charlielima

I thought I was eclectic with my choice of SPADS or thuds. CL

OK group this is what I have now to take ChampionsVA56s splendid "King of the Sea" feet dry as an AP-2H of VAH-21. Avionics: Ground search radar, terrain avoidance from Monty CZs A6A / A6B. LLTV from Daves(?) B-52s. Guns: 2x20mm M39s from Capuns B-47, used same location from the B-47. Looks wrong with MAD stinger but quite effective as planners planned 2x40mm M129s, the closest match I could find. I used gun locations from column 5 A-4s. This weapon was pointed down in real world but I didn't change that because I'm still trying to figure out how to change the gunsight and shooting angle. Way beyond my simple abilitys. Bombay: Deleted. Ammo quantity for grenade launchers and tail guns adjusted to reflect the payload for this location. Weapons Pylons: Selection increased for variety. I didn't increase the max weapon wieght. One can get greedy and make the plane way more capable then the actual AP-2H tho but I gave all y'all a head start here. Added TERs for a couple pylons for faster loading / easy counter balancing a 20mm gunpod. Added IRM to one pylon as a place holder so if you get a 4 or 8 ship flight you can tack on some FJ, A-4s,or F-8s for some organic fighter cover with sidewinders. The F-8s don't seem to mind flying in formation at 250 kts with the P-2V. Unable to use SU-11 gunpods. Chaff and Flares: Added the Decoy launcher from Wrench that he coached me into placing in my Razbam SPAD. I didn't change the location it looks right. I have no knowledge if AP-2Hs had these. ECM: Copied and pasted from Monty CZs AC-119 Stinger. I have no knowledge if AP-2Hs had ECM but this seemed to make sense to me. Range: Shortened so you don't have to fly all the way from the gulf of Siam to go play with charley. Capability or role: No change yet but I'm tempted to change to AircraftCapability=NIGHT_ONLY I am not a modder but this is what I hacked together. I hope to see a "visual model" of the AP-2H for WOV / SF. It looks quit striking in its night cami warpaint and the green OP-2Es look nice too. Hmm? AP-2Hs for Dhimar, US Army or CIA? Feedback please. V/R, CL

The Wedge By Dick Dale and his Del tones CL

Dam It! No clue. I thought I knew everything because I wone the C-123 Quiz question. CL

ok this is what I have so far: the weapon data: [WeaponData901] TypeName=SUU11B FullName=SUU-11B/A Gun Pod ModelName=suu11 Mass=170.000000 Diameter=0.300000 Length=2.150000 SubsonicDragCoeff=0.200000 SupersonicDragCoeff=0.770000 AttachmentType=USAF,USN SpecificStationCode= NationName=USAF,USN StartYear=1963 EndYear=1975 Availability=2 BaseQuantity=24 Exported=TRUE ExportStartYear=1963 ExportEndYear=1975 ExportAvailability=3 WeaponDataType=3 GunTypeName=7.62MM_M134 MaxRounds=1500 MuzzlePosition=0.000000,1.000000,0.000000 LightPosition=0.000000,1.150000,0.000000 AimDirection=0.000000,1.000000,0.000000 EjectShells=1 EjectPosition=0.000000,-0.550000,-0.100000 EjectVelocity=0.000000,0.000000,-2.000000 The pylon: [Pilon04] SystemType=WEAPON_STATION StationID=5 StationGroupID=6 StationType=EXTERNAL AttachmentPosition=-7.75,1.135,0.47 AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,0.0 LoadLimit=1000 AllowedWeaponClass=BOMB,CGR,EOGB,GP FuelTankName= AttachmentType=USN,USAF ModelNodeName=Pilon04 PylonMass=42.62 PylonDragArea=0.04 MinExtentPosition=-7.801,1.635,0.477 MaxExtentPosition=-7.701,0.635,0.803 Thanks ancient one. CL

I have a similar problem. I added GP to the weopons pylons of the P2V-7. It will take any gunpod but the SUU-11 unless i change the aircraft nation to USAF. Here is the weopndata: TypeName=SUU11B FullName=SUU-11B/A Gun Pod ModelName=suu11 Mass=170.000000 Diameter=0.300000 Length=2.150000 SubsonicDragCoeff=0.200000 SupersonicDragCoeff=0.770000 AttachmentType=NATO,USAF SpecificStationCode= NationName=USAF StartYear=1963 EndYear=1975 Availability=2 BaseQuantity=24 Exported=FALSE ExportStartYear=0 ExportEndYear=0 ExportAvailability=0 WeaponDataType=3 GunTypeName=7.62MM_M134 MaxRounds=1500 MuzzlePosition=0.000000,1.000000,0.000000 LightPosition=0.000000,1.150000,0.000000 AimDirection=0.000000,1.000000,0.000000 EjectShells=1 EjectPosition=0.000000,-0.550000,-0.100000 EjectVelocity=0.000000,0.000000,-2.000000 I changed the nation,attachement and exportability but still no joy. Would attaching it as an internal gun on the 2 inboard pylons do it? Thanks group. CL

