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UllyB

Rafale wingmen won't use AHm missiles

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Happy new year to everyone!

Well I reached the Rafale's file and gave it a try. It is all wonderful except, AI wingmen won't use the AHM missiles. (I tried first MICA_EM and then the AMRAAM-C5). To check that AMRAAMs are ok I tried them with F-18 wingmen and they used it, firing it from far away, as it should be. I looked into MICA_EM file in weaponseditor but i didn't see anything suspicious. I looked into Rafale M's dataini file at its wings payload and everything looks fine. What am I doing wrong ?

PS - I must add that as IR missiles I use the British ASRAAM (ASRAAM AIM-132R) which are set to be fired from aprox 45km. Could that be the culprit ? meaning that AI wingmen is tricked and "think" that these are the long range missiles ? I was wondering that because the wingmen use the ASRAAM. Thank you in advance!

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I tried the plane with AHM only payload and they act as if they won't have them.(When targeting an enemy plane, I tell them to engage, they confirm it on radio but they don't throw their fuel tanks, they just make some break manouvres and then they return back into formation)

Did anyone tried the Rafale M into SF1 please ? Maybe sharing its behaviour would help me to discover the error. Thank you.

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Post the [DetectSystem] section from the data ini, then we can take a look :smile:

Sometimes a line or two are deleted by accident when copy/paste ops are done from other files.

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alright then, here you go:

[DetectSystem]
RadarName=Thales terrain-following RBE2 3D radar
RadarType=AIR_INTERCEPT
RadarAzimuthLimit=60
RadarElevationLimit=60
RadarSearchTime=1.0
RadarSearchRange=150
RadarSearchStrength=180
RadarTrackTime=4.0
RadarTrackRange=150
RadarTrackStrength=180
VisualBlindArc=
VisualRestrictedArc=6
MaxVisibleDistance=7200.0
DopplerLookdown=TRUE
HasRWR=TRUE

 

and this is the radar section of its avionics:

 

[TextureData]
RadarTexture=cockpit\Typhoon_radar.bmp
RadarAGTexture=cockpit\Typhoon_RadarPPI.BMP
RWRTexture=cockpit\Typhoon_rwr.bmp
EOTexture=cockpit\TVDisplay.bmp
RadarTextureSize=256

[RadarData]
AvailableModes=SEARCH,TWS,STT,ACM,GM,TV
RangeUnit=NM
RangeSetting[1]=10
RangeSetting[2]=20
RangeSetting[3]=40
RangeSetting[4]=80
RangeSetting[5]=150
RangeSetting[6]=200
RadarPosition=
MaxElevationAngle=60
MinElevationAngle=-60
MaxAzimuthAngle=60
MinAltitude=100.0
BoresightElevation=0.0
BoresightAzimuth=0.0
ACMMaxPitchAngle=50.0
MinReturn=0.01
MinimumSpeed=32.41
SearchRange=150
SearchStrength=180
TrackRange=150
TrackStrength=180
TWSUpdateTime=0.4
AcquisitionSymbolSpeed=0.5
AcquisitionResetPosX=0.0
AcquisitionResetPosY=0.0
AcquisitionResetTime=0.0
DisplayLimitLeft=20
DisplayLimitRight=235
DisplayLimitTop=20
DisplayLimitBottom=235

[RadarDisplaySearch]
RangeSetting=1,2,3,4,5,6
BarElevation[1]=1.50
BarElevation[2]=0.50
BarElevation[3]=-0.50
BarElevation[4]=-1.50
ScanRate=140
ScanBeamAngle=2.5
ScanArc=60
PPI=FALSE
Symbol[01]=RangeScaleText
Symbol[02]=ElevationCaret
Symbol[03]=AzimuthCaret
Symbol[04]=AcquisitionSymbol
Symbol[05]=TargetSearch

