Dave63

That seems to be the norm for all but the most ardent admirers. Once you get over the oooh factor, the lack of anything resembling a campaign and the other issues, seem to be putting the lid all but the hardcore on-liners. The chorus is starting to rise "demanding" the SU-26 that was supposed to be included (why?). Too much drama! I think I'll wait a year for it to be fixed.

Nope. Starts here at 0400. I'll get up at 0500 to get ready for work anyway, but I don't plan to tune in. I'll watch the highlights (over and over and over and over) later.

In your realism settings, have you selected separate engine management (I can't recall exactly what it's called), by chance? You have gone all the way down to the bottom of the control assignments to the Hotas section and assigned the axis to throttle? If it's not one of those two, I'm out of airspeed and ideas!

For what I paid for it, I'm not complaining about anything! If I don't care about 2 seaters, which I don't other than to use as targets, I don't have to buy them to see the AI and other players use them. I really like that part.

That depends on what you define as must haves. For example there are fixes for AA so they don't see and shoot through clouds. There are fixes so the AI rear turret gunners are no longer deadly snipers that will hit you in the eye at 800 meters. If those are must haves, then yes! Most add ons, other than some of the effects packages, are not graphic intensive, IMO. UP gives you the option of loading up 4.10.1m as an option anyway. I have separate installs for HSFX, UP, Stock (sort of) and Histomod, but that's just in case I mess something up so I don't bork a HUGE install! Plus I got a big hard drive!

yes, pardon my dyslexic fingers, it is indeed 4.10.1M!

I read on the RoF Forums that it should work!

That is pretty much my experience, so far. It's still quite nice on medium!

That is the only read me that's been posted so far. It was to be considered a beta. It may still be included. If not, very simple to install!