Is this a break from the Doc Martens and fishnets? CL

Perhaps not as entertaining but: V/R all, CL

Hey Nico welcome aboard. Strap on a Skyraider so you can get some SA on what it is like to be the slower but more maneuverable guy in a gun fight. That and once you kill a jet in a piston slapper your life will be awesome. CL

Does this answer the why? Next question please. CL

I do not like A2A. I have to pickle my nape, snakeyes, zunis and CBUs. That makes me sad. We also have to try to get that Mig stencil from those 2 VF squadrons that won't even swap movies with us. Shooting the guns at anything that moves turns my screws tho. CL

Sugar! Can you believe this Bravo Sierra? http://www.youngfrankensteinthemusical.com/ How the hell the F word can you do a play in back and white? CL

A COIN Jug for the SEA conflict would work. In one of my Skyraider books a pilot from the 1st Air Commandos stated that the P-47 would be a better plane for what they where doing. I don't get it tho. No dive brakes, Less hardpoints. I'd Download and drive one. Who here doesn't like Jugs anyway? :ph34r: CL

Works like a champ on soft skin vehicles. Unfortunatly It's nation is USN, 1969 to 1970, and is classed as either a CGR, EOGR,or EOGB. I'd mess with the data ini but I still wouldn't be able to use it on A1Es, SPADS,(A)P2Vs or B-26Ks without frequent nation changes to the weapon or AC ini. Bitchin weapon tho. Alot less stress then trying to line up on a truck column with CBUs, Nape, and the miniguns and grenade launchers at night and Uncle Hos young gentleman are up hunting for piston slappers. Any body know how to mess with a weapons data nation so we could use them for multiple US branches. Sidearms on a Black Pony? Hmmm........ The AGM-87 Focus on an armed recon flight? You bet! CL

Are Pappy, Tracker, and Champions working on this. http://www.vah21.org/trimhist.html I've been flying the snot out of thier P2V-7 with a modified data ini for the weapon load and having a grand time if I don't get bounced by MIGs. The bird definatly needs the twin 20mm in the tail and the 40mm grenade launcher in the bay. CL

This is what I have now. I scrapped in the 2 X 20MM tail gun from Capun and Russo's B-47, cut and pasted in 2 X 40mm grenade launchers as internal guns, deleted the bombay group so I could have more weapon groups but that was where they put the grenade launchers anyway. It still needs LLTV, Flares, Chaff and a visual model that matches the armament. The muzzle flash from the tail gun doesn't come anywhere out of the MAD stinger or even the airplane. Still tho, give this new ini a try. Mount your SUU-11s on the inboard wing racks, group 6, season the other wing racks to taste with CBUs, Nape, Snakeyes or even a Bullpup or Walleye. Rolling in on a truck coloumn in the dead of night with the 2(or more)miniguns and grenade launchers barking is like nothing else I've done in WOV.Its pretty wicked on radar sights too. CL

Cheese & Rice! Again? OK. P5M Marlin. Last operational US Navy Seaplane. Used during Market Time in the South East Asia Conflict. Cool Vid @:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiFDpYdr0qE&feature=related I always wondered why the ramp and hangers at my squadrons place at North Island looked like it was built for seaplanes. AD-5N Skyraider. Yah the A-1E airframe but the USN and USMC flew it with 1 Pilot and 2 enlisted Naval Aircrewmen. I'm sure there is some other wicked data mods too that a gull grey or midnight blue paint won't make it as complete as this gruppe can. HU-16B Albatross The US Air Force would patrol these on station feet wet over the Tonkin Gulf escorted by SPADS,US Navy Skyaiders. Willy Victor WV or EC-121. College Eye. Very interesting that 7 times out of 10 When I meet another old Navel Aircrewmen they flew in these. T-28D Trojan: Yup Capun Has one. But Its a Beta. A Mirage Factory quality example would be splendid. I'm bumping out. I'm going to watch some more of those bitchin' P5M Vids. CL

A P2V-7 with mad stinger and guppy radome was used to develop the AP-2H. On that note I tweeked the data and avionics on "my" P2V-7 so it has ECM, terrain avoidance radar, and more weapons choices. for the pylons I didn't mess with the load weight. Still no 2 X 20 Mike Mike in the tail or the grenade launcher in the bay. I haven't installed any AN/ALE-29A chaff and flare dispensers. Perhaps Wrench can give us good locations for some. These files are what I go feet dry in my Neptune with: At least you can make the napalm / snakeye bomb salad now. I'm still dreaming about these accessories: CL

What a load of Bull S&!T. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,576646,00.html CL

Hear Hear AO1! I was just a bit concerned this morning that I might get recalled to active duty for using my fists behind the line shack in an old school leadership session for assault and battery and worse for dereliction of duty when directed to do so and I solved the problem at the PO Club with a couple drafts. Oh thats right those where only American Sailors. CL