[RadarDisplayTWS]
RangeSetting=1,2,3,4,5,6
BarElevation[1]=0.75
BarElevation[2]=-0.75
ScanRate=100
ScanBeamAngle=2.5
ScanArc=30
PPI=FALSE
Symbol[01]=RangeScaleText
Symbol[02]=ElevationCaret
Symbol[03]=AzimuthCaret
Symbol[04]=TargetTWS
Symbol[05]=TargetTAS
Symbol[06]=TargetAspect
Symbol[07]=TargetHeading
Symbol[08]=TargetRangeCaret
Symbol[09]=TargetAltitude
Symbol[10]=TargetClosure
Symbol[11]=AimDot
Symbol[12]=ASECircle
Symbol[13]=ShootCueTWS
Symbol[14]=BreakX
Symbol[15]=RMinCaret
Symbol[16]=RMaxCaret
Symbol[17]=AcquisitionSymbol
Symbol[18]=TargetPDT
Symbol[19]=TargetRange
Symbol[20]=ASECircleAHM

[RadarDisplaySTT]
RangeSetting=1,2,3,4,5,6
ScanBeamAngle=2.5
PPI=FALSE
Symbol[01]=RangeScaleText
Symbol[02]=ElevationCaret
Symbol[03]=AzimuthCaret
Symbol[04]=TargetPDT
Symbol[05]=TargetTAS
Symbol[06]=TargetAspect
Symbol[07]=TargetHeading
Symbol[08]=TargetRangeCaret
Symbol[19]=TargetAltitude
Symbol[10]=TargetClosure
Symbol[11]=AimDot
Symbol[12]=ASECircle
Symbol[13]=ShootCueSTT
Symbol[14]=BreakX
Symbol[15]=RMinCaret
Symbol[16]=RMaxCaret
Symbol[17]=TargetRange
Symbol[18]=Radar_Mode_STT
Symbol[19]=ASECircleAHM

[RadarDisplayACM]
RangeSetting=1,2,3,4
ScanBeamAngle=2.5
//3.75bore
Symbol[01]=RangeScaleText
Symbol[02]=ElevationCaret
Symbol[03]=AzimuthCaret
Symbol[04]=VSdots

[RadarDisplayGM]
PPI=TRUE
RangeSetting=1,2,3,4,5
ScanRate=120
MapPPIArc=60
MapBackgroundLevel=0.2
MapHighlightLevel=0.8
MapNoiseLevel=0.1
Symbol[01]=PPI_SWEEP
Symbol[02]=HORIZON_LINE
Symbol[03]=RangeScaleText

 

One thing though. When I opened the first time its avionics file, in the [radardata] section, in available radar mods there was a "Acquisition" line in amidst other present, but I know that this kind of syntax is for avionics60.dll planes (old). I checked the ini file and the Rafale uses the avionics70.dll, at least that is what is there written. When I removed the "acquisition" word i thought that this would do the trick but , no, it didn't. Thank you for offering help! I would appreciate any hint or guide thread.

 

As i noticed, rafale uses the Eurofighter "infrastructure" (the ini file let that to be seen), so I guess the same issue would be present in Eurofighter, too. Though I didin't tested , yet , the Eurofighter, so I don't know it  for sure or...who knows, maybe it's the other way around.( the author discovered the mistake and solved it in Eurofighter)

Edited by UllyB

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UPDATE

 

I deleted Rafale's original avionics,.ini and cockpit.ini files and the cockpit itself and replaced them with F-18's ones and ...it worked. So the culprit is Rafale's avionics file for sure, something there, some lines are missing or they are miswritten, but I can't figure which ones. I look at them , I compare them with F-18's and I don't see the differences.

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I figured it out what those extra lines were. They are for compatibility reason, some sort, they resemble with the ones from avionics.ini files for avionics60.dll ones. I isolated them but still doesn't work.

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Your original [Detectsystem] section is missing one important line:

RangeUnit=NM

Its usually the 3rd line , below RadarType, or the 4th with the new RadarFamilyType line being 3rd

The AI uses only the DetectSystem defined radar, all the stuff in the avionics ini is player-only.

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