Here ya go! From the new UP read me: Flyables Jets F-86A-5 Sabre, 1949 F-86E-10 Sabre, 1952 F-86F-25 Sabre, 1953 F-86F-25 Sabre (6-3 Wing), 1953 F-86F-30 Sabre, 1953 F-86F-40 Sabre, 1954 F-86K Sabre Dog, 1955 CA-27 Sabre Mk31, 1954CA-27 Sabre Mk32, 1955 FJ-3M Fury, 1956 MiG-15(bis), 1950 MiG-15(bis), 195 MiG-15SB Fagot, 1952 MiG-17A Fresco A, 1952 MiG-17F Fresco-C, 1953 MiG-17AS Fresco (Multi-Role), 1955 MiG-17PF Fresco-D/E, 1956 Messerschmitt Me-262 Ultimate Pack Improved 3d, LODS and weapons loadouts and new slot variant: Me-262V-3 Me-262A-1a Me-262A-1aU4 Me-262A-2a Me262NJ Me-262HG-II Me-262B-1a NachJaeger Ar-234B Nachtjaeger Boeing KB-29P & Republic F-84G ThunderJet Grumman F9F2 Panther F-80 A & C ShootingStars Single Enine Bf-109 Ultimate Pack v3.1 Features - Covers entire range of 109s from E to Z (N.B. Jabos and Trops combined into parent slot) Emil: E-1, E-3, E-4, E-4/B, E-4/N, E-7/B, E-7/Z, E-7/N Fredrich: F-0, F-1, F-2, F-2/U Galland, F-3, F-4, F-4 1.3ata, F-4/Z Gustav: G-1, G-2, G-3, G-4, G-5, G-5/AS, G-6, G-6 1.3ata, G-6 Erla, G-6 Tall Tail, G-6 late, G-6/AS, G-14/AS, G-14, G-10, G-10C3, G-10 Erla Kurfurst: K-4, K-4C3, K-6, K-14 Other: Z - Historically correct weapon loadouts, markings and models - Historically correct FM and performance on new 109s - Compatible exclusively with Der Wurstenfuch's Combined Cockpits v4 (not tested as of yet with default HSFX) - Accurate 3D for all models - New LOD1 shadows for all - Opening canopies, which are affect FM when open in flight - Dynamic and working Trop Filters - New 'All Holes Solved' Plus mod (for all 109s) SAS Spitfire Pack - MkI early, Mk I, MkIb, MkIIa, MkIIb & MkVa (v3.0 for 4.10m) Features: - All early model Spitfires now in one convenient pack - New 3D model for Spitfire Mk II - Sliding canopy, with taxi view - Non sequential plane in squadron fuselage codes - Individually adjusted flight models - Wing cannon jamming on MkIb - Manually retracting undercarriage on Mk I early SAS Hurricane Pack v2.1 *4.09m & 4.101m* Features - Covers entire range of Hurricanes Mk I: I early with Watts 2-blade prop, Ia 12lbs boost with Rotol prop Mk II: IIa, IIb with added bomber and VVS loadouts, IIb VVS Field Modded, IIc with bomber and VVS loadouts, IID Later/Other: Mk IV, Sea Hurricane Mk Ib, Sea Hurricane Mk IIc - Historically correct weapon loadouts, markings and models - Historically correct FM and performance, including new FMs for Trop models - Accurate 3D for all models, including remapped trop filters - Opening canopies - Accurate default skins plus a large selection of additional paintschemes included (more to come soon from FriendlyFlyer) Supermarine Seafire F. Mk XV AMT - Spitfire L.F. Mk.XVIe Pack Version 2.1 for 4.101m Features * Represents the Spitfire L.F. Mk.XVIe variants with bubbletop * Sliding Canopy (Do not exceed 250kmh TAS when open) * New 3D for nose, canopy and fuselage * Custom Flight Models * Dynamic Centre of Gravity * Historically Accurate loadouts Griffon Spitfires SPITXIIearly SpitfireMkXII SpitfireMkXIVC SpitfireMkLFXIVE Tempest Mk.II Gladiators & Sea Gladiator Fairey Battle MkII Tiger Moth TyphoonMkIB TyphoonMkIBLate TempestMkV11Lbs TempestMkV13Lbs Miles Magister M14A SeaFury MkI SeaFury MkX A6M Pack v2011.01.01b This currently replaces ALL the stock variants with JapanCat's new ones including New Historical Type99-1 and Type99-2 20mm cannon for the Imperial Japanese planes that replace the wrong Ho-5s of the Army Air force. A6M2b ZERO21 Ki-44 Shoki N1K1 Rex SAS Bf109 B, C & D Pack Bf-109B-1 Bf-109B-2 Bf-109C-1 Bf-109D-1 Bf-109D-1Late Ju 87 pack Ju 87D-1 Ju 87D-3 with Jumo 211J Ju 87D-5 with Jumo 211J Ju 87D-7 Ju 87D-8 All 87D with WB 81A & B (drei MG-81Z), WB 20 (zwei MG-FF). For all 87D the aircraft empty weight 3700 kg +. Ju 87G-1 armor on external models Fw190 D-11 Fw190 D-13 Fw190 A-2 Fw190 A-3 Fw190 A-7 Fw190 A-7 Sturm Fw190 A-5 U14 Torpedo Bomber Hs-123 AVIA S-199 He45C He51C1 Skyraiders P-47B-15 Stinson L-5 Sentinel T-6 Texan SNJ-5 F4FM-2 (Replaces Stock) P-26 Peashooter PZL-23B PZL-42 RWD-10 P-11F I.A.R RWD-8 Morane-Saulnier 502 "Criquet" CR-32 Polikarpov R-5 Flyable MiG-3 16 series MiG-3 19 series (in the game designated as the UD) MiG-3 27 series (2xUBS) (in the game designated as 2xUB) MiG-3 34 series (2xShVAK) MiG-3 AM-38 These also replaces the Stock models as they are more detailed. U-2 Pack: U-2NB, nightbomber variant, two seated , dual controls. U-2UT , trainer version U-2VS with SHKAS mounted in rear U-2VS , standard stock game version (already in your game) but now with cockpit and gunner position, improved 3d model, improved default skin LaGG3-1 Series Su-26 I-16 UTI 4 Yak-7UTI Yak-7V I-16 Complete Pack I-16type10WC I-16type10 I-16type17 I-16type18-BS I-16type24 I-16type27 I-16type28 I-16type29 I-15-M22 I-15-M25 Twin-Engine He-219 UHU P-38E P-38F-1-LO P-38G-5-LO P-38G-10-LO P-38G-15-LO P-38H-5-LO P-38J-10-LO P-38J-15-LO P-38J-25-LO P-38L-5-LO Bf-110C-1 Bf-110C-7 Bf-110D-3 Bf-110E-1 Bf-110F-2 Me 410-A Me 410-B Me 410-D BeaufighterMkX BeaufighterMkI BeaufighterMkIF Mk1F nightfighter By SAS~ CirX, fixes by Malone. Bf 110 G-4 NachtJaeger. P-38M Night Fighter Me 410-D Nachtjager He-111P-2 Vickers Wellington Ju-88C-6 Day Fighter Ju-88C-6NJ NachJaeger Blenheim MkIVF A-20 Boston MkIII A-20 Boston MkIII Strafer Mosquito FB MkVI Coastal Command Mosquito B Mk16 Mosquito TseTse Mosquito Night Fighter Mk II A-20DB-7 Boston MkII, 1940 G4M2e Betty (replaces Stock One.) Pe-2 series-32 Pe-2 series-206 Pe-3 field mod Pe-3bis serial He-111 H-21 Heavies Avro Lancaster Halifax Ju-52/3mg3e Ju-52/3mg4e Ju-52/3mg5e Seaplanes L-5 Sentinel floatplane. PBN Nomad & PBY Catalina Former AI Planes made flyable: P-36A-3 P-36A-4 Fi-156 U-2VS Me-210Ca-1 Me-210Ca-1ZSTR Hs-129B-2 Hs-129B-3 MS406 MS410 MS-Morko N1K1-J N1K1-Ja A5M4 AR-196A3 B17D B17E B17F B17G B24J-100-CF B25C25 B25G1 B25H1 B29 B5N2-KATE B6N2-JILL BF-110-C4 BF-110-C4B BLENHEIM-1 BLENHEIM-4 C-47 DB-3B DB-3F DB-3M DB-3T FW-189_A-2 FW-200-C3U4 G11 G4M2E_and_MXY-7 Gladiator_Mk1 Gladiator_MkII H8K1 IL4 Ju-52-3mg KI-21-I-Sally KI-21-II-Sally Ki-46-Otsu Ki-46-OtsuHei Ki-46-Recce L2D LI2 MACCHI-200 MACCHI-200-7 MACCHI-200-7FB MBR-2AM34 ME-321 ME-323 Mosquito_MkIV Neman_R-10 PE8 SB_2M-100A SB_2M-103 SU_2 TU_2S U2VS Later Aircraft Additions: B29 Silverplate Spitfire MKI Spitfire XII Spitfire XIV’s Hurricane Mk IID Mosquito XIV