That sounds like some interesting chow. Perhaps if I can ever pull away from grazing in tide pools and other low tide treats I'd like to try some of those. CL

Welcome Aboard! CL

Bitchin! Good choice for pilots.The Spotlight Rocks. Impatient for a VAH-21 AP-2H so I did this for the pylons on "my" Neptune: [Pilon01] SystemType=WEAPON_STATION StationID=2 StationGroupID=2 StationType=EXTERNAL AttachmentPosition=-8.87,1.135,0.58 AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,0.0 LoadLimit=1000.0 AllowedWeaponClass=RP,RCKT,CGR,BOMB FuelTankName= AttachmentType=USN,NATO ModelNodeName=Pilon01 PylonMass=42.62 PylonDragArea=0.04 MinExtentPosition=-8.924,1.635,0.587 MaxExtentPosition=-8.824,0.635,0.913 [Pilon02] SystemType=WEAPON_STATION StationID=3 StationGroupID=3 StationType=EXTERNAL AttachmentPosition=-8.52,1.135,0.55 AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,0.0 LoadLimit=1000.0 AllowedWeaponClass=RP,RCKT,BOMB,GP FuelTankName= AttachmentType=USN,NATO ModelNodeName=Pilon02 PylonMass=42.62 PylonDragArea=0.04 MinExtentPosition=-8.57,1.635,0.552 MaxExtentPosition=-8.47,0.635,0.8.78 [Pilon03] SystemType=WEAPON_STATION StationID=4 StationGroupID=2 StationType=EXTERNAL AttachmentPosition=-8.151,1.135,0.51 AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,0.0 LoadLimit=1000 AllowedWeaponClass=RP,RCKT,CGR,BOMB FuelTankName= AttachmentType=USN,NATO ModelNodeName=Pilon03 PylonMass=42.62 PylonDragArea=0.04 MinExtentPosition=-8.201,1.635,0.516 MaxExtentPosition=-8.101,0.635,0.842 [Pilon04] SystemType=WEAPON_STATION StationID=5 StationGroupID=5 StationType=EXTERNAL AttachmentPosition=-7.75,1.135,0.47 AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,0.0 LoadLimit=1000 AllowedWeaponClass=RP,RCKT,BOMB,GP FuelTankName= AttachmentType=USN,NATO ModelNodeName=Pilon04 PylonMass=42.62 PylonDragArea=0.04 MinExtentPosition=-7.801,1.635,0.477 MaxExtentPosition=-7.701,0.635,0.803 [Pilon05] SystemType=WEAPON_STATION StationID=6 StationGroupID=2 StationType=EXTERNAL AttachmentPosition=8.87,1.135,0.58 AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,0.0 LoadLimit=1000 AllowedWeaponClass=RP,RCKT,CGR,BOMB FuelTankName= AttachmentType=USN,NATO ModelNodeName=Pilon05 PylonMass=42.62 PylonDragArea=0.04 MinExtentPosition=8.924,1.635,0.587 MaxExtentPosition=8.824,0.635,0.913 [Pilon06] SystemType=WEAPON_STATION StationID=7 StationGroupID=3 StationType=EXTERNAL AttachmentPosition=8.52,1.135,0.55 AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,0.0 LoadLimit=1000 AllowedWeaponClass=RP,RCKT,BOMB,GP FuelTankName= AttachmentType=USN,NATO ModelNodeName=Pilon06 PylonMass=42.62 PylonDragArea=0.04 MinExtentPosition=-8.57,1.635,0.552 MaxExtentPosition=-8.47,0.635,0.8.78 [Pilon07] SystemType=WEAPON_STATION StationID=8 StationGroupID=2 StationType=EXTERNAL AttachmentPosition=8.15,1.135,0.51 AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,0.0 LoadLimit=1000 AllowedWeaponClass=RP,RCKT,CGR,BOMB FuelTankName= AttachmentType=USN,NATO ModelNodeName=Pilon07 PylonMass=42.62 PylonDragArea=0.04 MinExtentPosition=-8.201,1.635,0.516 MaxExtentPosition=-8.101,0.635,0.842 [Pilon08] SystemType=WEAPON_STATION StationID=9 StationGroupID=6 StationType=EXTERNAL AttachmentPosition=7.75,1.135,0.47 AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,0.0 LoadLimit=1000 AllowedWeaponClass=RP,RCKT,BOMB,GP,EP FuelTankName= AttachmentType=USN,NATO ModelNodeName=Pilon08 PylonMass=42.62 PylonDragArea=0.04 MinExtentPosition=-7.801,1.635,0.477 MaxExtentPosition=-7.701,0.635,0.803 This allows the use of gun pods and an ECM pod. Thanks for the Neptune M8. CL

They were returning to Susanville from Reno after delivering thier patient. Pilot, Nurse, and Paramagic confirmed dead. My roomatate has that total 911 / code 3 stuff in his genes so I heard alot of the post crash radio traffic on his scanner. http://www.rgj.com/article/20091114/NEWS/91114009 Be safe group. CL