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Ummmm....nah!

Remember the "Badger" video, Wrench? "Mushroom! Mushroom!"

Well, now, that's a clear and civil response. Let me clear the air on my side, Gunrunner, by providing some background. Kreelin and I once released an FM (the MiG-21F13), that was based on accurate data, It was so close in fact, that its takeoff speed was exactly on the mark, and its turn rate and max sustainable G at altitude was within a few percentage points of the real thing. This model was based on data provided by the USAF on a "borrowed" F13 that was tested during the course of the "Have Dough nut" evaluation. Anyway, when we released the FM, a gent PM'ed me regarding its tendency to feel nose heavy at cruise speed (approx Mach .9). I explained that (assuming that the SF flight engine was correct, and the flight dynamics were close enough to take advantage of the flight engine) this may be a result of a phenomenon known as "Mach tuck", that effects delta wing aircraft. I promised that we'd look into,just in case it was an issue regarding Xmac or wing and tail plane CL0 and CLa values. To make a long story short, this gent suggested moving the CG position back, and said that he'd release an FM with that correction. His FM was terrible, of course, as the model bounced around on the ground like a kangaroo on amphetamines. And, it was still "nose heavy" at Mach .9. Now, Kreelin and I both spent a cumulative total of several hundred hours on this FM, and while my qualifications may be called into question, in my opinion, Kreelin had forgotten more about aerodynamics than this gent will ever know. So I was of course, more than just a wee bit miffed. When I attempted to explain to this person that the CGvalue was meant mostly for the model's behavior when on its landing gear, he became more than just a bit unreasonable. In short, I just don't like when people provide misleading information to potential newbies. The reason is that I'm often the poor dumb SOB that has to clean up the mess, afterwards.

That's because you're missing the "GSH" sound file that MiG-29 (and Su-27 & Yak-41) use. Drop the attached file into your sounds folder

I felt honored and privileged to be among those fortunate enough to be assigned to the fleet aviation arm's first Yakovlev 141M squadron. What a beast! It is, in many regards, far superior to NATO's Harrier, and will not be taken lightly by the opposition (as was the Yakovlev 38). While on our first operational cruise, we were tasked with providing support for our Parani allies. As a show of strength and socialist solidarity, we patrolled along the Parani border airspace, daring the imperialists to come within range of our advanced R-73 rockets. They would not come up to play, cowardly dogs that they are...or so we thought. We were on the last leg of our patrol, and our GCI and AWACs Tupolev reported that they had zero contacts on their radars. This was all too easy. Suddenly, comrade Captain Marchenko reported a strange "tingle" on his radar warning gear. It was far too weak to be a radar source, but it came and went at steady intervals, as if someone were probing for us with some strange and clever piece of electronic gear. We reported this to our controller, and were quickly ordered to investigate, as the bearing showed that the source was behind us, in Parani airspace. Just as we completed our turn, I caught the sun glinting off a canopy...and there it was! I stood my aircraft on its tail, pushed the throttles well past the reheat detent, and selected an R-73. What's this? No lock tone! I quickly switched to my other R-73, and it too, failed to lock. Despite the reassuring sound of the seeker head searching for a target, it failed to acquire the target. My wingman Nico, warned me that another of the strange aircraft had positioned itself on my six o'clock, and he too, could not acquire infrared lock tone, nor even see it on his radar, for that matter! Taking a cue from this, I immediately selected my gun, and much to my dismay, the gun radar would not track, either. I was astounded.. My reverie was broken by the air group commander on our ship, who ordered us not to engage. I broke off, and then saw the aircraft that had been sitting behind, pass by my starboard side... What manner of sorcery is this?

Pitch-linked thrust only works with forward (downward) stick displacement. The actual thrust vector (not just the effect), can be set to work at a negative pitch angle, or pitch up. While that may sound good, the controls are then at odds to one another. The thrust vector is such that it is trying to pitch the nose of the aircraft up, while the stabs are trying to pitch it down. TK needs to allow thrust-pitch for the full range, and also to reverse the pitch-linking.

I know that you can extract the wav files from Janes F-18 & F-15 (using an app named "F18 Sound Manager"), though I'm not too sure about Fighter's Anthology. I've used some of the wingman voice files from Jane's F-15 in Strike Fighters, but since there's no provision for a GIB in this series (nor are there any sound events to link to one), I can't see how one would accomplish that. I had a bit of fun, though, replacing the "Target destroyed" voice file with "Boom, Boom, out go the lights!" Some of the sound effects from F-15 are worth using, as well. Especially the "SAM hit" sound, it is just badazz!

I'm glad you like it It simply represents my estimation as to what the original developer of the '25PD's flight model would probably have come up with, had he released it today. I have quite a few older flight models that I've gone through like that, but releasing most of them might be a bit too much.