Unless they change it in the new 3.0 version, yes. The 2.01 version has HSFX 4.0. The newest HSFX version is 5.0.

Got it working OK with RoF Boost. D/Led and installed. Now to perfect my ground impacts...

To answer your questions: 1. All inclusive and handled together. 2. Online is still quite strong, but down since CloD has been introduced. 3. No community Wiki AFIK. Somewhere, I'm sure there's a comprehensive list of all the A/C in game. Mission builder is considered on of the best in the business and there is a web site devoted to mission and campaign building with step by step tutorials. Yes, you can position everything. 4. I'm pretty sure the answer is yes and you don't have to d/l the skin. I think it's automatic. Hope that helps. Get the basic game installed and running before you get UP or any other mods.

I was thinking about buying the ICE edition, so I downloaded the demo. It looks good. Even turned down it looks good. It flies OK. If sampled the Spad and Albie. The Spad is like trying to have a fight while looking through the book case at the public library. It's a bitch to shoot anything down. It runs like ass on my dual core system. I plan on spending an hour or so tweaking and trying the various fixes and if that doesn't do the trick, no sale. I will look at FE2 or OFF3...

Good news! Not all doom and gloom, so far.

They seem to be on the road to getting the FPS and stutters fixed. Now if they can just get the campaign fixed and make it so you can climb to altitude...

So, it's better, but still not really "fixed" since the BoB didn't take place exclusively over the channel. But on the upside we have some nice videos of a tank battle taking place!

So I hear! It is good news that most folks report nice gains. It may actually work now! Amazing that in a couple of weeks they can improve a product that was so obviously broken after all that development time. I'm still uncertain as to whether it will even run for me, so I'm on the fence, still.

Don't remember about perfect water and ATI, but that sounds right. I only did it once to say I did it, but now I've got an ATI. Unless they've changed their minds, UP will contain HSFX, too. So it's a single download.

The new 3.0 UP is due out any minute for 4101, also. The massive Readme is up at the UP site.

You guys don't realize how nice it is to be able to discuss this, warts and all without having to deal with the melodramatic crap...

Yes. Right now they are primarily focused on exterior lighting effects, but they and the UP guys seem fairly optimistic that it can be either developed or "ported over" so to speak. Quote "Shadowing can work in IL2, in all cockpits with not bad results. The only thing that needs to be done is to enable the shadowing in IL2's engine. The feature IS there, it just needs someone that knows-how to Enable it. Once someone enable it, we will all have a nice surprise ;) A positive one. And i know exactly what i am talking about ;)"

SAS are working on it, amongst other mod groups. There's some optimism that I can get done.

As I understand it, it consists of a series of scripted missions (16?) that culminate with you having to shoot down a "traitor" as he tries to escape in a Spit with a girl in his lap...You have got to be s**tting me We waited seven years for this?