Hauksbee 103 Posted September 10, 2015 One of the threads at SimHQ mentioned that RoF seemed to be withering. I just got back from checking it out. There's a thread entitled "The Future of RoF" and the general tenor is that it's time to hold the wake. "Battle of Stalingrad" has apparently done so well that 777 is now full bore developing "Battle of Moscow". (Why not? Same adversaries, same planes, same snow, etc.) The drips and drabs of information that the boyos have been able to elicit from the Devs seem to say, "Well, we haven't completely turned our back on RoF, but we're completely tied up on BoM so don't expect much, if anything, in the near future." Too bad. It was/is a great looking sim tho' I think WOFF overtook it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hellshade 110 Posted September 10, 2015 (edited) WOFF Is essentially the only WWI sim that I know of that is still in active development. RoF gets a new plane maybe every 6 to 8 months, but that's about it. 777 is no longer funneling resources into it much more than that and keeping the MP servers turned on. That's not saying RoF wasn't / isn't a great sim, it's just that if you are flying it, you shouldn't expect any more active development on it. Even a lot of the improvements to the core engine of BOS/M have not been translated back into RoF, which would seem to be relatively "low hanging fruit" given that they share the same core engine. I had always hoped they would do something about the "AI" in RoF. Unfortunately, no. We are lucky OBD is still fully committed to WOFF. We still never know when the next new add-on, patch or expansion will be released but we can feel pretty confident that it is in development and that's all the Devs are focused on. Edited September 10, 2015 by Hellshade Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RAF_Louvert 101 Posted September 11, 2015 . I stopped by the RoF forums a while back myself and came to the same conclusion - not much interest of any kind from the devs to develop it any further. Just the occasional sale on all the RoF goodies to try and generate what money they can on their previous efforts. Too bad, it is a great flight sim. . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hauksbee 103 Posted September 12, 2015 One telling bit of info was that 777 has been acquirred by, or, is "under contract to" 1C. The latter is a big company and 777 must take their marching orders from the big dog. I'm willing to bet that the 777 dev's and modelers do not have 'day jobs' like our guys. I've often marveled at the fact that our guys do. I don't know how they pull it off, but the fact that they do means it's a labor of love and they need not answer to anyone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hellshade 110 Posted September 12, 2015 (edited) One telling bit of info was that 777 has been acquirred by, or, is "under contract to" 1C. The latter is a big company and 777 must take their marching orders from the big dog. I'm willing to bet that the 777 dev's and modelers do not have 'day jobs' like our guys. I've often marveled at the fact that our guys do. I don't know how they pull it off, but the fact that they do means it's a labor of love and they need not answer to anyone. I personally happen to believe (besides the quality of the product they create and the amazing high level of support that they offer) that the fact that they DON'T take their marching orders from a big company is why they are still in business. WWI flight sims are unfortunately not all the rage that they were in the 1990s. Flight sims of any kind have dropped down to incredibly small numbers as more and more developers focus on hugely popular video game genres like FPS (First Person Shooters), MMORPGS (Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Games) and MOBAs (Mupliplayer Online Battle Arenas). Any major company is going to focus almost exclusively on profit and that takes their sites off of flight sims rather quickly. For those that do focus on flight sims, WWII and jet age stuff seems to be the most popular. I think OBDs genuine passion for WWI and the fact that they answer to no-one is why they are still developing today. I definitely don't think it's their strategy to get rich quick. Edited September 12, 2015 by Hellshade Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hauksbee 103 Posted September 12, 2015 I think OBDs genuine passion for WWI and the fact that they answer to no-one is why they are still developing today. I definitely don't think it's their strategy to get rich quick. Their attachment to day jobs would indicate the strategy is working. But I'd like to see a day in the near future when WOFF would support them. Imagine what they might do if they had all day to work on WOFF? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Olham 164 Posted September 12, 2015 I like RoF for flying online against other human flyers - but for single-flyers WOFF definitely offers the most immersive campaigns, a huge load of historical content, and the full Western front. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UK_Widowmaker 571 Posted September 20, 2015 I'm surprised that Battle for Stalingrad is doing so well... Hopefully, the likes of Teamfusion will really make something of it..but, the Russian Campaigns don't excite me, because of the..yes...snow :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hauksbee 103 Posted September 20, 2015 (edited) ...but, the Russian Campaigns don't excite me, because of the..yes...snow :) Agreed. But, in my case, it's also the Russian planes. I never developed a taste for them. ps: in your signature Camel picture, isn't that the BOC in the background? Edited September 20, 2015 by Hauksbee Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Olham 164 Posted September 20, 2015 Agreed. But, in my case, it's also the Russian planes. I never developed a taste for them. ps: in your signature Camel picture, isn't that the BOC in the background? Well, the MiG-3 looks at least sexy to me (That is, by the way, a Sopwith Snipe in Widow's signature). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hauksbee 103 Posted September 20, 2015 Why am I not surprised? Well, actually I am surprised...just asleep at the switch. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jeanba 1,920 Posted September 20, 2015 and the full Western front. No, only 51% of the Western Front, at best The French Air Force is reduced to some iconic planes (even the Spad fighters are not correctly represented) and it is impossible to play a "full" french operation due to lack of french Two-seaters. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hauksbee 103 Posted September 21, 2015 No, only 51% of the Western Front, at best Gasp! Next it'll be there's no Santa Claus... