviahobby.ru/publ/lebedev/lebedev7.html(top photo)

Voisins made at the Lebelev factory armed with a machine gun Colt. The installation under a machine gun Colt, developed on a factory Lebelev's, has passed tests in the spring of 1915 and was recommended in serial manufacture. It was first in Russian army the armed serial plane. http://www.aviahobby.ru/publ/lebedev/lebedev2.html

[Crawford]

I am sorry. Certainly Lebedev factory. A typing error repeated twice!

Edited January 20, 2015 by Crowford

[Crawford]

By the way, time we have started talking about a skis... Not only the Russian aeroplans equipped with winter by a skis! For example - austrian Hansa-Brandenburg C.I.

 

http://shot.qip.ru/00EFT6-6soytzqZP/

[Crawford]

... and some more photos of russian "swans". The arrangement insignia on a wing is well visible. It is standard russian roundels with the large white field in middle. Besides the small emblems on rudders of height are visible.

 

http://wio.ru/ww1a/lebed.htm

 

P.S. It is a lot of photos of planes of manufacture of a Lebedev's factory with decals at the insignias centre, and it meets not only on a tail emblem and on fuselage. Such practice of drawing of a firm emblem of a factory on marks of a national belonging is not unique, for an example I can result Elsass firm "Aviatik", it had practice of accommodation of the logo at the centre of a tail cross.

[+Stephen1918]

Concerning skis... I can only get them to work on absolutely flat airfields in "Easy" mode. There has to be some drag on the ski when the plane is on the ground, if the ground is not level, the drag causes the plane to never reach airspeed, go wandering around the terrain, or nose over. In "Normal" or "Hard" mode landing is nearly impossible because the plane noses down and crashes as soon as the skis touch the ground.

 

I've talked about this with ojcar, who made all the FMs for my floatplanes. The seaplanes only worked because the "ground" was always level, but even then, the drag had to be set so low that some planes taxi for kilometers after they land.

 

FE was not designed for these kinds of planes, the game engine does not have the necessary parameters. Meanwhile, there are dozens of wheeled aircraft still to be made, I'm going to go back to working on them.

[Crawford]

FE was not designed for these kinds of planes, the game engine does not have the necessary parameters.

 

Is sad, but... not a trouble! Ultimately, the skis was used seldom enough.  Let's close a theme.

 

Meanwhile, there are dozens of wheeled aircraft still to be made, I'm going to go back to working on them.

 

Yes, here you are completely right also I agree with you that the development of new models is more important and more necessary!

 

Edited January 28, 2015 by Crowford