sophocles

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dtmdragon, now I see the problem.. when I jettison my fuel tanks I lose my pylons as well :( Could you send over(attach) a fake rocket pod so that I can experiment with it? Much obliged!!

Here are the entries from the data.ini // Weapon Stations -----------------------------------pylon weights from Flight Manual [LeftSidewinderStation] SystemType=WEAPON_STATION StationID=1 StationGroupID=1 StationType=EXTERNAL AttachmentPosition=-3.77,-0.28,-0.21 AttachmentAngles=0.0,-2.0,90.0 LoadLimit=200.0 AllowedWeaponClass=IRM,FT AttachmentType=NATO,USAF SpecificStationCode=HAF LaunchRailNodeName=Left_WingRail LaunchRailMass=22.23 FuelTankName=F5a_wingtip_left_tank FuelTankNodeName=wingtip_left_tank NoJettisionTank=TRUE [RightSidewinderStation] SystemType=WEAPON_STATION StationID=2 StationGroupID=1 StationType=EXTERNAL AttachmentPosition=3.77,-0.28,-0.21 AttachmentAngles=0.0,-2.0,-90.0 LoadLimit=200.0 AllowedWeaponClass=IRM,FT AttachmentType=NATO,USAF SpecificStationCode=HAF LaunchRailNodeName=Right_WingRail LaunchRailMass=22.23 FuelTankName=F5a_wingtip_left_tank FuelTankNodeName=wingtip_right_tank NoJettisionTank=TRUE [LeftWingStationOutboard] SystemType=WEAPON_STATION StationID=3 StationGroupID=2 StationType=EXTERNAL AttachmentPosition=-2.907,0.70,-0.653 AttachmentAngles=0.0,-0.75,0.0 DiameterLimit=0.490 LoadLimit=420.00 AllowedWeaponClass=BOMB,RP,CGR AttachmentType=NATO,USAF ModelNodeName=Left_Pylon_outer PylonMass=54.89 PylonDragArea=0.02 [RightWingStationOutboard] SystemType=WEAPON_STATION StationID=4 StationGroupID=2 StationType=EXTERNAL AttachmentPosition=2.907,0.70,-0.653 AttachmentAngles=0.0,-0.75,0.0 DiameterLimit=0.490 LoadLimit=420.00 AllowedWeaponClass=BOMB,RP,CGR AttachmentType=NATO,USAF ModelNodeName=Right_Pylon_outer PylonMass=54.89 PylonDragArea=0.02 [LeftWingStationInboard] SystemType=WEAPON_STATION StationID=5 StationGroupID=3 StationType=EXTERNAL AttachmentPosition=-2.154,0.395,-0.653 AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,0.0 DiameterLimit=0.490 LoadLimit=520.0 AllowedWeaponClass=BOMB,RP,FT,GP,CGR AttachmentType=NATO,USAF ModelNodeName=Left_Pylon_inner PylonMass=51.71 PylonDragArea=0.03 FuelTankName=F5a_FuelTank_150 FuelTankNodeName=FuelTank_150_UnderWing [RightWingStationInboard] SystemType=WEAPON_STATION StationID=6 StationGroupID=3 StationType=EXTERNAL AttachmentPosition=2.154,0.395,-0.653 AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,0.0 DiameterLimit=0.490 LoadLimit=520.00 AllowedWeaponClass=BOMB,RP,FT,GP,CGR AttachmentType=NATO,USAF ModelNodeName=Right_Pylon_inner PylonMass=51.71 PylonDragArea=0.03 FuelTankName=F5a_FuelTank_150 FuelTankNodeName=FuelTank_150_UnderWing [LeftWingStationInboardAltFT] SystemType=WEAPON_STATION StationID=7 StationGroupID=3 StationType=EXTERNAL AttachmentPosition=-2.154,0.395,-0.653 AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,0.0 DiameterLimit=0.490 LoadLimit=520.00 AllowedWeaponClass=FT, AttachmentType=NATO,USAF ModelNodeName=Left_Pylon_inner PylonMass=51.71 PylonDragArea=0.03 FuelTankName=F5a_FuelTank_SF150 FuelTankNodeName=FuelTank_SF150_UnderWing [RightWingStationInboardAltFT] SystemType=WEAPON_STATION StationID=8 StationGroupID=3 StationType=EXTERNAL AttachmentPosition=2.154,0.395,-0.653 AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,0.0 DiameterLimit=0.490 LoadLimit=520.00 AllowedWeaponClass=FT, AttachmentType=NATO,USAF ModelNodeName=Right_Pylon_inner PylonMass=51.71 PylonDragArea=0.03 FuelTankName=F5a_FuelTank_SF150 FuelTankNodeName=FuelTank_SF150_UnderWing [CenterlineStation] SystemType=WEAPON_STATION StationID=9 StationGroupID=4 StationType=EXTERNAL AttachmentPosition=0.0,2.462,-0.668 AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,0.0 LoadLimit=1000.00 AllowedWeaponClass=BOMB,FT,GP,NUC,RCN AttachmentType=NATO,USAF ModelNodeName=Pylon_center PylonMass=58.51 PylonDragArea=0.02 FuelTankName=F5a_FuelTank_150_Centre FuelTankNodeName=FuelTank_150_Centre [CenterlineStationAltFT] SystemType=WEAPON_STATION StationID=10 StationGroupID=4 StationType=EXTERNAL AttachmentPosition=0.0,2.462,-0.668 AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,0.0 LoadLimit=1000.00 AllowedWeaponClass=FT AttachmentType=NATO,USAF ModelNodeName=Pylon_center PylonMass=58.51 PylonDragArea=0.02 FuelTankName=F5a_FuelTank_SF150_Centre FuelTankNodeName=FuelTank_SF150_Centre [Fuel_probe] SystemType=WEAPON_STATION StationID=11 StationGroupID=5 StationType=EXTERNAL AttachmentPosition=1.4, 3.54, 0.22 AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0, 0.0 LoadLimit=50 AllowedWeaponClass=FT AttachmentType=USAF ModelNodeName= PylonMass=0.00 PylonDragArea=0.001 LaunchRailNodeName= MinExtentPosition= MaxExtentPosition= FuelTankNodeName=Refueling_pipe_1 FuelTankName=F-5C_Fuel_Probe NoJettisionTank=TRUE [LeftPylonInner] SystemType=WEAPON_STATION StationID=12 StationGroupID=7 StationType=EXTERNAL AttachmentPosition=-3.25,0.30,-0.85 AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,0.0 LoadLimit=520.00 DiameterLimit=0.5 AllowedWeaponClass=FT SpecificStationCode=Pylon ModelNodeName= PylonMass=0 PylonDragArea=0 FuelTankName=BombPylon FuelTankNodeName=Left_Pylon_inner NoJettisionTank=FALSE [RightPylonInner] SystemType=WEAPON_STATION StationID=13 StationGroupID=7 StationType=EXTERNAL AttachmentPosition=3.25,0.30,-0.85 AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,0.0 LoadLimit=520.00 DiameterLimit=0.5 AllowedWeaponClass=FT SpecificStationCode=Pylon ModelNodeName= PylonMass=0 PylonDragArea=0 FuelTankName=BombPylon FuelTankNodeName=Right_Pylon_inner NoJettisionTank=FALSE [LeftPylonOuter] SystemType=WEAPON_STATION StationID=14 StationGroupID=8 StationType=EXTERNAL AttachmentPosition=-3.25,0.30,-0.85 AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,0.0 LoadLimit=520.00 DiameterLimit=0.5 AllowedWeaponClass=FT SpecificStationCode=Pylon ModelNodeName= PylonMass=0 PylonDragArea=0 FuelTankName=BombPylon FuelTankNodeName=Left_Pylon_outer NoJettisionTank=FALSE [RightPylonOuter] SystemType=WEAPON_STATION StationID=15 StationGroupID=8 StationType=EXTERNAL AttachmentPosition=3.25,0.30,-0.85 AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,0.0 LoadLimit=520.00 DiameterLimit=0.5 AllowedWeaponClass=FT SpecificStationCode=Pylon ModelNodeName= PylonMass=0 PylonDragArea=0 FuelTankName=BombPylon