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Olham 164 Posted September 21, 2015 (edited) No, only 51% of the Western Front, at best Well, however many percent of the "full" theater - WOFF definitely offers the HIGHEST percentage available these days, IMHO. (I'm not trying to make RoF down, by the way - I own and fly it myself, and I find it great for online multiplayer simming.) Edited September 21, 2015 by Olham Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jeanba 1,920 Posted September 21, 2015 (edited) Well, however many percent of the "full" theater - WOFF definitely offers the HIGHEST percentage available these days, IMHO. (I'm not trying to make RoF down, by the way - I own and fly it myself, and I find it great for online multiplayer simming.) No, First Eagle 2 has a higher percentile than WoFF, if you include the 3rd party addons, though a-team addons may be very hard to get (but of course, it lags behind WoFF in other respects) Actually, as a french who played british / german for 10-15 years, because no other option was possible, the Breguet 14 is one of my main reason to play RoF. WoFF is best for german vs british single player Edited September 21, 2015 by jeanba Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Olham 164 Posted September 21, 2015 (edited) No, First Eagle 2 has a higher percentile than WoFF, if you include the 3rd party addons, though a-team addons may be very hard to get (but of course, it lags behind WoFF in other respects) Actually, as a french who played british / german for 10-15 years, because no other option was possible, the Breguet 14 is one of my main reason to play RoF. WoFF is best for german vs british single player Thanks for the info, jeanba - I never got "First Eagles", so I didn't know that. The OBD Devs announced only recently, that they have something in the works - who knows, it might be French 2-seaters? You are absolutely right, and they were requested many times. Personally, I would love to see the Caudron G.IV (for the earlier war, and for it's unique look) and the Breguet for later on. And I bet, the devs themselves want those planes in WOFF - so let us not loose hope. Edited September 21, 2015 by Olham Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jeanba 1,920 Posted September 21, 2015 The Caudron G4 (not "IV") would also drag my money, but there are a lot of important planes. Spads : 7 150 hp, 7 180 hp, 13 200 hp, 13 220 hp, 13 235 hp (we only have one "7", and one "13" Farman F40, F50 Caudron G3, G4, G6, Ar4, R11 Dorand Ar2 ... All those planes had a significant career in the french air force Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Olham 164 Posted September 21, 2015 The Caudron G4 (not "IV") would also drag my money, but there are a lot of important planes. Spads : 7 150 hp, 7 180 hp, 13 200 hp, 13 220 hp, 13 235 hp (we only have one "7", and one "13" Farman F40, F50 Caudron G3, G4, G6, Ar4, R11 Dorand Ar2 ... All those planes had a significant career in the french air force Not sure about the variety of the SPAD 7 and SPAD 13 - maybe WOFF already has differing power versions? You could check with LABELS on - there are several LABEL versions, one is "Identity" - one of them should show what type the aircraft is. I read that building an aircraft model with full functionality of all parts, incl. cockpit and gauges, takes 1 - 2 months. It must be a nervewrecking work, with constantly checking ingame, and changing and modifying. So I guess we could be happy, if we received 2 French two-seaters for a start. Which ones would you want to see first? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jeanba 1,920 Posted September 21, 2015 Not sure about the variety of the SPAD 7 and SPAD 13 - maybe WOFF already has differing power versions? You could check with LABELS on - there are several LABEL versions, one is "Identity" - one of them should show what type the aircraft is. I read that building an aircraft model with full functionality of all parts, incl. cockpit and gauges, takes 1 - 2 months. It must be a nervewrecking work, with constantly checking ingame, and changing and modifying. So I guess we could be happy, if we received 2 French two-seaters for a start. Which ones would you want to see first? Hello in OFF, we had the 150 hp spad 7 and the 200 hp spad 13, which were the earliest but most uncommon variants. For OFF, you can get the other variants, but I don't think it is the case for WoFF. Yes, it takes a long time to create a nice plane, whether in CFS3, or FE2 or whatever, and 1-2 months seems very short to me, but OBD knows better. Indeed the Caudron G4 would have my choice. For 2016, I would love to reproduce the Verdun Battle :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Olham 164 Posted September 21, 2015 (edited) Yes, it takes a long time to create a nice plane, whether in CFS3, or FE2 or whatever, and 1-2 months seems very short to me, but OBD knows better. Indeed the Caudron G4 would have my choice. Maybe I remember the time wrong. You seem to know about 3D model building? How long would you say it takes? If you are a 3D model builder - the OBD Team might welcome your help on French aircraft? Edited September 21, 2015 by Olham Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jeanba 1,920 Posted September 21, 2015 Maybe I remember the time wrong. You seem to know about 3D model building? How long would you say it takes? If you are a 3D model builder - the OBD Team might welcome your help on French aircraft? Not at all : I am more a FM / armament guy, but I am closely following in various sims 3D modelling (starting with SF2), so I know a little about those schedules Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Olham 164 Posted September 21, 2015 Maybe he said 4 months - is that more likely? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jeanba 1,920 Posted September 21, 2015 I absolutly don't know Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hellshade 110 Posted September 21, 2015 Not at all : I am more a FM / armament guy, but I am closely following in various sims 3D modelling (starting with SF2), so I know a little about those schedules Hi jeanba. If you are a FM guy, maybe you can make a mod to add a tiny bit of "roll" in the turbulence in WOFF. I'm not even sure if the CFS3 engine has a mechanism to make that happen, but I think it would add tremendously to the "feeling of flight" in WOFF if planes "rocked and tilted" a little when flying through heavy winds as opposed to just bouncing straight up and down. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jeanba 1,920 Posted September 21, 2015 I am not familiar enough with CFS3, let alone WoFF About Caudron G4 : http://www.checksix-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=436&t=185828 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