Hey naysayers....here's what TK himself has to say on the subject. Read the second post on the supplied link...on second thought, don't tire yourself with excesssive mouse clicks, I'll post it for you: "The CGPosition= data under [AircraftData] in data.ini relates the cg position relative to the pivot axis position of the 3d model, and this shouldn't directly affect the flight model. Ie, if its set at 0,-2,0, that just means the cg of the aircraft is located at 2 meters forward of zero position set in the 3d .max model. The reason why the above CGPosition doesn't affect FM is becasue all coeffecients should be calculated off the cg of the aircraft. So no matter where you move the cg to relative to the model, FM, as entered, remain unaffected. The only place CGPosition= affect flight is when determining moment due to force (say from gunfire, bomb release, etc). All forces acting on the aircraft produce moment, and since coordinates are entered in 3d model coord, changing CGPosition= changes the offset arm and the resulting moment. " Source: http://bbs.thirdwire.com/phpBB/viewtopic.p...ight=cgposition Of course, if you disagree, you can always post on his site and tell him that he's wrong, but then again, what does he know? He only wrote the game code

This started out as a sort of "What If" gag, and well, the results speak for themselves: You be the judge: http://forum.combatace.com/index.php?autom...si&img=2775

Here you go, Mike. I penned up this environment mod to show off the F-22A in its "natural" element :

F-4PhantomII: Are you sure that you want to post an email address on an open forum? It's probably much safer to do so in your profile. Please edit it out before some spammer gets a hold of it.

Sure, not a problem. Just keep in mind that this data.ini is "unofficial", and that sounds and afterburner entries may point to unique files that I'm using in my personal install.

http://forum.combatace.com/index.php?autom...si&img=2778

Unfortunately, in my experience, that value is about as workable as the "bomb release sound" and "missile in flight sound" entries. I don't think TK has fully implemented it, yet.

Major Lee, That brings to mind a story that was told to me by a friend who was into Kendo. "A young Samurai was walking along a wooded path outside his village, when he encountered an old peasant, who was apparently so frail, that he was hobbling along with the aid of a bamboo staff. As the samurai approached, the old man failed to yield to him. The samurai became so incensed at the old man's seeming lack of respect, that he drew his katana, intending to put the foolish old timer in his place. Much to his surprise, the old man reacted with lighting-like reflexes, and easily deflected the samurai's sword with his bamboo staff. The young samurai decided to kill the old man, but found his each and every swing being expertly countered. Finally, the old man managed to disarm the samurai, and knocked him to the ground. The samurai realized that he had been disgraced, and asked the old man to finish him. Instead, the old man extended his hand to help the samurai get up. As he did so, the sleeve of his "peasant's tunic" rode up his arm, revealing a samurai's suit of armor beneath it. It turned out that the old man was himself a great samurai, one who delighted in teaching a lesson to impudent young men."

Are you farckin' serious? Have you been living in a cave? Do you know how many damned tutorials and posts there are on the subject? Column5, Charles, and Streakeagle (to name just a few) have posted rather extensively on this very subject here, and at Thirdwire. The results? Only a few have gotten involved. Get real. You cannot get more than a few of the people who play with this series to read the knowledge base or perform research. This is the results of less than 5 minutes work, using the search feature at TW: http://bbs.thirdwire.com/phpBB/viewtopic.p...=center+gravity http://bbs.thirdwire.com/phpBB/viewtopic.p...=center+gravity http://bbs.thirdwire.com/phpBB/viewtopic.p...=center+gravity http://bbs.thirdwire.com/phpBB/viewtopic.p...=center+gravity

It doesn't matter what it was or is set to in a particular model. I'm speaking in general. Too many people have approached me and made statements such as "well, the model felt nose heavy (pitch axis), so I set the center of gravity back and now it's OK." When they say something like that, I know that they're seriously full of crap, and I have no qualms about telling them so. What they're seeking can only be adjusted by changing the CL0 or CLA values of the wings and stabs (or in the case of a delta wing, the elevons). In essence, the interrelationship between the two surfaces is what determines pitch. To prove this to yourself, set the COG of the model to some ludicrous value. such as -6, and try starting on the ground. The model will probably stand on its tail and explode. Then with the same COG settings, start in the air and tell me with a straight face that you've noticed any difference between that and what the model was set to in the first place.

And now, an important message from one of our sponsers To all noobs and aspiring virtual aerodynamicists.... when someone mentions that flight characteristics are inaccurate or poor because of the model's COG (center of gravity) being off, they hopefully know enough not to start playing with this value, which is in the aircraft data section of the model's data.ini file: CGPosition=0.00,-1.00,0.00 For all intents and purposes, this value effects the model only when it sits on its landing gear, and has NO EFFECT WHATSOEVER on the model's flight dynamics. Anyone who tells you otherwise is sadly mistaken, and should not be listened to. Thank You...this has been a public service message from the Mod Mafia

Pride goeth before the fall.... A video of a scripted mission that I cooked up: Two Flankers go up against two Raptors....I was killed within a few seconds of entering the mission...I never saw it coming. Even under AI control, and with the heat signature set to a realistic "detectable" value, the Raptor model is extremely nasty. Video: http://forum.combatace.com/index.php?autom...si&img=2777