FuelTankNodeName=Right_Pylon_outer NoJettisionTank=FALSE [CenterlineStationPylon] SystemType=WEAPON_STATION StationID=16 StationGroupID=7 StationType=EXTERNAL AttachmentPosition=3.25,0.30,-0.85 AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,0.0 LoadLimit=1000.00 DiameterLimit=0.5 AllowedWeaponClass=FT SpecificStationCode=Pylon ModelNodeName= PylonMass=0 PylonDragArea=0 FuelTankName=BombPylon FuelTankNodeName=Pylon_center NoJettisionTank=FALSE and here are the entries from the loadout.ini.. //.............Loadout for F-5C Skoshi Tiger, Ver 1.0 by Sophocles // Station 1 = Left Wingtip Station // Station 2 = Right Wingtip Station // Station 3 = Left Wing Station Outboard // Station 4 = Right Wing Station Outboard // Station 5 = Left Wing Station Inboard // Station 6 = Right Wing Station Inboard // Station 7 = Left Inboard Station Alt FT // Station 8 = Right Inboard Station Alt FT // Station 9 = Centerline Fuselage Station // Station 10 = Centerline Alternative Fuel Tank // Station 11 = Refueling Probe // Station 12 = Jettisonable Left Wing Pylon Inboard // Station 13 = Jettisonable Right Wing Pylon Inboard // Station 14 = Jettisonable Left Wing Pylon Outboard // Station 15 = Jettisonable Right Wing Pylon Outboard // Station 16 = Jettisonable Centerline Pylon [AirToAir] Loadout[01].WeaponType=AIM-9B Loadout[01].Quantity=1 Loadout[02].WeaponType=AIM-9B Loadout[02].Quantity=1 Loadout[09].WeaponType=F5a_FuelTank_150_Centre Loadout[09].Quantity=1 Loadout[12].WeaponType=BombPylon Loadout[12].Quantity=1 Loadout[13].WeaponType=BombPylon Loadout[13].Quantity=1 Loadout[14].WeaponType=BombPylon Loadout[14].Quantity=1 Loadout[15].WeaponType=BombPylon Loadout[15].Quantity=1 Loadout[16].WeaponType=BombPylon Loadout[16].Quantity=1 [AirToAirLongRange] Loadout[01].WeaponType=AIM-9B Loadout[01].Quantity=1 Loadout[02].WeaponType=AIM-9B Loadout[02].Quantity=1 Loadout[07].WeaponType=F5a_FuelTank_SF150 Loadout[07].Quantity=1 Loadout[08].WeaponType=F5a_FuelTank_SF150 Loadout[08].Quantity=1 Loadout[10].WeaponType=F5a_FuelTank_SF150_Centre Loadout[10].Quantity=1 Loadout[12].WeaponType=BombPylon Loadout[12].Quantity=1 Loadout[13].WeaponType=BombPylon Loadout[13].Quantity=1 Loadout[14].WeaponType=BombPylon Loadout[14].Quantity=1 Loadout[15].WeaponType=BombPylon Loadout[15].Quantity=1 Loadout[16].WeaponType=BombPylon Loadout[16].Quantity=1 [Attack] Loadout[01].WeaponType=F5a_wingtip_left_tank Loadout[01].Quantity=1 Loadout[02].WeaponType=F5a_wingtip_left_tank Loadout[02].Quantity=1 Loadout[03].WeaponType=LAU-3A_Mk40_Mk1 Loadout[03].Quantity=1 Loadout[04].WeaponType=LAU-3A_Mk40_Mk1 Loadout[04].Quantity=1 Loadout[05].WeaponType=MK82 Loadout[05].Quantity=1 Loadout[06].WeaponType=MK82 Loadout[06].Quantity=1 Loadout[09].WeaponType=F5a_FuelTank_150_Centre Loadout[09].Quantity=1 Loadout[12].WeaponType=BombPylon Loadout[12].Quantity=1 Loadout[13].WeaponType=BombPylon Loadout[13].Quantity=1 Loadout[14].WeaponType=BombPylon Loadout[14].Quantity=1 Loadout[15].WeaponType=BombPylon Loadout[15].Quantity=1 Loadout[16].WeaponType=BombPylon Loadout[16].Quantity=1 In bold are the "hidden" entries (fake pylons) that nonetheless appear in-game as they should. Sophocles

