"Generic" nation ?

[UllyB]

Accidentally, I encountered this in a F-100 ini file:

[TextureSet004]
Directory=GenericSilver1
Name=Generic Silver
Nation=Generic
StartDefaultDate=1
Specular=1.000000
Glossiness=0.500000
Reflection=0.800000
DecalNumberRandomize=TRUE

What is the purpose of a generic nation in SF2 series ? Also in a generated single player mission on Baltic Rim map suddenly appeared a Finnish MIG-21N and it's not mine. I looked into MIG stock planes, MIG-21N is not among them. Does have any connection with generic nation ? Did anyone encountered that ?

[+Gepard]

The setting "Generic" means, that this plane, vehicle, ship, Flak or SAM system is available for both sides (red and blue).

[UllyB]

I see...However still is confusion for me because in the same folder are planes that shares it which are not for that map (for example middle east nations while the map chosen for experiment was Baltic Rim with limited nations from around).Further more, there are no lines into some ini files about generic nation and still the plane appears for the ...other side, but incorrect (for instance MIG-21 with Finland emblems but with arab numbers and desert camo LOL, this Syrian MIG being the only one in the folder where game engine takes it from)

What would happen if I would delete the generic planes entries in ini files and the generic declaration in Nations.ini ?

Edited March 30, 2021 by UllyB

[+Gepard]

14 hours ago, UllyB said:

What would happen if I would delete the generic planes entries in ini files and the generic declaration in Nations.ini ?

The answer is simply: Try it. But make a backup of the file before you do it.

BTW, the MiG-21N you mentioned is a moded plane? Perhaps it is a mod of the first generation WoX world. Such planes can cause the problem you descriped.

Edited March 30, 2021 by Gepard

[UllyB]

41 minutes ago, Gepard said:

The answer is simply: Try it. But make a backup of the file before you do it.

BTW, the MiG-21N you mentioned is a moded plane? Perhaps it is a mod of the first generation WoX world. Such planes can cause the problem you descriped.

Nope, it isn't. It's a stock plane. In fact I quoted it wrong, it was a Mig-21Bis2 which, in game , is shown as MIG-21bis Fishbed-N. The other one was a MIG-21F13 (in folder is MIG-21F, even if they are not the same as historical models but that's another story).The coincidence is that Finland indeed used those two models ONLY, Mig-21bis Fishbed N and the MIG-21F13. Funny thing is that , except these two models, no other MIG is substituted for a Finnish plane in the generated single player theater...Odd! The MIG-21bis Fishbed-N appears with correct Finnish markings and even paintjob (that pistache green), but the other one has tiger/desert camo, Finnish emblems and arab numbers. In both folders there is no GENERIC plane declared as in some others MIG folders. So , theoretical, they shouldn't even been generated by game's engine. Again...odd. I need an explanation for what is happening in order to understand what is going on here. I didn't bring ANY other modded MIG into the game so far (they are all stock's), so it's not a third party effect. One has to admit that is odd what is going on here...

The only rational explanation would be that in a CAT there are these two Finnish models and somehow the game's engines brings them there, in those generated single player missions which are in the Baltic Rim theater where I add it as friendly, the FINLAND, in nations.ini file, as limited nation. I know is far fetched but I don't have any other explanation for what I encountered.

Edited March 30, 2021 by UllyB

[+Gepard]

The MiG-21bis Fishbed N came with SF2 Israel. The folder is MiG-21bisB. It has as stock camo only a syrian camo. What explain why you get a tiger camouflaged MiG-21bis when the game engine is using that plane for Single Missions. Its the only available stock skin.

The MiG-21F. The user list show that Finland is using that bird from 1963 to 1986. there is no stock skin available for a finish MiG-21F-13. So the game engine takes the first skin in the line, which is a silver soviet skin.

The problem should be cured when a finish skin folder is created, with skins and a proper textureset.ini.

Edited March 30, 2021 by Gepard

[UllyB]

Oh , you are right. Silly me I forgot about userlist.ini files. How stupid I am! I should've thought about it in the first place. I simply dismissed it from my mind when I thought the problem. Now it's clear to me, thank you for clearing this up for me Michael.

I came up with a temporary solution until I catch up with all plane folders to mod and reconstruct, I invalidated the lines for Finland in those two userlist.ini files.

Edited March 31, 2021 by UllyB