Eureka!!!!!!!!!!!! It dawned on me that the StationGroupID limit of six was not for the game itself but only for the weapon stations that would be "visible" in the armaments selection screen. So what i did was use the StationGroupIDs till number 8 in the data.ini as I had done it originally, but have included the "hidden" entries ID 7 through 8 ( StationIDs 12 through 16) for all the mission types in the loadout.ini! So it appears that 2 birds have been killed with one stone; ..one, the user doesn't have to mess around the arming screen manually adding the "jetisonable" pylons, and two, in-game ctrl-j jettisons both the stores and pylons.. as in the real F-5C!!! Thanks a lot for all your ideas gentlemen!!

Guys I almost had it. I used dtmdragons idea to set up the pylons as Fuel tanks and everything was working fine untill I went beyond the "magic" number of only 6 StationGroupIDs available .. Is there any way to get around this 6 number for StationGroupIDs? I happened across this in one of my forum searches by Wrench.. "..yes, you can have a 7th station, if you want something permantently loaded. Can't remember what plane we used it on, but it did work iirc.." Can anyone help? One idea I've had is the refueling probe; does anyone know If it can be attached in a way other than setting it up as a weapon (I'd save a stationgroupid right there)???? However I liked the fact that the game user could select it in the weapons option menu and not have to fly with it on always.. Really appreciate any help!!!!

I have no idea; anyone know?? The caption for the photo says "..and a friendly "zap" bulldog from a Marine attack squadron adorn the F-5 flown by Challen "Choni" Irvine.." What is meant by the word "zap"?

That's interesting; would the pylons retain their regular pylon abilities (carrying ordnance)? I'd really need some more details dtmdragon; could you provide some of the code that would make this possible? Thanks much!!

..that's better! Thanks Nyghtfall

Actually Nyghtfall you're quite right! VMA Bulldogs was 223 .. looks like there's some editing to be done in someone's future..

Hello Gentlemen, I've been having fun researching the Skoshi Tiger programme and have tracked down most of the pilots in the "provisional" 4503rd Tactical Fighter Squadron- and have assigned their names as decals on the aircraft.. and have also added decals for some "outliers" including this particular aircraft which "borrowed" nose art from a marines Skyhawk aquadron! Not long to go now; would've been great to add a little more authentic capability to the F-5C, like the ability to jettison all weapon pylons; but this just isn't possible in game. I've got the documentation left to do now and it should be ready soon ..

..and the VNAF represented too .. 522nd Fighter Squadron 1967..

Hopefully I can find time to finish these off by the end of summer..

I second this wholeheartedly .. shadows in the cockpit would be a dream come true!!! Glad to see you posting again Stary

Nam, 1966..

I just received this gem from ravenclaw_007 .. " ..about the replaced displacement gyros in the F-5C , it does not mean that the ADI in the cockpit was replaced it is just the gyros in the avionics bay ( a black box ) what makes me more curious is what extra formation lights where added to the aircraft and are this lights now standard to all F-5A i know from experience by starting up my CH-53 that sometimes the ADI does not come up and is hanging to a side , that does not mean that the instrument is broken it is more likely that the displacement gyro in the avionics bay is hanging and has to be replaced , happens some time.." the mystery deepens! LOL

Hello Streakeagle. I had read the post some time ago. The photo is of the CF-5a cockpit (which is a wildly different animal). Although it is true that many of the reccomendations of the Skoshi program were implemented into the NF-5a(and CF-5a), no evidence exists that the cockpit of the F-5A and C differed. The only difference is the twin gyro (which may or may not have necessitated different instruments in the cockpit. The answer to this question would be key to solving the issue.

Unfortunately, though repeated in many sources, this piece of information is actually false. the F-5 didn't get a lead computing gunsight till the F-5E model (though the NF-5a and the CF-5a had quite complex gyro/not radar based lead computing capability) everything else however is accurate. (see below)

Yakarov79, that would be nice.

Thanks gentlemen. I thought as much, as I don't believe I've come across a plane in Strike fighters that can do this. Oh well, scratch one "feature"..

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Ok Gents, fuel probe is now selectable; what about the pylons? Is it possible to be able to jettison these as well (as we can do to drop tanks)? The F-5C, unlike the F-5a, had the ability to be able to eject all 5 weapon pylons in an emergency.. would love to be able to achieve this! Thanks in advance! Sophocles

Bloody Brilliant! thanks a lot Guuruu!!!

Excellent! That should be easy enough to do; thankyou Svetlin!